is there any hope for manlets?

[galego123]

i need 4 cm to become 180cm. LL is very expensive, invasive and painful. will a new method be around soon or is it over?

 

[Deleted member 19465]

Your height is good enough. You will not be able to get with every girl but you will still be able to get a girlfriend. Usually, it's the face at that height, rather than the height itself. Do you have muscle? You might be looking like a child with 50kgs 120lbs or some shit like that.

I am about your height and I always thought girls hated me for it, but it opened my eyes when I saw my jacked (natural) friend (same height) getting girls easily. And he is on the autistic spectrum (while I did confidencemaxx/personalitymaxx) and girls did approach him first. Though I must admit he has a good face and bone structure. That is the moment when I started believing face > height unless you are a turbomanlet.

 

[galego123]

Your height is good enough. You will not be able to get with every girl but you will still be able to get a girlfriend. Usually, it's the face at that height, rather than the height itself. Do you have muscle? You might be looking like a child with 50kgs 120lbs or some shit like that.

I am about your height and I always thought girls hated me for it, but it opened my eyes when I saw my jacked (natural) friend (same height) getting girls easily. And he is on the autistic spectrum (while I did confidencemaxx/personalitymaxx) and girls did approach him first. Though I must admit he has a good face and bone structure. That is the moment when I started believing face > height unless you are a turbomanlet.

no i dont have muscle. i know its key to sex appeal but i just cant put my mind to it, especially the diet part

but yeah face is king, i can larp as 180cm with taller shoes so face is definetely my biggest problem.

 

[Deleted member 19465]

no i dont have muscle. i know its key to sex appeal but i just cant put my mind to it, especially the diet part

but yeah face is king, i can larp as 180cm with taller shoes so face is definetely my biggest problem.

Build muscle, dress well, and groom, if that doesn't work, then you will know that you are ugly. Most guys are not ugly, just normal/average looking. Also, you might be young, at a young age most men don't look good, I started getting IOIs from girls at age of 28. Most young guys are little muscleless spergs who only scream around, talk about how drunk they got, how fast they drove over the speed limit, girls are embarrassed standing near the guy that behaves like that (Personal experience). This is my personal observation, might work for some.

 

[galego123]

Build muscle, dress well, and groom, if that doesn't work, then you will know that you are ugly. Most guys are not ugly, just normal/average looking. Also, you might be young, at a young age most men don't look good, I started getting IOIs from girls at age of 28. Most young guys are little muscleless spergs who only scream around, talk about how drunk they got, how fast they drove over the speed limit. This is my personal observation, might work for some.

yeah im 19. trying to moneymaxx to get some surgeries done soon. as a normie gymmaxxing is non negotiable. good insight man

 

[Deleted member 19465]

yeah im 19. trying to moneymaxx to get some surgeries done soon. as a normie gymmaxxing is non negotiable. good insight man

You are at a good age to become self-aware of this stuff. Just work on your craft and build money. The gym is the most important thing in every man's life, you must depend on it as if it is water. I wish I started doing this stuff at your age but I didn't.

Also, try to be social at the time that you are building wealth, or you can easily damage your brain with self-isolation or shit like that. Try to build your own social circle. I ditched all friends that made fun of me a long time ago. Now I have a circle of friends (including girlfriends) that want to be my friends and they always call me to hang out.

Your life will change better if you keep improving.

 

[AscensionMan98]

no i dont have muscle. i know its key to sex appeal but i just cant put my mind to it, especially the diet part

but yeah face is king, i can larp as 180cm with taller shoes so face is definetely my biggest problem.

Your out of your mind doing a risky procedure for minimal height gain at that height. The only time its probably worth it is at a height of 4-5 inches below national average. Even then location maxxing is probably better, as well as acquiring large amounts of money and status. The reason being is that their is a possibility that you may not gain normal function of the legs and things like running, or walking could be not proper.

I do see why someone at 5ft 5 or 5ft 6 in the uk or america, or 5ft 6-5ft 7 in the Netherlands would consider it. But still, the amount of extremely hot escorts one could get is so much with the procedure cost.

Like the other poster said, body max and social max. Avoid using tinder/online dating constantly and don't always go to the bar/club. If you have a NT friend who is at least a MTN then consider day gaming in the park/outside cofee shops/crystal shops/nature trails or on them. Hippie foids also tend to be laidback, and sometimes their pretty hot. Their tbh more focused on a guy who has a natural gymcel body and the rest is if you have good " energy". They wear crystals, tend to be bisexual,dye their hair, like drugs like Molly acid.

 

[galego123]

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thanks for the very good replies.

i'll just wear boots and put my mind on something else. it bothers me because im the shortest among my peers but it is what is. if i keep thinking about it all day im not going anywhere.

 

[AscensionMan98]

You are at a good age to become self-aware of this stuff. Just work on your craft and build money. The gym is the most important thing in every man's life, you must depend on it as if it is water. I wish I started doing this stuff at your age but I didn't.

Also, try to be social at the time that you are building wealth, or you can easily damage your brain with self-isolation or shit like that. Try to build your own social circle. I ditched all friends that made fun of me a long time ago. Now I have a circle of friends (including girlfriends) that want to be my friends and they always call me to hang out.

Your life will change better if you keep improving.

I had a bad social circle bunch of fucking looser passive aggressive shit talking MTN's. Now all of them abandoned including my former " good friends from high school". We stayed in touch for years including uni 1 of them, and the others we would periodically talk after a few months not talking and meet up in the breaks of uni.

Now I don't speak to any of them, and all by myself in a new city working my first job ever. The job pays good at the moment ( about 60k total with commissions in the USA). However with taxes of 30%, rent of 1.7k total ( 200 for the tech internet package, 50$ extra a month for debit/credit card processing fees,40$ a month for parking a month, and 1.4k for the base rent ), I find myself saving a lot less then I would want. Also because of inflation my social security tax has increased 70$ more, which is a huge amount relative to previous times. Not to mention now that I eat organic as the GMO they put all types of crazy shit in the plants/meat food is much more expensive. 100$ grocery bills are the normal.

Realizing this I now found myself with the dilemma that I would have to invest in a very high return but risky bets on options in different assets such as oil, gas, corn, wheat, etc for any hope to have any side income that is reasonable. If I saved I would have like 1-1.2k a month. Hopefully one of them does really well. An extra 6-10k would be awesome per year.

I also now am coming to the sad realizing that if I want to enjoy some time with really hot babes without any crazy gym max, I will have to cough up a huge amount of money. It would be like 500-700$ per hour with a hot blond raw. The only way its possible is through overtime.

Its sad realizing that I now am confined to wage slavery, but I would rather have 2 days of fun a week with some hot babe then have to do a insane gym max that would take me many months to do ( luckily I have muscle memory, but the amount of effort for me personally is a lot, and even then it wasn't guaranteed ).

 

[AscensionMan98]

thanks for the very good replies.

i'll just wear boots and put my mind on something else. it bothers me because im the shortest among my peers but it is what is. if i keep thinking about it all day im not going anywhere.

If you compare yourself via height only you will feel like shit. Take pride in other things, like your mindset. I bet a lot fo them are stupid normie fags who trust the plan and think some roasties will settle down with them. Well their wrong. Some might get it but the quality will be terrible. The others who want something of quality will find themselves scratching their heads wondering why they can't get a girl even tho their mom and teacher said their handsome( failing to realize the devastation caused by uncontrolled female hypergamy). You have an answer to their suffering, but they don't, and even if they have it explained they will have difficulty accepting it.

Also money is awesome. it just blows how expensive bitches are in america. I got to cough up 300-400$ for a cute slim foid, and 500-700$ for a hot fit blond foid for 1hour . But its worth the confidence boost. If your penis is inside a very high smv women, you will be more confident even if you paid. The confidence boost was how I got my first hot gym fwb/short term gf as I got the balls to finally approach after that lay within a few weeks. I also was doing other things like acid/shroom maxxing to help rewire my brain. Its pointless without a journal but after I journaled I had a very nice " post trip glow" as they call it for a few months ( before descending into chaos again). Now I can't find that shit here but the journal entries are their so its nice to see.

 

[Deleted member 19465]

I had a bad social circle bunch of fucking looser passive aggressive shit talking MTN's. Now all of them abandoned including my former " good friends from high school". We stayed in touch for years including uni 1 of them, and the others we would periodically talk after a few months not talking and meet up in the breaks of uni.

Now I don't speak to any of them, and all by myself in a new city working my first job ever. The job pays good at the moment ( about 60k total with commissions in the USA). However with taxes of 30%, rent of 1.7k total ( 200 for the tech internet package, 50$ extra a month for debit/credit card processing fees,40$ a month for parking a month, and 1.4k for the base rent ), I find myself saving a lot less then I would want. Also because of inflation my social security tax has increased 70$ more, which is a huge amount relative to previous times. Not to mention now that I eat organic as the GMO they put all types of crazy shit in the plants/meat food is much more expensive. 100$ grocery bills are the normal.

Realizing this I now found myself with the dilemma that I would have to invest in a very high return but risky bets on options in different assets such as oil, gas, corn, wheat, etc for any hope to have any side income that is reasonable. If I saved I would have like 1-1.2k a month. Hopefully one of them does really well. An extra 6-10k would be awesome per year.

I also now am coming to the sad realizing that if I want to enjoy some time with really hot babes without any crazy gym max, I will have to cough up a huge amount of money. It would be like 500-700$ per hour with a hot blond raw. The only way its possible is through overtime.

Its sad realizing that I now am confined to wage slavery, but I would rather have 2 days of fun a week with some hot babe then have to do a insane gym max that would take me many months to do ( luckily I have muscle memory, but the amount of effort for me personally is a lot, and even then it wasn't guaranteed ).

The gym is only 3 hours per week, literally. Most people here talk about the gym as it is something hard. I personally don't even go to the gym, I do bodyweight exercises and it's only 15 minutes, 3 days a week. Girls will notice you right away, probably the first 3 months. That's when you build some muscle. You don't have to look like a bodybuilder to attract girls. Just don't look muscleless, weak, beta, soy. You need to increase weight each week and eat well to build muscle, that's all you have to do, if someone says otherwise, he is just trying to sell you something. Meal prep is way harder than gym, but still you have to eat anyway, so just do it.

I can't help you with wage slaving. You are born in the most powerful country in the world and you should take that as an advantage.

 

[AscensionMan98]

The gym is only 3 hours per week, literally. Most people here talk about the gym as it is something hard. I personally don't even go to the gym, I do bodyweight exercises and it's only 15 minutes, 3 days a week. Girls will notice you right away, probably the first 3 months. That's when you build some muscle. You don't have to look like a bodybuilder to attract girls. Just don't look muscleless, weak, beta, soy. You need to increase weight each week and eat well to build muscle, that's all you have to do. Meal prep is way harder than gym, but still you have to eat anyway, so just do it.

I can't help you with wage slaving. You are born in the most powerful country in the world and you should take that as an advantage.

Your correct to a degree. Some people build muscle easily but me I had to work a while. The good thing is I got muscle memory of my previous gym state where I looked fit to the average eye.

The thing is for me its 15 minutes to the gym, then you would spend 15 minutes doing cardio, then 1-1.5 hours working out, then you would clean yourself down. That's like 5 minutes. As I get tired easily post gym a massage has helped me do a lot better. Those are 10 minutes. Then 15 minutes back, and you would likely get some nice post workout meal for the gains and if you want anything healthy its 10 minutes to make ( vs 2 min In a garbage fast food place)

15min+60min+5 min+10min+15min=105 minutes= 1hour 45 minutes. Getting food is like 2hours total.

You save a lot more time in an apartment gym, but then the equipment is limited ( no bench press, weights go up to 50 lbs ), and it can get crowded as its like the size of a few rooms with 10 people their. Fuck that.

Its overall about how much you value it and not having lag time. After work I feel tired and like to nap. 20 minute power nap is fine but a lot of times I sleep like 2 hours after work.

 

[Deleted member 19465]

Your correct to a degree. Some people build muscle easily but me I had to work a while. The good thing is I got muscle memory of my previous gym state where I looked fit to the average eye.

The thing is for me its 15 minutes to the gym, then you would spend 15 minutes doing cardio, then 1-1.5 hours working out, then you would clean yourself down. That's like 5 minutes. As I get tired easily post gym a massage has helped me do a lot better. Those are 10 minutes. Then 15 minutes back, and you would likely get some nice post workout meal for the gains and if you want anything healthy its 10 minutes to make ( vs 2 min In a garbage fast food place)

15min+60min+5 min+10min+15min=105 minutes= 1hour 45 minutes. Getting food is like 2hours total.

You save a lot more time in an apartment gym, but then the equipment is limited ( no bench press, weights go up to 50 lbs ), and it can get crowded as its like the size of a few rooms with 10 people their. Fuck that.

Its overall about how much you value it and not having lag time. After work I feel tired and like to nap. 20 minute power nap is fine but a lot of times I sleep like 2 hours after work.

So what if you lose 2 hours, what else do you do? You probably spend those 2 hours staring at your phone anyway, or on these forums. At the gym, you can socialize with people and get healthy. Once you see gains and IOIs from girls, you will get addicted like fat kid to a cake (50 cent quote).

 

[AscensionMan98]

So what if you lose 2 hours, what else do you do? You probably spend those 2 hours staring at your phone anyway, or on these forums. At the gym, you can socialize with people and get healthy. Once you see gains and IOIs from girls, you will get addicted like fat kid to a cake (50 cent quote).

That is true. Time isn't the real problem. The only place I get ioi is where the crowd of men are below avg, which is planet fitness. In the other gym hypergamy is strong and everyone is legit like above average. The girls are hot as f but overall get less ioi with all the HTN and chads walking around. Other gym has lots of betas and more ioi their.

Its overall a lot of effort and I've done it before. Just a question of not feeling so blackpilled and lacking energy/motivation. Most of the time when I gym celled I had a max of 3-4 Hours of class a day with the rest to do whatever. Now I do work from 7am-4pm and feel exhausted after work. I am working on improving my sleep and energy.

My new work schedule starts in a week and I will get a more reasonable schedule with 4 10 hour shifts that start later, and end later but I get 3 days off.

 

[Deleted member 19465]

That is true. Time isn't the real problem. The only place I get ioi is where the crowd of men are below avg, which is planet fitness. In the other gym hypergamy is strong and everyone is legit like above average. The girls are hot as f but overall get less ioi with all the HTN and chads walking around. Other gym has lots of betas and more ioi their.

Its overall a lot of effort and I've done it before. Just a question of not feeling so blackpilled and lacking energy/motivation. Most of the time when I gym celled I had a max of 3-4 Hours of class a day with the rest to do whatever. Now I do work from 7am-4pm and feel exhausted after work. I am working on improving my sleep and energy.

My new work schedule starts in a week and I will get a more reasonable schedule with 4 10 hour shifts that start later, and end later but I get 3 days off.

The only legit advice I can give you, I didn't do it personally, but this is what I read works for people that are in your situation. You probably feel fresh when you wake up in the morning, so it's best to go to the gym before work, shower there, dress then go to work. I saw people coming to the gym at 6 am dressed for their job (suit) and nobody cared. You prepare breafast before you go to sleep or you bulk prepare for next 3 days.

 

[Deleted member 19294]

i need 4 cm to become 180cm. LL is very expensive, invasive and painful. will a new method be around soon or is it over?

Your height is fine. If you're that worried, buy some air force 1s or air maxes and/or buy some lift insoles

 

[AscensionMan98]

The only legit advice I can give you, I didn't do it personally, but this is what I read works for people that are in your situation. You probably feel fresh when you wake up in the morning, so it's best to go to the gym before work, shower there, dress then go to work. I saw people coming to the gym at 6 am dressed for their job (suit) and nobody cared. You prepare breafast before you go to sleep or you bulk prepare for next 3 days.

Well the thing is I feel exhausted after working out, and when I tried to workout in the morning felt tired rest of the day. The gym seems to help me sleep as long as its no more then 2 hours before bed time. Too close to bed time and I feel tired but can't sleep for like 1-2 hours.

 

[Deleted member 19465]

Well the thing is I feel exhausted after working out, and when I tried to workout in the morning felt tired rest of the day. The gym seems to help me sleep as long as its no more then 2 hours before bed time. Too close to bed time and I feel tired but can't sleep for like 1-2 hours.

Who cares if you are tired at work all day, the gym is more important than your work, just perform enough, and don't get fired.

 

[TUSSELEIF]

Get air force 1’s which add 3 cm and then put in some 2-3 cm shoe lifts. You’ll get the appearance of a 180 cm dude

 

[Deleted member 19465]

Also want to add one more thing to those who read. I have a decent social circle and believe me most tall guys don't fuck anything. They are no different than short people. I always thought that if the guy is tall he fucks, but once I befriended them they were non-aware incels just like most of you on these forums. Most guys actually don't fuck. On average they just have one girlfriend and that's it.

 

[AscensionMan98]

Who cares if you are tired at work all day, the gym is more important than your work, just perform enough, and don't get fired.

Yea I lack discipline currently. I need to man up and focus on the results. It was a lot easier before when I took sarms. But now I don't see the point as steroids are the superior option, but then I could risk collagen loss and ruin my youthful looks which is still shown as people think I in high school lol.

 

[Deleted member 19465]

Yea I lack discipline currently. I need to man up and focus on the results. It was a lot easier before when I took sarms. But now I don't see the point as steroids are the superior option, but then I could risk collagen loss and ruin my youthful looks which is still shown as people think I in high school lol.

I don't want to go roids route for a similar reason, I have a chad hairline and I don't wanna lose my biggest advantage. Looking older doesn't mean that you will be unattractive, I think most guys that say that on these forums are wrong. Looking older/musculine is very attractive to girls 20+. Only teen girls like Justin Bieber look and they grow out of it.

 

[AscensionMan98]

I don't want to go roids route for a similar reason, I have a chad hairline and I don't wanna lose my biggest advantage. Looking older doesn't mean that you will be unattractive, I think most guys that say that on these forums are wrong. Looking older/musculine is very attractive to girls 20+. Only teen girls like Justin Bieber look and they grow out of it.

Yes but having JB mirin Is awesome. And I agree to an extent. Amnesia seems to have that older attractive look. Looks no more then 25.

 

[Lorsss]

You are not manlet
move to a country where mean height is lower if you really want to heightmog others

 

[exeight]

Your height is good enough. You will not be able to get with every girl but you will still be able to get a girlfriend. Usually, it's the face at that height, rather than the height itself. Do you have muscle? You might be looking like a child with 50kgs 120lbs or some shit like that.

I am about your height and I always thought girls hated me for it, but it opened my eyes when I saw my jacked (natural) friend (same height) getting girls easily. And he is on the autistic spectrum (while I did confidencemaxx/personalitymaxx) and girls did approach him first. Though I must admit he has a good face and bone structure. That is the moment when I started believing face > height unless you are a turbomanlet.

LIFEFUEL for me (im 6'1 and idk why but i always considered myself as too short..... maybe because my fuckin younger brother (he is22 and im 30) is fucking 6'33

 

[LightSkinNoob]

no i dont have muscle. i know its key to sex appeal but i just cant put my mind to it, especially the diet part

but yeah face is king, i can larp as 180cm with taller shoes so face is definetely my biggest problem.

Trust the height will do nothing, I’m 184cm never got me anything, ok maybe 184cm is Manlet but srs spend the LL money on your face

 

[galego123]

Trust the height will do nothing, I’m 184cm never got me anything, ok maybe 184cm is Manlet but srs spend the LL money on your face

im just sick of being below avg. i wanted to be 180 cm so much. would do wonders for my confidence

but yeah i guess its more of a mental thing

 

[jaw_is_law]

no! end of story if your a manlet its over