Is taking gear worth it?

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17 rn got some muscle naturally on my chest and shoulders but I look skinny, I wanna get wider and bigger without getting fat, I’m 17-18%bf so I’m currently maingaining in hopes of getting big in 2-3 years, I lowkey wanna hop on test but I want to know the side effects, my main concern is does it effect skin?
 
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Absolutely :ogre::ogre::ogre: as long as you know what to use and how to mitigate the downsides
 
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17 rn got some muscle naturally on my chest and shoulders but I look skinny, I wanna get wider and bigger without getting fat, I’m 17-18%bf so I’m currently maingaining in hopes of getting big in 2-3 years, I lowkey wanna hop on test but I want to know the side effects, my main concern is does it effect skin?
it is but DYOR about downsides and how to properly PCT.
 
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17 rn got some muscle naturally on my chest and shoulders but I look skinny, I wanna get wider and bigger without getting fat, I’m 17-18%bf so I’m currently maingaining in hopes of getting big in 2-3 years, I lowkey wanna hop on test but I want to know the side effects, my main concern is does it effect skin?
test is worth it, although it does effect your skin due to some of converting into dht which activates sebaceous glands which cause overproduction of sebum which clogs pores etc leading to blocked follicles
 
I’m 17-18%bf
Not worth when you borderline obese, cut down to 8-10% bodyfat first.
my main concern is does it effect skin
It does, negatively.


I’d say its worth it, but have to be careful with health/looks side effects.
5-ar inhibitor on heavy test cycles is mandatory
 
No. Unless you have really bad muscle building genetics and if you look really bad all around, it can ascend you but even then id wait til youre atleast 22-23 because youre still growing in different ways until then and its common knowledge (people say otherwise today but back in the day this was the general consensus) to wait until then because of your endoctrine system and hormone system is growing, and messing with ur hormones before it can mess it up.

You can build a great physiqe natty
 
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No. Unless you have really bad muscle building genetics and if you look really bad all around, it can ascend you but even then id wait til youre atleast 22-23 because youre still growing in different ways until then and its common knowledge (people say otherwise today but back in the day this was the general consensus) to wait until then because of your endoctrine system and hormone system is growing, and messing with ur hormones before it can mess it up.

You can build a great physiqe natty
do you think no fap /semen retention is worth it to maximize test ?
 
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That’s the only issue of course
His main concern was skin what am I supposed to tell him?It's not like his skin is going to age and he'll end up looking 80 y.o
 
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So you think test and steroids won't affect your face?
It won’t significantly alter his facial bone structure at that age, that’s just the reality
 
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His main concern was skin what am I supposed to tell him?It's not like his skin is going to age and he'll end up looking 80 y.o
There are way more important sides to mitigate first.

Whatever he does, it will objectively age him, since oxidative stress strongly increases. Although, you can definitely contain the damage, if you possess the right knowledge.
He doesn’t, though.

If it’s just about a slight body halo, it’s completely unnecessary.
 
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It won’t significantly alter his facial bone structure at that age, that’s just the reality
A few mm of browridge or a bit wider jaw still would be better than nothing
 
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A few mm of browridge or a bit wider jaw still would be better than nothing
A few mm is optimistic still.

If it’s about stuff like this, surgery is the superior solution.
 
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17 rn got some muscle naturally on my chest and shoulders but I look skinny, I wanna get wider and bigger without getting fat, I’m 17-18%bf so I’m currently maingaining in hopes of getting big in 2-3 years, I lowkey wanna hop on test but I want to know the side effects, my main concern is does it effect skin?
take igf1 or hgh test will give you hella acne and way more unwanted effects
 
With dr supervision for sure everyone in Hollywood does it like that and don’t go toji mode.
 
17 rn got some muscle naturally on my chest and shoulders but I look skinny, I wanna get wider and bigger without getting fat, I’m 17-18%bf so I’m currently maingaining in hopes of getting big in 2-3 years, I lowkey wanna hop on test but I want to know the side effects, my main concern is does it effect skin?
LWKY. Forget the roid for the time being and run peptides. run hgh/reta/ghkcu etc cut down a bit then add in test/tren when u get leaner to finish the cut off. I personally struggled with acne all my life bro and tbh on tren/test i get minimal acne but I am on microdose accutane and ghkcu. So if u have acne problems u should prep for it via dut/accutane/ghkcu
 
LWKY. Forget the roid for the time being and run peptides. run hgh/reta/ghkcu etc cut down a bit then add in test/tren when u get leaner to finish the cut off. I personally struggled with acne all my life bro and tbh on tren/test i get minimal acne but I am on microdose accutane and ghkcu. So if u have acne problems u should prep for it via dut/accutane/ghkcu
Tbh it’s not about acne I don’t usually get much, im more worried about skin quality like I’m not tying to look like fucking Freddy Krueger in the face when I’m on gear, I already know the standard protocol is generally simple test some ai and cruise, tbh the main reason I even wanna hop on is to get those boulder shoulders asap
 
No. Unless you have really bad muscle building genetics and if you look really bad all around, it can ascend you but even then id wait til youre atleast 22-23 because youre still growing in different ways until then and its common knowledge (people say otherwise today but back in the day this was the general consensus) to wait until then because of your endoctrine system and hormone system is growing, and messing with ur hormones before it can mess it up.

You can build a great physiqe natty
Yea I’m more than likely gonna go the natty route but hopping on test seems so appealing to me since when on test you get crazy fucking shoulders
 
Yea I’m more than likely gonna go the natty route but hopping on test seems so appealing to me since when on test you get crazy fucking shoulders
You can look fine natty, even in the shoulders. I did it before in the past
 
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You can look fine natty, even in the shoulders. I did it before in the past
How much years would you say it takes to get objectively large lats and shoulders if I’m training hard, hitting my protein and eating mostly at maintenance cals
 
Tbh it’s not about acne I don’t usually get much, im more worried about skin quality like I’m not tying to look like fucking Freddy Krueger in the face when I’m on gear, I already know the standard protocol is generally simple test some ai and cruise, tbh the main reason I even wanna hop on is to get those boulder shoulders asap
tbh u can get the shoulders natty. My skin quality is perfect on gear. tbh none of roid friends have bad skin quality. Rather in ur situation because ur on the fatter side your face would retain water and therefore your skin would look bad. When I was fatter this is what would happen to me and it was awful.
 
How much years would you say it takes to get objectively large lats and shoulders if I’m training hard, hitting my protein and eating mostly at maintenance cals
It depends on a couple things, like genetics, if you go through cycles of bulking and cutting, your diet , how consistent you are etc. It also depends what you mean by large. You can get to a level after 2 or so years where to regular people, you are ripped and muscular and they mire gains. If you do it consistently they will call you buff. But compared to pro bodybuilders and roiders on tiktok? It can take a long long time to fit those standards. But then again, if you dont have body dismorphia, you will look good irl to the majority of people and will be "ripped" and muscular. Also if you dont worry about bodyfat and just want size you can get pretty damn huge as a natty, but most likely you want lean muscle. Only time can tell how long it will take to get there
 
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17 rn got some muscle naturally on my chest and shoulders but I look skinny, I wanna get wider and bigger without getting fat, I’m 17-18%bf so I’m currently maingaining in hopes of getting big in 2-3 years, I lowkey wanna hop on test but I want to know the side effects, my main concern is does it effect skin?
its not worth it ur gonna mess up ur natural test levels and become dependant
 
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Yeah just get a bit of test,dut and ai just incase you need it

Start easy and its better to be safe than sorry
 
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