Is my case hopeless? Doing mewing + retainers + posture. Planning MARPE next year. Need advice.

[VelvetAscension]

Hi everyone, I'm 16 and currently doing mewing seriously every day.
I also sleep with retainers that were given to me after braces — they help maintain my bite, but I’m wondering if they’re limiting my jaw from moving naturally forward.

I’ve noticed that my lower jaw is slightly recessed, and I don’t see much improvement from mewing alone.
Next summer, I’m planning to get MARPE because my upper jaw is narrow, and the orthodontist said it could help expand my midface.
They also mentioned that my TMJ might be slightly misaligned and that the right side of my face could look more balanced after correction.

I’m just not sure if:
– The retainers are holding back natural progress
– MARPE alone can help the mandible "unlock" forward
– Or if I’ll need surgical help later (like BSSO)

Any advice from people with similar experiences or who did MARPE or BSSO?
I’d love to hear what worked and what didn’t.

Thanks in advance (I'm ready for the worst)

 

[opfere]

you're too old for mewing to have a real impact alone. its more for young faces to maintain the structure they had as a baby. the damage is done already and your tongue alone is not enough force anymore to separate the sutures in the upper palate and widen it / push it upward. however its a good lifetime habit and you should be doing it 24/7 anyway for health reasons and to prevent any downward growth in future

 

[VelvetAscension]

you're too old for mewing to have a real impact alone. its more for young faces to maintain the structure they had as a baby. the damage is done already and your tongue alone is not enough force anymore to separate the sutures in the upper palate and widen it / push it upward. however its a good lifetime habit and you should be doing it 24/7 anyway for health reasons and to prevent any downward growth in future

 

[VelvetAscension]

Thanks, man. Yeah, I get that mewing won’t change bone much at this age, but I’m still doing it daily for health and stability.





Do you think BSSO is the only real option for visible jaw projection in my case?


Also, would MARPE possibly give any improvement to facial structure on its own?

 

[opfere]

Thanks, man. Yeah, I get that mewing won’t change bone much at this age, but I’m still doing it daily for health and stability.





Do you think BSSO is the only real option for visible jaw projection in my case?


Also, would MARPE possibly give any improvement to facial structure on its own?

of course BSSO would work however its up to you whether you want to go that route and I wouldn't until you're at least 18-19 and done growing.

MARPE would help but in your case it's not really the maxilla that needs expanding as it needs to be harmonious with the mandible. also the hyoid needs raising too.

but you're not in an awful situation. if you wanted to softmaxx I can recommend contacts for first.. as well as a sharper haircut which will make the jaw stand out more possibly a fade which would give the illusion of a longer ramus

 

[opfere]

of course BSSO would work however its up to you whether you want to go that route and I wouldn't until you're at least 18-19 and done growing.

MARPE would help but in your case it's not really the maxilla that needs expanding as it needs to be harmonious with the mandible. also the hyoid needs raising too.

but you're not in an awful situation. if you wanted to softmaxx I can recommend contacts for first.. as well as a sharper haircut which will make the jaw stand out more possibly a fade which would give the illusion of a longer ramus

also it seems like you have some skin issues. I had the same up until I turned 18 so im confident it'll surpass soon maybe try and get sunlight more. take things like beta carotene, astaxanthin and lycopene to improve your colouring which will mask the spots

 

[BWC]

Hi everyone, I'm 16 and currently doing mewing seriously every day.
I also sleep with retainers that were given to me after braces — they help maintain my bite, but I’m wondering if they’re limiting my jaw from moving naturally forward.

I’ve noticed that my lower jaw is slightly recessed, and I don’t see much improvement from mewing alone.
Next summer, I’m planning to get MARPE because my upper jaw is narrow, and the orthodontist said it could help expand my midface.
They also mentioned that my TMJ might be slightly misaligned and that the right side of my face could look more balanced after correction.

I’m just not sure if:
– The retainers are holding back natural progress
– MARPE alone can help the mandible "unlock" forward
– Or if I’ll need surgical help later (like BSSO)

Any advice from people with similar experiences or who did MARPE or BSSO?
I’d love to hear what worked and what didn’t.

Thanks in advance (I'm ready for the worst)

Good luck in your journey MC Lovin

 

[ideka]

Hi everyone, I'm 16 and currently doing mewing seriously every day.
I also sleep with retainers that were given to me after braces — they help maintain my bite, but I’m wondering if they’re limiting my jaw from moving naturally forward.

I’ve noticed that my lower jaw is slightly recessed, and I don’t see much improvement from mewing alone.
Next summer, I’m planning to get MARPE because my upper jaw is narrow, and the orthodontist said it could help expand my midface.
They also mentioned that my TMJ might be slightly misaligned and that the right side of my face could look more balanced after correction.

I’m just not sure if:
– The retainers are holding back natural progress
– MARPE alone can help the mandible "unlock" forward
– Or if I’ll need surgical help later (like BSSO)

Any advice from people with similar experiences or who did MARPE or BSSO?
I’d love to hear what worked and what didn’t.

Thanks in advance (I'm ready for the worst)

What did you tell your dentist/ortho to get MARPE? Literally anything could help, I wanna get it too, but I dont know anything about this topic and how to explain, that I need MARPE to a normal 40 yo dentist. If you know some reasons, that could convince the dentist, if they dont mention it by their own then please tell me

 

[ideka]

What did you tell your dentist/ortho to get MARPE? Literally anything could help, I wanna get it too, but I dont know anything about this topic and how to explain, that I need MARPE to a normal 40 yo dentist. If you know some reasons, that could convince the dentist, if they dont mention it by their own then please tell me

Also if you have any tips for MSE I would be glad to hear too. I got a narrow palate, maybe could say „I cant mew“ in more formal language or that my palate is WAY too narrow, but I am also missing some teeth because of genetic. Or say that the airway is too narrow too.

 

[Zyujika]

Thanks, man. Yeah, I get that mewing won’t change bone much at this age, but I’m still doing it daily for health and stability.





Do you think BSSO is the only real option for visible jaw projection in my case?


Also, would MARPE possibly give any improvement to facial structure on its own?

If you're doing bsso get trimax or bimax if its too expensive and marpe will definitely help your growth but I doubt its worth bc it'll make you even more downward grown

 

[VelvetAscension]

What did you tell your dentist/ortho to get MARPE? Literally anything could help, I wanna get it too, but I dont know anything about this topic and how to explain, that I need MARPE to a normal 40 yo dentist. If you know some reasons, that could convince the dentist, if they dont mention it by their own then please tell me

I showed the doctor a photo as an example of the jaw shape I’m aiming for, mentioning I want to improve the aesthetics and harmony of my profile. After doing a CT scan, the doctor said MARPE/MSE is suitable for expanding the upper jaw. For significant changes to the lower jaw, a more involved procedure like BSSO might be necessary, but overall she understood that I’m aiming for an aesthetic improvement.

 

[lurking truecel]

Jaw surgery and mse(not really a good lookmax) is the thing that does something here. All else is cope

 

[ideka]

I showed the doctor a photo as an example of the jaw shape I’m aiming for, mentioning I want to improve the aesthetics and harmony of my profile. After doing a CT scan, the doctor said MARPE/MSE is suitable for expanding the upper jaw. For significant changes to the lower jaw, a more involved procedure like BSSO might be necessary, but overall she understood that I’m aiming for an aesthetic improvement.

Can you send me the photo?
My lower jaw is easily my best feature, so I only need alignment, if even that is needed.
Is marpe or mse only width or forward growth too?
In which country do you live and how much do you need to pay?
Thanks for answering my previous question btw