Is tret necessary at 15 or nah?

[JeanneDArcAlter]

My E is quite high too i think

 

[RecessedCels]

Tret as in what

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Tret as in what

Tretinoin

 

[chadisbeingmade]

So not use that shit. It’s utter trash.

 

[Mainlander]

you are 15 with 16k posts

 

[RecessedCels]

Tretinoin

That's what I was thinking but what's the "E" then ? But yes tretinoin is good. You can use retinol first tho. Sunscreen is more important at that age

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

That's what I was thinking but what's the "E" then ? But yes tretinoin is good. You can use retinol first tho. Sunscreen is more important at that age

Estrogen/estriadiol

 

[RecessedCels]

Estrogen/estriadiol

Tretinoin won't do shit for your hormones bro tf

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Tretinoin won't do shit for your hormones bro tf

I know, im saying im high E which usually gives u good/youthful skin so it might not be necessary to take tretinoin

 

[RecessedCels]

I know, im saying im high E which usually gives u good/youthful skin so it might not be necessary to take tretinoin

It's not necessary but still a bonus. Retinol is probably better at that age as it's less irritating. You could use newer stuff too like tazarene

 

[imontheloose]

It's not necessary but still a bonus. Retinol is probably better at that age as it's less irritating. You could use newer stuff too like tazarene

Tretinoin isn't necessary going to cause you more irritation believe it or not. It can just be a much more effective form of retinoid and it may not even irritate you more than any other retinol or retinal.

To OP, I always suggest starting low on retinol and then progressing to retinal then getting onto retinoic acids like tretinoin. Paula's choice have a line of retinoids which do this very thing of scaling you up. Just having high oestrogen won't do anything remarkable to your skin. It is nothing compared to the benefits of retinoids. Start on retinoids whenever you can IMO

 

[RecessedCels]

Tretinoin isn't necessary going to cause you more irritation believe it or not. It can just be a much more effective form of retinoid and it may not even irritate you more than any other retinol or retinal.

To OP, I always suggest starting low on retinol and then progressing to retinal then getting onto retinoic acids like tretinoin. Paula's choice have a line of retinoids which do this very thing of scaling you up. Just having high oestrogen won't do anything remarkable to your skin. It is nothing compared to the benefits of retinoids. Start on retinoids whenever you can IMO

Tretinoin is more likely to cause irritation though

 

[stufftodo]

My E is quite high too i think

ya don't need tret at 15 unless your acne is genuinely horrible.

breaks down a lot of traits that make u appear youthful, so if you can, avoid it. not saying it's a bad product or anything.

but skincare products have suited age ranges for them, tret just isn't for yours.

if you really do try, it'll go away easier than most people since you're young

 

[imontheloose]

Tretinoin is more likely to cause irritation though

Not as itself, necessarily. That's your mistake. Anything is irritating to a certain extent. Tretinoin is usually prescribed to people as a cream based formula with concentrations like 0.025% which is less irritating, even, than OTC retinol/retinal which usually is alcohol-based or has other actives like exfoliants.

The conversion process of retinol to retinal to retinoic acid varies individual-individual and is pretty unpredictable too. A low dosed tretinoin like 0.025% used every few days, you can scale up to more frequent use later, with a good moisturiser is usually not irritating.

Skin adaptation is also a big thing. Perhaps you have an anecdotal experience of initial irritation, that doesn't mean it is the tretinoin's fault, your skin will soon adapt to it. Tretinoin, also, allows you to build a tolerance pretty quickly, whereas OTC creams usually take a bit longer due to the other ingredients in their formulations.

If you use tretinoin at a low strength and introduced it gradually, it can be just as tolerable, if not more tolerable, than retinol/retinal. But since it is obviously straight up retinoic acid, it can irritate you if used incorrectly. Retinol and retinal can be "stored", you can say, by the skin until it needs it, so you have more room for error, whereas tretinoin is retinoic acid and it cannot be back converted to retinal/retinol and thus would irritate you if used inappropriately.

ya don't need tret at 15 unless your acne is genuinely horrible.

breaks down a lot of traits that make u appear youthful, so if you can, avoid it. not saying it's a bad product or anything.

but skincare products have suited age ranges for them, tret just isn't for yours.

if you really do try, it'll go away easier than most people since you're young

@JeanneDArcAlter do not listen to this retard. This is filled with garbage.

Sure, tretinoin isn't needed for mild acne, OTC treatments like benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, or even adapalene will probably be enough. But, even if your acne is slightly a concern, or it causes scars when it does arise, then tretinoin is a great option. Tretinoin, and retinoids as a whole, do much more than merely fight your acne. They are probably the most researched and most versatile treatments for pretty much every single skin concern you could have.

Tretinoin does NOT break down youthful skin or traits. That's pure garbage. Tretinoin increases collagen production and evens skin texture, so how does it break down youthful traits? Ah, that's right, it doesn't. The irritation felt is just your skin temporarily being dry due to incorrect usage, not "aging" the skin. If anything, tretinoin is anti-aging, quite literally. Why else is it prescribed to adults to remove fine lines, wrinkles, and boost collagen?

Tretinoin is literally one of the most researched acne treatment for teens, it prevents clogged pores, reduces inflammation, and helps fade annoying post-acne marks/scars. Not to mention it is FDA-approved for kids aged 12 and up. So how is it outside his age range? Again, it isn't.

Telling OP to avoid it is just retarded. It is much more than a treatment for horrendous acne. Scars and texture warrant its usage too as well as countless other problems. It is so versatile and is used for all sorts of issues for all ages, don't spew utter shit and confuse people with your rubbish.

 

[JeanneDArcAlter]

Not as itself, necessarily. That's your mistake. Anything is irritating to a certain extent. Tretinoin is usually prescribed to people as a cream based formula with concentrations like 0.025% which is less irritating, even, than OTC retinol/retinal which usually is alcohol-based or has other actives like exfoliants.

The conversion process of retinol to retinal to retinoic acid varies individual-individual and is pretty unpredictable too. A low dosed tretinoin like 0.025% used every few days, you can scale up to more frequent use later, with a good moisturiser is usually not irritating.

Skin adaptation is also a big thing. Perhaps you have an anecdotal experience of initial irritation, that doesn't mean it is the tretinoin's fault, your skin will soon adapt to it. Tretinoin, also, allows you to build a tolerance pretty quickly, whereas OTC creams usually take a bit longer due to the other ingredients in their formulations.

If you use tretinoin at a low strength and introduced it gradually, it can be just as tolerable, if not more tolerable, than retinol/retinal. But since it is obviously straight up retinoic acid, it can irritate you if used incorrectly. Retinol and retinal can be "stored", you can say, by the skin until it needs it, so you have more room for error, whereas tretinoin is retinoic acid and it cannot be back converted to retinal/retinol and thus would irritate you if used inappropriately.


@JeanneDArcAlter do not listen to this retard. This is filled with garbage.

Sure, tretinoin isn't needed for mild acne, OTC treatments like benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, or even adapalene will probably be enough. But, even if your acne is slightly a concern, or it causes scars when it does arise, then tretinoin is a great option. Tretinoin, and retinoids as a whole, do much more than merely fight your acne. They are probably the most researched and most versatile treatments for pretty much every single skin concern you could have.

Tretinoin does NOT break down youthful skin or traits. That's pure garbage. Tretinoin increases collagen production and evens skin texture, so how does it break down youthful traits? Ah, that's right, it doesn't. The irritation felt is just your skin temporarily being dry due to incorrect usage, not "aging" the skin. If anything, tretinoin is anti-aging, quite literally. Why else is it prescribed to adults to remove fine lines, wrinkles, and boost collagen?

Tretinoin is literally one of the most researched acne treatment for teens, it prevents clogged pores, reduces inflammation, and helps fade annoying post-acne marks/scars. Not to mention it is FDA-approved for kids aged 12 and up. So how is it outside his age range? Again, it isn't.

Telling OP to avoid it is just retarded. It is much more than a treatment for horrendous acne. Scars and texture warrant its usage too as well as countless other problems. It is so versatile and is used for all sorts of issues for all ages, don't spew utter shit and confuse people with your rubbish.

high iq response

 

[RecessedCels]

Not as itself, necessarily. That's your mistake. Anything is irritating to a certain extent. Tretinoin is usually prescribed to people as a cream based formula with concentrations like 0.025% which is less irritating, even, than OTC retinol/retinal which usually is alcohol-based or has other actives like exfoliants.

The conversion process of retinol to retinal to retinoic acid varies individual-individual and is pretty unpredictable too. A low dosed tretinoin like 0.025% used every few days, you can scale up to more frequent use later, with a good moisturiser is usually not irritating.

Skin adaptation is also a big thing. Perhaps you have an anecdotal experience of initial irritation, that doesn't mean it is the tretinoin's fault, your skin will soon adapt to it. Tretinoin, also, allows you to build a tolerance pretty quickly, whereas OTC creams usually take a bit longer due to the other ingredients in their formulations.

If you use tretinoin at a low strength and introduced it gradually, it can be just as tolerable, if not more tolerable, than retinol/retinal. But since it is obviously straight up retinoic acid, it can irritate you if used incorrectly. Retinol and retinal can be "stored", you can say, by the skin until it needs it, so you have more room for error, whereas tretinoin is retinoic acid and it cannot be back converted to retinal/retinol and thus would irritate you if used inappropriately.


@JeanneDArcAlter do not listen to this retard. This is filled with garbage.

Sure, tretinoin isn't needed for mild acne, OTC treatments like benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, or even adapalene will probably be enough. But, even if your acne is slightly a concern, or it causes scars when it does arise, then tretinoin is a great option. Tretinoin, and retinoids as a whole, do much more than merely fight your acne. They are probably the most researched and most versatile treatments for pretty much every single skin concern you could have.

Tretinoin does NOT break down youthful skin or traits. That's pure garbage. Tretinoin increases collagen production and evens skin texture, so how does it break down youthful traits? Ah, that's right, it doesn't. The irritation felt is just your skin temporarily being dry due to incorrect usage, not "aging" the skin. If anything, tretinoin is anti-aging, quite literally. Why else is it prescribed to adults to remove fine lines, wrinkles, and boost collagen?

Tretinoin is literally one of the most researched acne treatment for teens, it prevents clogged pores, reduces inflammation, and helps fade annoying post-acne marks/scars. Not to mention it is FDA-approved for kids aged 12 and up. So how is it outside his age range? Again, it isn't.

Telling OP to avoid it is just retarded. It is much more than a treatment for horrendous acne. Scars and texture warrant its usage too as well as countless other problems. It is so versatile and is used for all sorts of issues for all ages, don't spew utter shit and confuse people with your rubbish.

Can I see any study comparing the irritation?

 

[stufftodo]

Not as itself, necessarily. That's your mistake. Anything is irritating to a certain extent. Tretinoin is usually prescribed to people as a cream based formula with concentrations like 0.025% which is less irritating, even, than OTC retinol/retinal which usually is alcohol-based or has other actives like exfoliants.

The conversion process of retinol to retinal to retinoic acid varies individual-individual and is pretty unpredictable too. A low dosed tretinoin like 0.025% used every few days, you can scale up to more frequent use later, with a good moisturiser is usually not irritating.

Skin adaptation is also a big thing. Perhaps you have an anecdotal experience of initial irritation, that doesn't mean it is the tretinoin's fault, your skin will soon adapt to it. Tretinoin, also, allows you to build a tolerance pretty quickly, whereas OTC creams usually take a bit longer due to the other ingredients in their formulations.

If you use tretinoin at a low strength and introduced it gradually, it can be just as tolerable, if not more tolerable, than retinol/retinal. But since it is obviously straight up retinoic acid, it can irritate you if used incorrectly. Retinol and retinal can be "stored", you can say, by the skin until it needs it, so you have more room for error, whereas tretinoin is retinoic acid and it cannot be back converted to retinal/retinol and thus would irritate you if used inappropriately.


@JeanneDArcAlter do not listen to this retard. This is filled with garbage.

Sure, tretinoin isn't needed for mild acne, OTC treatments like benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid, or even adapalene will probably be enough. But, even if your acne is slightly a concern, or it causes scars when it does arise, then tretinoin is a great option. Tretinoin, and retinoids as a whole, do much more than merely fight your acne. They are probably the most researched and most versatile treatments for pretty much every single skin concern you could have.

Tretinoin does NOT break down youthful skin or traits. That's pure garbage. Tretinoin increases collagen production and evens skin texture, so how does it break down youthful traits? Ah, that's right, it doesn't. The irritation felt is just your skin temporarily being dry due to incorrect usage, not "aging" the skin. If anything, tretinoin is anti-aging, quite literally. Why else is it prescribed to adults to remove fine lines, wrinkles, and boost collagen?

Tretinoin is literally one of the most researched acne treatment for teens, it prevents clogged pores, reduces inflammation, and helps fade annoying post-acne marks/scars. Not to mention it is FDA-approved for kids aged 12 and up. So how is it outside his age range? Again, it isn't.

Telling OP to avoid it is just retarded. It is much more than a treatment for horrendous acne. Scars and texture warrant its usage too as well as countless other problems. It is so versatile and is used for all sorts of issues for all ages, don't spew utter shit and confuse people with your rubbish.

errrr it's kinda long so i'm not gonna read it all, sorry for that

tret has been shown to decrease fat stores on your face, which is a youth indicator.

mm, for skincare and topicals there's always a recommended age for the products. like certain acne lines from a brand would be for teens. and some expensive shisiedo line would be for older folks. it's just the target for the product is different, not that it can't be used.

i also don't believe collagen would be a concern at his age. which is the reason i'm telling him to avoid it.

he can fix whatever scars and skin issues he has (considering it's mild) without tret at 15.
if he'd been 3 years older or really suffering from hyperpigmentation, etc i would've pushed for tret all the way.

 

[narex054]

My E is quite high too i think

Change ur avi and u’ll be alr.

 

[BucketCrab]

Collagen starts depleting at 25+