Is Pagnoni the best for implants?

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Im most likely going to Ramieri for trimax, but after that i would maybe go for implants if I want to improve even more. Is Pagnoni the best for that? Are his designs good or are RSM designs better? Ive seen some bad bimax results from Pagnoni but his implants seem to be well talked about in this forum, they seem good. Im debating between him or RSM. Or maybe i can do both, RSM designs the implants and Pagnoni places them.
 
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He's the best that we know of. He works with two implant designers, one of them being giant/RSM.
 
RSM from what I know is the designer, then you choose which surgeon can place them and the material he uses.

I am gonna go with pagnoni all-in, so we will see. From what I’ve seen, his work and B/A was more impressive and consistent than eppley's yaremchuck's and ramieri's regarding implants.

Also Ramieri does not offer saddle with Infras, which is something I want. Though, if you want to do bone, he can be a good option too, I think.
 
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RSM from what I know is the designer, then you choose which surgeon can place them and the material he uses.

I am gonna go with pagnoni all-in, so we will see. From what I’ve seen, his work and B/A was more impressive and consistent than eppley's yaremchuck's and ramieri's regarding implants.

Also Ramieri does not offer saddle with Infras, which is something I want. Though, if you want to do bone, he can be a good option too, I think.
Do you know why Ramieri does not do this? He seems like an honest guy ngl.
 
RSM from what I know is the designer, then you choose which surgeon can place them and the material he uses.

I am gonna go with pagnoni all-in, so we will see. From what I’ve seen, his work and B/A was more impressive and consistent than eppley's yaremchuck's and ramieri's regarding implants.

Also Ramieri does not offer saddle with Infras, which is something I want. Though, if you want to do bone, he can be a good option too, I think.
I sent you a pm
 
is it really tho? I haven't heard of other experts opinions about it
The only risk I can think of is putting pressure on the eye and distorting the shape of the lens causing blurry vision. But that should easily be fixed by removing the implant
 
The only risk I can think of is putting pressure on the eye and distorting the shape of the lens causing blurry vision. But that should easily be fixed by removing the implant
So the blurry vision would be permanent?
 
So the blurry vision would be permanent?
No it would be for as long as you have the implant in. I can’t think of any other risks that saddled ones have that normal don’t.
 
No it would be for as long as you have the implant in. I can’t think of any other risks that saddled ones have that normal don’t.
Ohh and is it possible to replace the implant and not have blurry vision? Because i dont see a point on having it if your just gonna remove it after
 
Ohh and is it possible to replace the implant and not have blurry vision? Because i dont see a point on having it if your just gonna remove it after
I’d imagine you could replace it with an implant that has a smaller saddle if it’s causing problems.
 
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Yes. I got implants from him.
 
So the blurry vision would be permanent?
I probably should have asked Pagnoni about the safety of his implant placements during the consultation. It didn't even cross my mind then, since I was so determined.
 
But I have another consultation with Ramieri coming up, so maybe I'll ask him why he doesn't do what Pagnoni claims he can do.
 
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But I have another consultation with Ramieri coming up, so maybe I'll ask him why he doesn't do what Pagnoni claims he can do.

Why you’re doing this? One surgeon operates in a way, meanwhile the other operates in another way.

That’s disrespectful to talk about other surgeons work
 
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Why you’re doing this? One surgeon operates in a way, meanwhile the other operates in another way.

That’s disrespectful to talk about other surgeons work

Because Ramieri seems like an honest guy, and I'm curious to know what he thinks the safety concerns are? I doubt he would feel disrespected to explain this to me.
 
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Because Ramieri seems like an honest guy, and I'm curious to know what he thinks the safety concerns are? I doubt he would feel disrespected to explain this to me.

Do it at your own risk. Getting rejected by a surgeon is not good
 
Do it at your own risk. Getting rejected by a surgeon is not good
Okay. There are probably hundreds, if not thousands, of decent surgeons. Getting "rejected" by a few of them doesn't really mean all that much to me.
 
objectively raffaini is the best but he won't listen to you
 
objectively raffaini is the best but he won't listen to you
Better than Pagnoni for implants? I thought he was only good for bimax. Either way he seems like a decent choice
 
Better than Pagnoni for implants? I thought he was only good for bimax. Either way he seems like a decent choice
idk about pagnoni, theres almost no info about him on the internet
 
idk about pagnoni, theres almost no info about him on the internet
Yeah he is pushed a lot in this forum, its a bit sketchy. But ive heard he had some good results. I will maybe book a consultation with him for implants
 
Update me on his answer, if you asked ofc
He basically said that the implant designs by giant.implants involve opening up your entire face, and that he could safely do something like that but generally he feels it's unnecessary.
 
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^ He only mentioned the "infra/supra" implants done by him though. And he also mentioned giant implants by name, without me having to say it. So he's probably aware of these forums to some extent.
 
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^ He only mentioned the "infra/supra" implants done by him though. And he also mentioned giant implants by name, without me having to say it. So he's probably aware of these forums to some extent.
i see. What type of implants does Ramieri do? What are your impressions on him so far? I think Ramieri is the safest option out there tbh although hes a bit conservative with advancements(from what ive read in this forum)
 
i see. What type of implants does Ramieri do? What are your impressions on him so far? I think Ramieri is the safest option out there tbh although hes a bit conservative with advancements(from what ive read in this forum)
Ramieri is a very chill guy. Very positive outlook on life. He seems very honest, and not motivated by money. I was insistent on paying him again for a second consultation, but he refused.

I'm not sure what other implants he does, but I know he does various jaw related implants.
 
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i see. What type of implants does Ramieri do? What are your impressions on him so far? I think Ramieri is the safest option out there tbh although hes a bit conservative with advancements(from what ive read in this forum)
I think he's the safest bet that I've seen so far, especially if you live in the U.S, and want to save on out of pocket costs. I asked if he takes an initial deposit, and he said not until a few months before surgery. Which means prices can and probably will go up between the time you start orthodontics and the time you're ready for surgery, so you should be prepared in advance for that.
 
I think he's the safest bet that I've seen so far, especially if you live in the U.S, and want to save on out of pocket costs. I asked if he takes an initial deposit, and he said not until a few months before surgery. Which means prices can and probably will go up between the time you start orthodontics and the time you're ready for surgery, so you should be prepared in advance for that.
Does he always do orthodontic work prior to surgery? I already had invisalign so im not sure if i would need it but sometimes they “decompensate” the bite but surgery. Has he shown you other results (before after) during the online consultation with him?
 
Does he always do orthodontic work prior to surgery? I already had invisalign so im not sure if i would need it but sometimes they “decompensate” the bite but surgery. Has he shown you other results (before after) during the online consultation with him?
You should just consult with him and ask if orthodontics are necessary in your case. I didn't ask for his results bc there are plenty on his ig and I've heard his name around here since 2018.
 
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You should just consult with him and ask if orthodontics are necessary in your case. I didn't ask for his results bc there are plenty on his ig and I've heard his name around here since 2018.
Alright then, good luck on your surgery bro
 
He basically said that the implant designs by giant.implants involve opening up your entire face, and that he could safely do something like that but generally he feels it's unnecessary.
ye this makes sense. i always wondered how pagnoni inserts and places infra implants considering that there’s hardly any vision of the orbital area when doing intra oral placements

guessing he opens the face similar to how surgeons do during trimaxes. pretty brutal but i’ve never heard of any horror stories so
 
ye this makes sense. i always wondered how pagnoni inserts and places infra implants considering that there’s hardly any vision of the orbital area when doing intra oral placements

guessing he opens the face similar to how surgeons do during trimaxes. pretty brutal but i’ve never heard of any horror stories so
If I remember correctly he said he never does transconjunctival approach- only intraoral for all cases. But custom implants warp more easily to the skull structure due to the custom design process so it may not be as necessary to fully visualize the placement. Then again, idk how he manages to avoid the infraorbital nerve-iirc he said he just designs around it.
 
Stay away from Safi at all costs.

He is a master manipulator who is amazing at gaining your trust during the consultation. He will make you feel relaxed as if your in good hands but will ruin you on the operating table. He invests all his energy into convincing people to get surgery with him and preys on the naive. He will leave you with a poor aesthetic result and severe nerve damage. I have seen it first hand.

He messed up my friend badly. Safi left him with a terrible aesthetic result and a numb tongue. He now speaks with a lisp and can't taste anymore. My friend looks way worse than before surgery and hasn't left the house since. His social life has been ruined as his career. Safi also didn't want to release the surgical report or the post operative cbct scan. He was forced to after a lawyers intervention.

Two of Safis patients also reached out complaining about a terrible aesthetic result and nerve damage.

I suggest these three surgeons:

- For jaw surgery alone: Raffaini.
Raffaini is the #1 for jaw surgery in the world. He will analyse your case like no other surgeon. He also has the skill to influence your soft tissue which will leave you with the best aesthetic result. Raffaini is #1 no doubt.

- For jaw surgery combined with implants or implants alone, I suggest Pagnoni.
You don't need Giant Implants, Pagnoni himself is a great implant designer.

I suggest consulting with Raffaini. Pay the 500 Euros for the consult. Get the plan with the movements from Raffaini then go to Pagnoni and request those movements if you want to combine the jaw surgery with implants.

Ramieri is a safe middle ground option as well.

Whatever you do, stay away from Ali-Farid Safi.

Safi has ruined my friend. He drilled into his lingual nerves during the bimax which caused the numb tongue. This has been proven with a 3 tesla MRI scan.
Safis little implant company FaceXImplants is a scam. It's his own company and he has his brother in law as the implant designer who has no experience whatsoever.

Safi preys on the naive.
He can spot a naive person from the first second you open your mouth and then only sees dollar signs.
I've heard too many horror stories about Safi, from his patients to people who have worked for him. I've spoken to several Swiss surgeons who have had to fix his failed bimaxes.
Stay away from this scam artist surgeon whatever you do.

You have Raffaini, Pagnoni, Ramieri.
These three surgeons will give you an amazing aesthetic result... Look no further
 
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RSM from what I know is the designer, then you choose which surgeon can place them and the material he uses.

I am gonna go with pagnoni all-in, so we will see. From what I’ve seen, his work and B/A was more impressive and consistent than eppley's yaremchuck's and ramieri's regarding implants.

Also Ramieri does not offer saddle with Infras, which is something I want. Though, if you want to do bone, he can be a good option too, I think.
have you seen alot of ramieri and pagnoni implant results? From consultations?
 

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