It can take years to become NT

[soulless_npc]

If you were coming from an ND background and that's assuming you ever become NT

There's just too many layers to sift through

First you go through extreme depression and apathy after disowning aspects of yourself as a ND, then as an adult you have to dissect how how much of your response to things is a childhood trauma/pain response and how much it accurately reflects reality, because until you do you're really seeing the world more thru the lens of trauma and despair than how it actually is

Then if you have anxiety you have to find the root cause and mitigate that before you can even put yourself out there, because when you're blocked and stifled you can't make any real meaningful connection with anyone and you're living on the defensive/reactive rather than the proactive, and anxiety tbh never really goes away, there are always going to be situations that cause you anxiety

You're trying to live life through your own eyes in an authentic way and that means not living in delusion and being pulled around by mainstream thinking and your trauma response

And you go through all this simply to realize that all this work you just did on yourself is only to get you to the same baseline that normies were operating on since forever, you still don't have a distinct identity and you aren't interesting enough to most people for them to want to get to know you

Your life path is determined by what you live in reaction to and after you watch enough people you realize that being an incel isn't even an issue for a lot of guys, as there are men from all ages races body types and walks of life who succeed with women but they all have one thing in common and that's that they have good social skills (exceptions to this exist, sometimes ND people get with ND people but it's usually toxic)

 

[Gobnull]

too long

 

[rustycowboyc]

 

[grimzgy]

what does nt mean?

 

[soulless_npc]

what does nt mean?

Neurotypical as opposed to neurodivergent

 

[Foreverbrad]

And it’s over due to age by the time you do anyway.
While you have catastrophically bad life outcomes due to compounding failure.

Half tempted just to cancel all my surgeries, at this point looks aren’t the cause of my misery, it’s the effects of being ugly for the last two decades that can never be undone.

 

[soulless_npc]

And it’s over due to age by the time you do anyway.
While you have catastrophically bad life outcomes due to compounding failure.

Half tempted just to cancel all my surgeries, at this point looks aren’t the cause of my misery, it’s the effects of being ugly for the last two decades that can never be undone.

It's been said that whatever you feel about yourself, a girl will feel, and so for the last ten fucking years I've basically been telegraphing to women that I am essentially a 1 body count who hates himself for it and that has everything to do with being non NT because I can't reconcile the mental break in my head. It's like trying to run a race everyone else has a ten year head start on and you're the slowpoke.

People who really believe that "normal" people who get laid a lot, had to go through surgeries and shit to do it are out of their minds. IMO It has everything to do with not being NT, being ostracized/traumatized, not being well adjusted to different stimulus growing up and not being well adapted or having social rewards that actually make you want to socialize and participate in society.

 

[SennenHund]

I hate the word neurodivergent not because of its use in medical contexts as a descriptor, but because of how it has turned into a political sloganist get out of jail free card for lazy faggy bluehairs who want to turn every little problem into an excuse. I cant relate to girls with 60 piercings and freakhair who call themselves neurodivergent, but they are the new "face" of that word so thats who it gets associated with. This is why I think its better to learn to disguise nd traits if possible and "turn off and on" those traits when necessary rather than trying to cure or remove them. Nice post.

 

[Foreverbrad]

It's been said that whatever you feel about yourself, a girl will feel, and so for the last ten fucking years I've basically been telegraphing to women that I am essentially a 1 body count who hates himself for it and that has everything to do with being non NT because I can't reconcile the mental break in my head. It's like trying to run a race everyone else has a ten year head start on and you're the slowpoke.

People who really believe that "normal" people who get laid a lot, had to go through surgeries and shit to do it are out of their minds. IMO It has everything to do with not being NT, being ostracized/traumatized, not being well adjusted to different stimulus growing up and not being well adapted or having social rewards that actually make you want to socialize and participate in society.

Even if you became NT suddenly you’d still be missing all the financial and social capital that normies have accumulated by the same age.

Essentially if you can’t get surgeries in your early 20s there’s no point to even bother. Honestly at this point I recommend rope to anyone who doesn’t have a plan to achieve that.

 

[soulless_npc]

This is why I think its better to learn to disguise nd traits if possible and "turn off and on" those traits when necessary rather than trying to cure or remove them. Nice post.

As far as I can tell there's no real curing it, you can get real real good at disguising it, but if you have faulty wiring you have faulty wiring. I'm having to face the truth that I have always had faulty wiring. I don't believe this makes it impossible, but it puts you at a serious disadvantage.

Even if you became NT suddenly you’d still be missing all the financial and social capital that normies have accumulated by the same age.

It's pure ropeful that with all the shit I've been through I have nothing to show for my time except a bunch of stories about shit I've done and situations I've been in. Financially and socially I am starting out with the capital of a 21 year old at 31. As far as I can tell I will always be broke, living in one bedroom apartments, and looking up someone else's ass on the ladder of life, the same way I was growing up. Barring get a trade or really buckling down and going back to school, I don't believe I can ever financially get ahead.

 

[Theapeking]

And it’s over due to age by the time you do anyway.
While you have catastrophically bad life outcomes due to compounding failure.

Half tempted just to cancel all my surgeries, at this point looks aren’t the cause of my misery, it’s the effects of being ugly for the last two decades that can never be undone.

You should increse your confidence

 

[Foreverbrad]

It's pure ropeful that with all the shit I've been through I have nothing to show for my time except a bunch of stories about shit I've done and situations I've been in. Financially and socially I am starting out with the capital of a 21 year old at 31. As far as I can tell I will always be broke, living in one bedroom apartments, and looking up someone else's ass on the ladder of life, the same way I was growing up. Barring get a trade or really buckling down and going back to school, I don't believe I can ever financially get ahead.

Even if you go back to school or get a trade you’ll be starting from zero there too plus the time you waste in retraining so you’ll be competing with normies with over 15 years head start.
There is no way out of this trap. I think it’s better just to rope than to keep coping and feeding into this society which ruined us.

 

[soulless_npc]

Even if you go back to school or get a trade you’ll be starting from zero there too plus the time you waste in retraining so you’ll be competing with normies with over 15 years head start.
There is no way out of this trap. I think it’s better just to rope than to keep coping and feeding into this society which ruined us.

It's either rope, or give the middle finger to society and be a sociopath, and we know how well that works out for people

 

[Divineincel]

D

If you were coming from an ND background and that's assuming you ever become NT

There's just too many layers to sift through

First you go through extreme depression and apathy after disowning aspects of yourself as a ND, then as an adult you have to dissect how how much of your response to things is a childhood trauma/pain response and how much it accurately reflects reality, because until you do you're really seeing the world more thru the lens of trauma and despair than how it actually is

Then if you have anxiety you have to find the root cause and mitigate that before you can even put yourself out there, because when you're blocked and stifled you can't make any real meaningful connection with anyone and you're living on the defensive/reactive rather than the proactive, and anxiety tbh never really goes away, there are always going to be situations that cause you anxiety

You're trying to live life through your own eyes in an authentic way and that means not living in delusion and being pulled around by mainstream thinking and your trauma response

And you go through all this simply to realize that all this work you just did on yourself is only to get you to the same baseline that normies were operating on since forever, you still don't have a distinct identity and you aren't interesting enough to most people for them to want to get to know you

Your life path is determined by what you live in reaction to and after you watch enough people you realize that being an incel isn't even an issue for a lot of guys, as there are men from all ages races body types and walks of life who succeed with women but they all have one thing in common and that's that they have good social skills (exceptions to this exist, sometimes ND people get with ND people but it's usually toxic)

Do you know what NT means? For the fuck’s sake? No, you can’t become NT, either you’re born that way or it is over for you. Social phobia isn’t being ND

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

I'm INTJ.

 

[SennenHund]

D

Do you know what NT means? For the fuck’s sake? No, you can’t become NT, either you’re born that way or it is over for you. Social phobia isn’t being ND

Exactly. Social phobia isnt necessarily ND.

 

[soulless_npc]

D

Do you know what NT means? For the fuck’s sake? No, you can’t become NT, either you’re born that way or it is over for you. Social phobia isn’t being ND

I just mean you can grow up fucked up, and if you actually work on yourself, you can be less fucked up, but maybe not to the point a normal person would. People have overcame far greater obstacles than me and I know that, which is why I feel like it would be pathetic of me to just give up and throw the rest of my life away.

Whether it's ND I guess I don't have definitive proof of other than being diagnosed bipolar, and if I only got diagnosed at 31 that means that I've been bipolar since early 20s which is when it starts.

 

[Foreverbrad]

I just mean you can grow up fucked up, and if you actually work on yourself, you can be less fucked up, but maybe not to the point a normal person would. People have overcame far greater obstacles than me and I know that, which is why I feel like it would be pathetic of me to just give up and throw the rest of my life away.

Many people did overcome obstacles, but they also lived in a world where you didn’t need to break into the top 10% or 5% just to obtain respect from other men or intimacy from women. Used to be just being around average was enough. Now even “average” has been massively inflated because every guy is grinding his life out trying to win this impossible competition.

It’s a very probable scenario that just giving up will lead to exactly the same outcome as if you put in maximum effort now - nothing.

 

[soulless_npc]

It’s a very probable scenario that just giving up will lead to exactly the same outcome as if you put in maximum effort now - nothing.

Especially if you just take the typical route of get a a regular job without trying anything different to get ahead because you will never get ahead.

These influencers and shit that you see don't have a clue what it's like to have to live that life, because they have never tasted desperation and necessity

And yet I'm the incel working who's worked my ass off in backbreaking jobs just like blue pill said to do and they're getting laid living in penthouses sailing yachts and whatever else they do at 21

Hard work and being a good person has nothing to do with any of this and is not rewarded in the ways bluepill says it is short of having a little more money in my bank account that is ultimately useless long term.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Especially if you just take the typical route of get a a regular job without trying anything different to get ahead because you will never get ahead.

These influencers and shit that you see don't have a clue what it's like to have to live that life, because they have never tasted desperation and necessity

And yet I'm the incel working who's worked my ass off in backbreaking jobs just like blue pill said to do and they're getting laid living in penthouses sailing yachts and whatever else they do at 21

Hard work and being a good person has nothing to do with any of this and is not rewarded in the ways bluepill says it is short of having a little more money in my bank account that is ultimately useless long term.

Anything different you try to get ahead will generally fail because of your personal brand being weak for exactly the same reasons everything else in your life went wrong.

Hard work gets you nothing except exploitation. I have the option to just rot at my parents for the rest of my life and not work and I am very close to taking it.

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

If you do it the retarded way

 

[Luquier]

Settling into non NT habits and thought processes is no joke tbh. Plus it adds up as you said.

Always fix your problems ASAP IMO, never let shit build up or you will fk ur future self over. Common sense yes but it’s easy to become apathetic over time

 

[sillybilly]

If you were coming from an ND background and that's assuming you ever become NT

There's just too many layers to sift through

First you go through extreme depression and apathy after disowning aspects of yourself as a ND, then as an adult you have to dissect how how much of your response to things is a childhood trauma/pain response and how much it accurately reflects reality, because until you do you're really seeing the world more thru the lens of trauma and despair than how it actually is

Then if you have anxiety you have to find the root cause and mitigate that before you can even put yourself out there, because when you're blocked and stifled you can't make any real meaningful connection with anyone and you're living on the defensive/reactive rather than the proactive, and anxiety tbh never really goes away, there are always going to be situations that cause you anxiety

You're trying to live life through your own eyes in an authentic way and that means not living in delusion and being pulled around by mainstream thinking and your trauma response

And you go through all this simply to realize that all this work you just did on yourself is only to get you to the same baseline that normies were operating on since forever, you still don't have a distinct identity and you aren't interesting enough to most people for them to want to get to know you

Your life path is determined by what you live in reaction to and after you watch enough people you realize that being an incel isn't even an issue for a lot of guys, as there are men from all ages races body types and walks of life who succeed with women but they all have one thing in common and that's that they have good social skills (exceptions to this exist, sometimes ND people get with ND people but it's usually toxic)

 

[soulless_npc]

Anything different you try to get ahead will generally fail because of your personal brand being weak for exactly the same reasons everything else in your life went wrong.

Hard work gets you nothing except exploitation. I have the option to just rot at my parents for the rest of my life and not work and I am very close to taking it.

I'm currently with mine but I've lived on my own and supported myself before

I'm not gonna die like this though, besides wageslaving there's no other option besides rope or apply for disability, and living off the system like a baby bird waiting for its mother to puke in your mouth cucks you so much there would be more dignity in just killing yourself IMO.

So I guess I'll just get a job in some shitty warehouse again and get a place to live and rot in peace, I'll be one of those old miserable fucks who have been there forever and is just held together by drugs and spite lol

 

[Foreverbrad]

apply for disability, and living off the system like a baby bird waiting for its mother to puke in your mouth cucks you so much there would be more dignity in just killing yourself IMO.

There’s even less dignity in being a wageslave. Honestly to me, this would be the best outcome as it’s fucking back the society that fucked us. But I’m not eligible for disability.

 

[soulless_npc]

There’s even less dignity in being a wageslave. Honestly to me, this would be the best outcome as it’s fucking back the society that fucked us. But I’m not eligible for disability.

They make it really tough I hear, I haven't even started the process because I always had a job until being out of work for a few months now. I'd have to go to a hearing and it could take a couple years and I'm not waiting that long for shit to happen

So it's back to the mines I go, feeling every day closer to the end and yet I haven't even lived a fraction of the life I wanted to. I feel so fucking empty and jealous, and I admit that. It's probably all my fault. O well

 

[Foreverbrad]

They make it really tough I hear, I haven't even started the process because I always had a job until being out of work for a few months now. I'd have to go to a hearing and it could take a couple years and I'm not waiting that long for shit to happen

So it's back to the mines I go, feeling every day closer to the end and yet I haven't even lived a fraction of the life I wanted to. I feel so fucking empty and jealous, and I admit that. It's probably all my fault. O well

They make it virtually impossible. Ironically you are probably too non-NT to be able to fraud the hearing like the chav normies do. I feel the same way - it’s not your fault, it’s the blackpill.

 

[Alexg_lover]

Low key dnr but you cannot cure ND

High inhibition ≠ ND

 

[soulless_npc]

They make it virtually impossible. Ironically you are probably too non-NT to be able to fraud the hearing like the chav normies do. I feel the same way - it’s not your fault, it’s the blackpill.

Yeah I would have to really play it up and it would just be retarded. I'd feel like shit about myself doing that anyway. I know I'm capable of working, I just don't see hope of anything better and I'm demoralized. But that's a lot of people.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Yeah I would have to really play it up and it would just be retarded. I'd feel like shit about myself doing that anyway. I know I'm capable of working, I just don't see hope of anything better and I'm demoralized. But that's a lot of people.

We are working as slaves, the money we get only pays basic survival and on top of it we’re denied basic human needs of love and intimacy. The average normie wageslave at lest doesn’t have to deal with the last part.

 

[soulless_npc]

We are working as slaves, the money we get only pays basic survival and on top of it we’re denied basic human needs of love and intimacy. The average normie wageslave at lest doesn’t have to deal with the last part.

I'd be ok with just having a shitty job but getting some pussy like a normie wageslave. But that in and of itself shows how low the bar is. It shouldn't ever have been so much of a problem in the first place, and if it hadn't been I would be on to bigger and better things.

This is why I think more guys are dropping college than girls btw, girls get sex in college, the guys don't, and without that validation they just sorta drift the way I did. Maybe that's a bullshit theory but why do men do anything?

 

[Foreverbrad]

I'd be ok with just having a shitty job but getting some pussy like a normie wageslave. But that in and of itself shows how low the bar is. It shouldn't ever have been so much of a problem in the first place, and if it hadn't been I would be on to bigger and better things.

This is why I think more guys are dropping college than girls btw, girls get sex in college, the guys don't, and without that validation they just sorta drift the way I did. Maybe that's a bullshit theory but why do men do anything?

Absolutely. I could have achieved so much if my ex had just been loyal, but there is no such thing as a loyal foid.

The only way I finished university was because I got a gf. I was about to fail all my classes. That’s all it took. I was a straight A student from then on.

Now I’m incel again and looking at quitting my job because I just can’t bear this life any more. I’ve done everything that was asked of me and I’ve been given nothing that was promised.

 

[soulless_npc]

Absolutely. I could have achieved so much if my ex had just been loyal, but there is no such thing as a loyal foid.

The only way I finished university was because I got a gf. I was about to fail all my classes. That’s all it took. I was a straight A student from then on.

Now I’m incel again and looking at quitting my job because I just can’t bear this life any more. I’ve done everything that was asked of me and I’ve been given nothing that was promised.

I'm very sorry to hear that

I feel the same way, I've done and endured a lot of shit, in many ways more so than people who used to be my peers who just went right through school, and you would think that character development alone would help you in finding someone, but muh personality, this is really about status and influence and money at this point.

And I could've amounted to more than I probably will if I could have just gotten some sort of indication that my effort wasn't entirely in vain. Otherwise it's just putting coins in a slot machine that has no indication it will pay out.

Someone thought I was 20s yesterday, I feel like getting the hell out of here moving to a different city assuming a new identity and larping as say 5-6 years younger so I can try to recapture the life that I should have had at that age, but that in and of itself is kind of sad and delusional

 

[Foreverbrad]

Someone thought I was 20s yesterday, I feel like getting the hell out of here moving to a different city assuming a new identity and larping as say 5-6 years younger so I can try to recapture the life that I should have had at that age, but that in and of itself is kind of sad and delusional

This is essentially my own plan. I think we have to accept that our lives are sad and to expect them to get better without doing something drastic like this is delusional. We are currently on a track which leads only to our doom.

It’s bitterly unfair that age is the yardstick by which all your accomplishments in life are measured regardless of how setback your beginnings were. The only silver lining here is that because it’s arbitrary it’s relatively easy to fraud.

 

[soulless_npc]

This is essentially my own plan. I think we have to accept that our lives are sad and to expect them to get better without doing something drastic like this is delusional. We are currently on a track which leads only to our doom.

It’s bitterly unfair that age is the yardstick by which all your accomplishments in life are measured regardless of how setback your beginnings were. The only silver lining here is that because it’s arbitrary it’s relatively easy to fraud.

Also allegedly gen Z looks old for their age so there's that, you and I are technically millennials lol

I say go for it and do what makes you happiest, life is too damn short. When life never gave you a fair chance all rules are arbitrary. What works for other people doesn't work for us and that's consistent across the board with ND people and self professed late bloomers.

My life has been right place wrong time or vice versa and I don't want to find out the heartbreak of going another ten years like this so I'll do whatever I can to make up for lost time.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Also allegedly gen Z looks old for their age so there's that, you and I are technically millennials lol

I say go for it and do what makes you happiest, life is too damn short. When life never gave you a fair chance all rules are arbitrary. What works for other people doesn't work for us and that's consistent across the board with ND people and self professed late bloomers.

My life has been right place wrong time or vice versa and I don't want to find out the heartbreak of going another ten years like this so I'll do whatever I can to make up for lost time.

Yeah in ten years I’ll be 42 and the thought of that almost makes me want to just end my life immediately.

A second chance may be possible by breaking the rules but there is certainly not going to be a second chance on the second chance.

I am still wasting time wageslaving, rotting, waiting for surgeries. This should all have been finished by now. It’s very depressing.

 

[User28823]

me after becoming NT

 

[soulless_npc]

A second chance may be possible by breaking the rules but there is certainly not going to be a second chance on the second chance.

Fr and that's why I'm considering it from all angles, I have a lot of PTSD and shit to work through that I've only recently realized is cucking me.

I've been shut down socially for so long that I yearn for the feeling of what it's like to walk through the world with ease, age brings wisdom but it also brings being cynical of people due to your past experiences. But this is itself a bias that can act as a self fulfilling prophecy, women and anyone else can feel the way that you do about yourself whether that's positive or negative.

And when you're an abused dog I believe you just project that you're an abused dog and then the way that people react to you (negatively) only further reinforces the cycle.

I believe it's an inside-out approach, you can always change the outside but changing the inside can be far more difficult, yes the outside matters a lot but you have to be more than that to have a lasting impact.

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

I became NT in 1,5 years with no effort

 

[Whiteboard7]

If you were coming from an ND background and that's assuming you ever become NT

There's just too many layers to sift through

First you go through extreme depression and apathy after disowning aspects of yourself as a ND, then as an adult you have to dissect how how much of your response to things is a childhood trauma/pain response and how much it accurately reflects reality, because until you do you're really seeing the world more thru the lens of trauma and despair than how it actually is

Then if you have anxiety you have to find the root cause and mitigate that before you can even put yourself out there, because when you're blocked and stifled you can't make any real meaningful connection with anyone and you're living on the defensive/reactive rather than the proactive, and anxiety tbh never really goes away, there are always going to be situations that cause you anxiety

You're trying to live life through your own eyes in an authentic way and that means not living in delusion and being pulled around by mainstream thinking and your trauma response

And you go through all this simply to realize that all this work you just did on yourself is only to get you to the same baseline that normies were operating on since forever, you still don't have a distinct identity and you aren't interesting enough to most people for them to want to get to know you

Your life path is determined by what you live in reaction to and after you watch enough people you realize that being an incel isn't even an issue for a lot of guys, as there are men from all ages races body types and walks of life who succeed with women but they all have one thing in common and that's that they have good social skills (exceptions to this exist, sometimes ND people get with ND people but it's usually toxic)

Sad but true

 

[GuyFromSingapore]

Especially if you just take the typical route of get a a regular job without trying anything different to get ahead because you will never get ahead.

These influencers and shit that you see don't have a clue what it's like to have to live that life, because they have never tasted desperation and necessity

And yet I'm the incel working who's worked my ass off in backbreaking jobs just like blue pill said to do and they're getting laid living in penthouses sailing yachts and whatever else they do at 21

Hard work and being a good person has nothing to do with any of this and is not rewarded in the ways bluepill says it is short of having a little more money in my bank account that is ultimately useless long term.

Feel sorry for you Bhai.

 

[PoopyFaceTomatoNose]

If you were coming from an ND background and that's assuming you ever become NT

There's just too many layers to sift through

First you go through extreme depression and apathy after disowning aspects of yourself as a ND, then as an adult you have to dissect how how much of your response to things is a childhood trauma/pain response and how much it accurately reflects reality, because until you do you're really seeing the world more thru the lens of trauma and despair than how it actually is

Then if you have anxiety you have to find the root cause and mitigate that before you can even put yourself out there, because when you're blocked and stifled you can't make any real meaningful connection with anyone and you're living on the defensive/reactive rather than the proactive, and anxiety tbh never really goes away, there are always going to be situations that cause you anxiety

You're trying to live life through your own eyes in an authentic way and that means not living in delusion and being pulled around by mainstream thinking and your trauma response

And you go through all this simply to realize that all this work you just did on yourself is only to get you to the same baseline that normies were operating on since forever, you still don't have a distinct identity and you aren't interesting enough to most people for them to want to get to know you

Your life path is determined by what you live in reaction to and after you watch enough people you realize that being an incel isn't even an issue for a lot of guys, as there are men from all ages races body types and walks of life who succeed with women but they all have one thing in common and that's that they have good social skills (exceptions to this exist, sometimes ND people get with ND people but it's usually toxic)

You can't "become" NT. You are either born one or you aren't.