Is jaw widening worth it if you're getting implants anyway?

[longjohnmong]

Is it worth it to pay the extra thousands for custom cutting guides and plates to get a wider jaw if you're just going to get jaw implants afterwards anyway?

 

[Skywalker]

yes, always
what do you mean by this
" extra thousands for custom cutting guides and plates to get a wider jaw" ?
can i DM?

 

[longjohnmong]

yes, always
what do you mean by this
" extra thousands for custom cutting guides and plates to get a wider jaw" ?

Ramieri charges several thousand dollars over his normal bimax price to use custom cutting guides and plates to the secure the jaw afterwards, which are necessary for jaw widening.

can i DM?

You may.

 

[Deleted member 16220]

No it's not.

Doesn't lower the ramus and doesn't flare the gonions just makes the entire thing flat and wider.

Implants mog big-time.

 

[longjohnmong]

No it's not.

Doesn't lower the ramus and doesn't flare the gonions just makes the entire thing flat and wider.

Implants mog big-time.

Yeah, but it could help home in on the perfect implant size/shape.

 

[Deleted member 16220]

Yeah, but it could help home in on the perfect implant size/shape.

No it would actually fuck a lot of shit up.

Widens the middle of the ramus where you want that to remain narrow. Aesthetic jaws are narrow at the mid mandible and flared at the gonions.

There's literally no reason to do both. Implant is better in every way. The jaw widening is just a BSSO so you'll also have plates in the way of the implant, on top of that the BSSO can revert slightly or on both sides or one side only.

Choose jaw widening or implant. That's like getting a chin implant and a genio together. Just fucking choose one.

 

[Foreverbrad]

No it would actually fuck a lot of shit up.

Widens the middle of the ramus where you want that to remain narrow. Aesthetic jaws are narrow at the mid mandible and flared at the gonions.

There's literally no reason to do both. Implant is better in every way. The jaw widening is just a BSSO so you'll also have plates in the way of the implant, on top of that the BSSO can revert slightly or on both sides or one side only.

Choose jaw widening or implant. That's like getting a chin implant and a genio together. Just fucking choose one.

How about jaw widening + fillers for gonion flare?

I’ve read bad things about jaw implant complications (masseter detachment seems a common occurrence).

 

[brock]

No it would actually fuck a lot of shit up.

Widens the middle of the ramus where you want that to remain narrow. Aesthetic jaws are narrow at the mid mandible and flared at the gonions.

There's literally no reason to do both. Implant is better in every way. The jaw widening is just a BSSO so you'll also have plates in the way of the implant, on top of that the BSSO can revert slightly or on both sides or one side only.

Choose jaw widening or implant. That's like getting a chin implant and a genio together. Just fucking choose one.

Shit, I was planning on getting widening first and then implants if I need them. Pagnoni throws in the widening for free.

I almost certainly need implants though, should I really skip widening?

 

[Deleted member 16220]

How about jaw widening + fillers for gonion flare?

I’ve read bad things about jaw implant complications (masseter detachment seems a common occurrence).

Jaw widening and fillers could work.

None of these are ideal in any way though.

The jaw widening can relapse and it doesn't lower the ramus, and you really want flared gonions NOT wider mid ramus which is what the widening does.

Fillers are shit in my opinion I would never do them. They migrate and it's not actual bone it's just sort of bloating up the soft tissue. Wouldn't do it personally but it's an option.

Implants are the best route in every way aesthetically, but yes, you can get masseter dishenance which is rather brutal.

You don't realize though it's not just about the gonions being outward, you actually want the mid ramus to be INWARD. You can achieve a result with implants that isn't even possible naturally and mogs it.

 

[Deleted member 2816]

Jaw widening and fillers could work.

None of these are ideal in any way though.

The jaw widening can relapse and it doesn't lower the ramus, and you really want flared gonions NOT wider mid ramus which is what the widening does.

Fillers are shit in my opinion I would never do them. They migrate and it's not actual bone it's just sort of bloating up the soft tissue. Wouldn't do it personally but it's an option.

Implants are the best route in every way aesthetically, but yes, you can get masseter dishenance which is rather brutal.

You don't realize though it's not just about the gonions being outward, you actually want the mid ramus to be INWARD. You can achieve a result with implants that isn't even possible naturally and mogs it.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. The widening does flare out the gonions - thats precisely the area of the jaw that gets the biggest net movement when widening because the moment of movement is at the bottom of the ramus.

I also don’t know why you’re encouraging implants. Its gigafrauding will always look uncanny and it is literal plastic in your face. In the long term it will never be the ideal solution idc.

 

[Deleted member 28990]

You don’t know what you’re talking about. The widening does flare out the gonions - thats precisely the area of the jaw that gets the biggest net movement when widening because the moment of movement is at the bottom of the ramus.

I also don’t know why you’re encouraging implants. Its gigafrauding will always look uncanny and it is literal plastic in your face. In the long term it will never be the ideal solution idc.

yea i though jaw widening was done at the gonions

 

[longjohnmong]

Jaw widening and fillers could work.

You don't realize though it's not just about the gonions being outward, you actually want the mid ramus to be INWARD. You can achieve a result with implants that isn't even possible naturally and mogs it.

I feel like you're talking about achieving some idealized PSL jaw. I just want a decent not shit tier jaw that looks natural. I think jaw widening may give the appearance of a lowered ramus because right now it looks like my gonia (kneel before my ability to pluralize latin words) are 3/4" higher than where they actually are because my jaw is so narrow that they don't even show.

The jaw widening is just a BSSO so you'll also have plates in the way of the implant

But this will be true whether you have widening or not, so if you're having bimax it's not really any more of a concern. Plenty of people have bimax and then jaw implants.

 

[longjohnmong]

Its gigafrauding will always look uncanny and it is literal plastic in your face. In the long term it will never be the ideal solution idc.

All that matters is the appearance. What real difference does it make whether it's plastic or frauding?

 

[Deleted member 2816]

All that matters is the appearance. What real difference does it make whether it's plastic or frauding?

It does matter, you will least feel insecure

 

[longjohnmong]

It does matter, you will least feel insecure

I have a chin implant. I feel way less insecure about it than I did about my giga recessed chin.

 

[Realism]

I have a chin implant. I feel way less insecure about it than I did about my giga recessed chin.

Why didn't you fix the underlying issue instead of masking it?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Jaw widening if your gonion shape is good and your ramus is long.
Implants if you lack both.

Getting both an implant and the widening is probably retarded

 

[politically correct]

Is it worth it to pay the extra thousands for custom cutting guides and plates to get a wider jaw if you're just going to get jaw implants afterwards anyway?

A few things:
means you can get away with smaller implants which means
1) look more natural
2) less chance of masseter dihescence / implant reveal

Is it going to produce that crazy flared gonion look that custom implants that are well designed can give, no

speaking as someone who had jaw widening with Dr Ramieri

 

[Matthias8272]

So was the answer to your question it's not worth it if since you didn't use custom plates for your bimax?

I see some people talk about it being good and some saying it's very subtle

 

[longjohnmong]

So was the answer to your question it's not worth it if since you didn't use custom plates for your bimax?

I see some people talk about it being good and some saying it's very subtle

I think if you're already wanting implants then it's probably too subtle. But that's just sorta what I've gathered from not too much information.

 

[goatedjordan23]

A few things:
means you can get away with smaller implants which means
1) look more natural
2) less chance of masseter dihescence / implant reveal

Is it going to produce that crazy flared gonion look that custom implants that are well designed can give, no

speaking as someone who had jaw widening with Dr Ramieri

Should I get both?