Is smoking healthier than meat eating? How many cigarettes a day is the breakpoint ?

[Crusile]

We know meat is toxic. but how toxic vs cigarettes?

 

[Deleted member 16515]

smoking is worse

 

[Deleted member 16515]

eating meat isn't toxic

 

[Crusile]

smoking is worse

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0244007
risk = 1.13 and 1.51
35% increase in CVD death rate is insane. 25 % of all deaths are heart attacks

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[Sir Galachad]

We know meat is toxic. but how toxic vs cigarettes?

What are you even talking about? Meat is generally healthy. Especially organs.

 

[Crusile]

Find when 1 pack a day (by age) outpaces high meat eating

 

[Crusile]

What are you even talking about? Meat is generally healthy. Especially organs.

High nutrient density of organs is important so you can stay under the hazard saturated fat threshold but meat is the most toxic food you can eat

 

[Deleted member 16515]

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0244007
risk = 1.13 and 1.51
35% increase in CVD death rate is insane. 25 % of all deaths are heart attacks

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written by vegans
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[Sir Galachad]

High nutrient density of organs is important so you can stay under the hazard saturated fat threshold but meat is the most toxic food you can eat

I think you are retarded.

 

[Crusile]

"All" food is "healthy' because meat and red meat swing the pendulum so far inm the unhealthy direction that candy and fried potatoes should be considered healthy.
Meat = toxic, dont risk your only life on it

 

[Gandy]

"All" food is "healthy' because meat and red meat swing the pendulum so far inm the unhealthy direction that candy and fried potatoes should be considered healthy.
Meat = toxic, dont risk your only life on it

A big problem with some of these carcinogenic studies / saturated fat studies is they don't differentiate between processed highly salted meats like cold cuts, and meats like grass fed organic beef or organic chicken.

The vast majority of the population gets their meat intake from processed cold cuts and industrial meats. Not grass fed beef.

It makes a major difference in how the animal was raised and what it was fed, in regards to its final nutritional profile (fatty acids, linoleic acid and other fat compounds)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/

Saying straight out meat causes cancer is not accurate - because these studies lump together the big mass of people who never eat actual meat (and instead eat overly processed frankenmeats with as much as 5g of salt per 100g of product leading to heart issues), and those who eat actual unprocessed meat which is then either lightly seasoned or just cooked to medium.

Grass-Fed Beef: Is It Good for You?

Find out what the research says about grass-fed beef, who should have it, and how it may affect your health.

www.webmd.com

The only red meat I would avoid for health reasons altogether is pork - it just contains too much saturated fatty acid no matter what the animal was fed, to ever be good for your heart and health.

 

[ChristianChad]

A big problem with some of these carcinogenic studies / saturated fat studies is they don't differentiate between processed highly salted meats like cold cuts, and meats like grass fed organic beef or organic chicken.

The vast majority of the population gets their meat intake from processed cold cuts and industrial meats. Not grass fed beef.

True. Southern American countries eat more red meat then the US but have less traditionally red-meat associated cancers then the US, probably because the meat is very high quality.

 

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What's wrong with meat now?

 

[ChristianChad]

How surprising...

 

[VeryFuglyNiyguhs]

What are you even talking about? Meat is generally healthy. Especially organs.

Red meat is a known carcinogen actually.

 

[szolliontaraelis]

We know meat is toxic

propaganda from the curry lobby in gandyland

 

[Deleted member 21179]

Dont listen to these retarded idiotic kids. Meat is super toxic and will shorten ur lifespan just like cigarettes. There is not a more toxic thing between the two, both are toxic and you should avoid both, but Id say cigarettes are more toxic.

 

[Crusile]

Prove grass fed vs grain fed matters for outcomes (can't).

Gambling on low probability mechanism speculations when we know high linoleic acid pufas outperform meat

 

[Crusile]

@Gandy

 

[Crusile]

Pufa outcome data debunks omega ratios and meat quality

 

[House Lannister]

State of this forum

 

[Deleted member 22099]

My record is 38 in a day it would have been 40 but I have 2 away

 

[Gandy]

Prove grass fed vs grain fed matters for outcomes (can't).

Gambling on low probability mechanism speculations when we know high linoleic acid pufas outperform meat

Grain-Fed vs Grass-Fed Beef- What’s the Difference?

When choosing meat for your summer cookout, the various labels on the packaging can seem a little overwhelming. One of the label claims that people often see is grass-fed beef. At first glance, this seems like a straightforward claim. But what does it really mean? Cattle are ruminants which...

union.ces.ncsu.edu

Grass fed is just healthier overall, leaner and has a better fatty acid profile when it comes to heart health.

It's also more expensive - the only reason all meat isn't grass fed.

Very high fat meats always have bad heart health outcomes though, for example bacon.
I would never eat it as a daily food let alone breakfast, it's best left as a rare treat.

Meat itself isn't the problem; It's 1. the amount of fat contained in it and 2. the quality of that fat which cause coronary disease, plaque buildup, high blood pressure etc. (combine this with the high amount of salt in processed high fat meats like sausages, and you have disaster at hand)

Again, the problem is these studies don't differentiate a 35% fat pork sausage that has 9 grams of salt in it from a 250g grass fed unsalted marbled sirloin steak that has 10% fat. They just study overall meat consumption. Most meat people consume is garbage.

 

[Crusile]

smoking is healthy if u smoke organic tobacco and roll it yourself. anti smoking studies don't differentiate cig smoking and tobacco smoking

 

[Crusile]

Grain-Fed vs Grass-Fed Beef- What’s the Difference?

When choosing meat for your summer cookout, the various labels on the packaging can seem a little overwhelming. One of the label claims that people often see is grass-fed beef. At first glance, this seems like a straightforward claim. But what does it really mean? Cattle are ruminants which...

union.ces.ncsu.edu

Grass fed is just healthier overall, leaner and has a better fatty acid profile when it comes to heart health.

It's also more expensive - the only reason all meat isn't grass fed.

Grass fed beef is a consumerist scam yes. grass fed butter is even worse for $/calorie/nutrients and calorie/nutrient