Is wide and strong neck can make your lower third appear wider?

[copercel123]

I wanna know if I need to train my neck since both my neck and lower third are very weak .

 

[NoaA99]

It absolutely does. I have a very underdeveloped jaw due to a very low birth weight, but I naturally have a 43,5-44cm thick neck. People even compliment my jaw, despite it being smaller than that of many women. Solely because the thick neck gives the illusion of a broader jaw.

 

[copercel123]

It absolutely does. I have a very underdeveloped jaw due to a very low birth weight, but I naturally have a 43,5-44cm thick neck. People even compliment my jaw, despite it being smaller than that of many women. Solely because the thick neck gives the illusion of a broader jaw.

Wow

 

[NoaA99]

Wow

Still, would much rather have bones- I am literally a neanderthal when it comes to hair growth, but my extremely small and underdeveloped birth stature, as well as a lack of catch up growth, meant I have the skeletal frame of a women.
All while having relatively high Adulthood T-levels (700-900 ng/dl). The combination is brutal.

 

[copercel123]

Still, would much rather have bones- I am literally a neanderthal when it comes to hair growth, but my extremely small and underdeveloped birth stature, as well as a lack of catch up growth, meant I have the skeletal frame of a women.
All while having relatively high Adulthood T-levels (700-900 ng/dl). The combination is brutal.

My bones except for my mandible and chin are good. And I will do surgeries as I’m older

 

[DarkAscender]

It absolutely does. I have a very underdeveloped jaw due to a very low birth weight, but I naturally have a 43,5-44cm thick neck. People even compliment my jaw, despite it being smaller than that of many women. Solely because the thick neck gives the illusion of a broader jaw.

Opposite here, my jaw is rlly wide but my neck is on the thinner side. like 14.5 inches

 

[NoaA99]

My bones except for my mandible and chin are good. And I will do surgeries as I’m older

My maxilla (Class III) and mandible are shit, and it looks even worse because of my wide zygomatic breadth (15.2 cm) and a total head width of 16.5 cm. On top of that, I’ve got mild short face syndrome and an overly compact upper skull, which only makes the imbalance more pronounced.


Surprisingly, my dad has a jaw straight out of the 99th percentile - insanely broad, with probably the squarest and widest chin I’ve ever seen in real life. And to top it off, he’s also in the top IQ percentile. Some people really do hit the genetic jackpot across the board.

My twin sister weighed almost double what I did at birth and went on to major in biology with the best results her university has seen in years.

It’s wild how much your birth circumstances alone can derail your genetic potential. Really makes you just give up.

 

[NoaA99]

Opposite here, my jaw is rlly wide but my neck is on the thinner side. like 14.5 inches

At least, you can always train your neck. No training for your jaws.

 

[copercel123]

My maxilla (Class III) and mandible are shit, and it looks even worse because of my wide zygomatic breadth (15.2 cm) and a total head width of 16.5 cm. On top of that, I’ve got mild short face syndrome and an overly compact upper skull, which only makes the imbalance more pronounced.


Surprisingly, my dad has a jaw straight out of the 99th percentile - insanely broad, with probably the squarest and widest chin I’ve ever seen in real life. And to top it off, he’s also in the top IQ percentile. Some people really do hit the genetic jackpot across the board.

My twin sister weighed almost double what I did at birth and went on to major in biology with the best results her university has seen in years.

It’s wild how much your birth circumstances alone can derail your genetic potential. Really makes you just give up.

Genetic failure sucks

 

[NoaA99]

Genetic failure sucks

It’s not even a genetic failure - both my parents and grandparents are actually pretty good-looking. But twins are always risky, and my mom honestly didn’t do shit during the pregnancy besides lying around and eating a few vegetables. She somehow believes meat is bad lmao.

The doctors are just as much to blame. How do you not notice that one of the babies is getting significantly less nutrition in the womb?

And the worst part? These people still act like they did everything right just because my sister turned out so successful - she’s literally the pride of the whole family.
Somehow, it’s my own fault, according to these bluepilled idiots. As if their success is purely the result of hard work and not the massive advantages they were born with. They have no idea how hard it is to fight uphill when you’re handed the short end of the stick from day one.

 

[tweaqo]

Still, would much rather have bones- I am literally a neanderthal when it comes to hair growth, but my extremely small and underdeveloped birth stature, as well as a lack of catch up growth, meant I have the skeletal frame of a women.
All while having relatively high Adulthood T-levels (700-900 ng/dl). The combination is brutal.

U gonna get surgery to fix it?

 

[NoaA99]

U gonna get surgery to fix it?

Cant fix the whole skeletal deficiency but yeah I am planned for double jaw surgery in 2026- I am already 26 though. And, it will only fix the class III and hopefully improve the TMJ and breathing difficulties

 

[Snicket]

Cant fix the whole skeletal deficiency but yeah I am planned for double jaw surgery in 2026- I am already 26 though. And, it will only fix the class III and hopefully improve the TMJ and breathing difficulties

How large is your underbite in mm?
What do you think about Clavicular getting an LF2, even though he doesn't even have a skeletal deficiency?

 

[NoaA99]

How large is your underbite in mm?
What do you think about Clavicular getting an LF2, even though he doesn't even have a skeletal deficiency?

It’s about 6-7mm according to my surgeon, but it’s just skeletal-my body has compensated by creating a midline discrepancy and some mild teeth shifting. However, since they also plan to advance my mandible slightly, it’ll probably end up around 9mm.
I still need to go over the specifics, though. Also, I’m not entirely happy with my current jaw surgeon (a woman), especially since she seems heavily bluepilled.

I don’t know anything about that, but if it’s true, it’s honestly hilarious- he’s good-looking enough to get almost any girl but succumbs to his severe narcissism.
It also send a pretty bad message to young guys.

 

[Snicket]

It’s about 6-7mm according to my surgeon, but it’s just skeletal-my body has compensated by creating a midline discrepancy and some mild teeth shifting. However, since they also plan to advance my mandible slightly, it’ll probably end up around 9mm.
I still need to go over the specifics, though. Also, I’m not entirely happy with my current jaw surgeon (a woman), especially since she seems heavily bluepilled.

Interesting. 9mm is a big movement.

I don’t know anything about that, but if it’s true, it’s honestly hilarious- he’s good-looking enough to get almost any girl but succumbs to his severe narcissism.
It also send a pretty bad message to young guys.

I’m a fellow class 3. There seems to be an inherent unfairness in some guy with zero problems getting a proper mid facial advancement surgery that class 3s really need!

 

[NoaA99]

Interesting. 9mm is a big movement.

I’m a fellow class 3. There seems to be an inherent unfairness in surgeons telling me to fuck off while some guy with zero problems gets a proper mid facial advancement surgery.

Honestly, back in 2020, I went to an orthodontist due to health-related issues-I never really noticed it myself beforehand, but I kept getting comments about having lip fillers or something similar.
Some orthodontists said ridiculous things, like recommending a lifelong splint or saying an underbite looks masculine lmao. Others focused only on the teeth, which doesn’t fix the root cause and just sets you up to pay continuously for future problems.

Here in Germany, there are strict rules for getting surgery covered for "free". I don’t fit into that category, even though I have the exact same issue. Why? Because my bite is a compromised class 1, which causes every single symptom, and I’ve already got confirmed TMJ damage on the left side from an X-ray.
So, I’ll have to pay out of pocket, which is honestly ridiculous. Even the surgeon said it’s necessary if I want to avoid more serious problems later. The surgery will cost around 20 000–30 000€+ at least.


Lmao, why does he even want that? He's already sufficiently forward-grown. Does he want to look like an ape? It’s crazy how every second teenager thinks they're a clear-cut candidate for surgery if they don’t have Barrett-tier forward growth.

Where are you located and how severe is your class 3?

 

[Snicket]

Honestly, back in 2020, I went to an orthodontist due to health-related issues-I never really noticed it myself beforehand, but I kept getting comments about having lip fillers or something similar.
Some orthodontists said ridiculous things, like recommending a lifelong splint or saying an underbite looks masculine lmao. Others focused only on the teeth, which doesn’t fix the root cause and just sets you up to pay continuously for future problems.

Here in Germany, there are strict rules for getting surgery covered for "free". I don’t fit into that category, even though I have the exact same issue. Why? Because my bite is a compromised class 1, which causes every single symptom, and I’ve already got confirmed TMJ damage on the left side from an X-ray.
So, I’ll have to pay out of pocket, which is honestly ridiculous. Even the surgeon said it’s necessary if I want to avoid more serious problems later. The surgery will cost around 20 000–30 000€+ at least.

I can relate to your problems in Germany.
A big issue in countries with socialized healthcare is that the cosmetic outcome takes a firm backseat to the functional result anwyay.
They will always avoid prescribing surgery if they can - which makes sense in a system of universal, functional healthcare - but it doesn't help people like us who want to achieve maximalist results.

Lmao, why does he even want that? He's already sufficiently forward-grown. Does he want to look like an ape? It’s crazy how every second teenager thinks they're a clear-cut candidate for surgery if they don’t have Barrett-tier forward growth.

These surgeries aren't chad affirming. There is no surgery that beats natural forward growth.
LF2 is literally meant to fix patients with clinical midfacial retrusion - like us!
It won't turn him into a model. He's looking at marginal benefit at most.

Where are you located and how severe is your class 3?

I'll just say Western Europe. I don't want to say much more than that because fuck this site.
Around your level of severity.

 

[NoaA99]

I can relate to your problems in Germany.
A big issue in countries with socialized healthcare is that the cosmetic outcome takes a firm backseat to the functional result anwyay.
They will always avoid prescribing surgery if they can - which makes sense in a system of universal, functional healthcare - but it doesn't help people like us who want to achieve maximalist results.

These surgeries aren't chad affirming. There is no surgery that beats natural forward growth.
LF2 is literally meant to fix patients with clinical midfacial retrusion - like us!
It won't turn him into a model. He's looking at marginal benefit at most.

I'll just say Western Europe. I don't want to say much more than that because fuck this site.
Around your level of severity.

Absolutely. While superficial appearance does matter greatly- especially in modern social settings- it still takes a backseat to overall health and functionality. Which is somewhat fine, I suppose, but it should really be more emphasised.
The two, functionality and looks are obviously closely linked, so the line between aesthetics and health isn't always clear-cut.
Ideally, both should be taken very seriously, when it comes to surgery.

And yeah, that's the most frustrating part. You end up spending ridiculous amounts of money on surgery just to fix what your genetics, upbringing, or a flawed healthcare system failed to support in the first place. No matter how skilled the surgeon, natural growth will always look more harmonious than surgical corrections done later in life.

Personally, I don’t even think a full Le Fort II is necessary - a high Le Fort I would be more than enough, and obviously comes with significantly lower risks in comparison.
It’s about being realistic and not chasing unnecessary extremes.

As for clav- he’s clearly out of his mind if he’s willing to gamble his long-term health for some marginal, potential improvement.
I honestly can’t imagine a responsible surgeon taking him seriously, but let’s be real- money talks and some surgeons are surely more than happy to listen.
You can somewhat admire his effort and improvement but it’s completely over, if this guy serves as a role model for young people.

 

[fuckinnefor]

I wanna know if I need to train my neck since both my neck and lower third are very weak .

Hmmm … I don’t know . I personally think that if u have very wide neck , and an underdeveloped lower third , it would be a contrast , fucking up ur lower third , but give it a shot I guess

 

[Snicket]

Absolutely. While superficial appearance does matter greatly- especially in modern social settings- it still takes a backseat to overall health and functionality. Which is somewhat fine, I suppose, but it should really be more emphasised.
The two, functionality and looks are obviously closely linked, so the line between aesthetics and health isn't always clear-cut.
Ideally, both should be taken very seriously, when it comes to surgery.

I agree with you but in a socialized healthcare system with finite resources, I can totally see why improving function is their overwhelming prerogative.

And yeah, that's the most frustrating part. You end up spending ridiculous amounts of money on surgery just to fix what your genetics, upbringing, or a flawed healthcare system failed to support in the first place. No matter how skilled the surgeon, natural growth will always look more harmonious than surgical corrections done later in life.

Exactly, but surgery is the best solution we have right now.

Personally, I don’t even think a full Le Fort II is necessary - a high Le Fort I would be more than enough, and obviously comes with significantly lower risks in comparison.
It’s about being realistic and not chasing unnecessary extremes.

I think it really depends on the level of midfacial retrusion but tempering goals with realistic expectations is key.

As for clav- he’s clearly out of his mind if he’s willing to gamble his long-term health for some marginal, potential improvement.
I honestly can’t imagine a responsible surgeon taking him seriously, but let’s be real- money talks and some surgeons are surely more than happy to listen.
You can somewhat admire his effort and improvement but it’s completely over, if this guy serves as a role model for young people.

Yes, he's clearly mentally ill.
There's a video of him running through the surigcal simulation of a super invasive surgery saying "this looks mog".
I think these Turkish surgeons are walking on thin ice dealing with someone like this.

 

[jeff1234]

I wanna know if I need to train my neck since both my neck and lower third are very weak .

yes

 

[jeff1234]

Genetic failure sucks

fr

 

[jeff1234]

My bones except for my mandible and chin are good. And I will do surgeries as I’m older

me tooooo

 

[jeff1234]

Wow

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[jeff1234]

I wanna know if I need to train my neck since both my neck and lower third are very weak .

idk

 

[NoaA99]

I agree with you but in a socialized healthcare system with finite resources, I can totally see why improving function is their overwhelming prerogative.

Exactly, but surgery is the best solution we have right now.

I think it really depends on the level of midfacial retrusion but tempering goals with realistic expectations is key.

Yes, he's clearly mentally ill.
There's a video of him running through the surigcal simulation of a super invasive surgery saying "this looks mog".
I think these Turkish surgeons are walking on thin ice dealing with someone like this.

Absolutely, and you always want to weigh risk against potential benefit in a somewhat rational way.
Personally, I don’t think a Le Fort II should even be on the table for someone with moderate retrusion.
That procedure is typically reserved for patients with severe underbites (usually >1cm) or those with specific craniofacial syndromes.

Clavicular’s just a madman. If he somehow makes it through a Le Fort II without major complications, I can’t help but wonder- what’s next?
Is he planning on getting implants too? Because if not, I’d imagine his facial convexity will be completely thrown off after the lefort.
He clearly has some sort of god-complex.

 

[copercel123]

It’s not even a genetic failure - both my parents and grandparents are actually pretty good-looking. But twins are always risky, and my mom honestly didn’t do shit during the pregnancy besides lying around and eating a few vegetables. She somehow believes meat is bad lmao.

The doctors are just as much to blame. How do you not notice that one of the babies is getting significantly less nutrition in the womb?

And the worst part? These people still act like they did everything right just because my sister turned out so successful - she’s literally the pride of the whole family.
Somehow, it’s my own fault, according to these bluepilled idiots. As if their success is purely the result of hard work and not the massive advantages they were born with. They have no idea how hard it is to fight uphill when you’re handed the short end of the stick from day one

How do I widen it ?

 

[Joshrc]

It absolutely does. I have a very underdeveloped jaw due to a very low birth weight, but I naturally have a 43,5-44cm thick neck. People even compliment my jaw, despite it being smaller than that of many women. Solely because the thick neck gives the illusion of a broader jaw.

Hopefuel

 

[NoaA99]

Hopefuel

I did not specifically train my neck, though- maybe it adapted, due to consistent strain, but neck circumference still has a genetic component to it

 

[NoaA99]

How do I widen it ?

The neck? Probably train it, mine is naturally large- I did not do anything specific for it. There should be a genetic limit, though. Lots of bodybuilders still have pencil necks after years of working out.

 

[copercel123]

The neck? Probably train it, mine is naturally large- I did not do anything specific for it. There should be a genetic limit, though. Lots of bodybuilders still have pencil necks after years of working out.

 

[jeff1234]

gg

 

[jeff1234]

How do I widen it ?

trainig it

 

[R@m@]

The wider the jaw the wider the chad