It was never about being tall + roided

[6ft4]

It was always about being tall with a high caloric consumption while being gymcelled

I swear just having a high caloric intake to have a full looking frame while burning off any potential fat gain thanks to fuelling your muscles via gymcelling is the key

Looking like you're "well fed" really is important if you're going down the masc appeal route of being physically imposing

For years I had a low caloric intake and low bodyweight out of laziness and because it allows me to feel less sluggish, but the benefits of feeling imposing thanks to gymcelling on a high caloric intake is worth the sluggishness trade off

I will semi contradict myself by getting on roids anyway for the libido benefits and extra size gains but at least I have experienced mogger size as a natty for a short span of time

 

[random subhuman]

It was always about being tall with a high caloric consumption while being gymcelled

I swear just having a high caloric intake to have a full looking frame while burning off any potential fat gain thanks to fuelling your muscles via gymcelling is the key

Looking like you're "well fed" really is important if you're going down the masc appeal route of being physically imposing

For years I had a low caloric intake and low bodyweight out of laziness and because it allows me to feel less sluggish, but the benefits of feeling imposing thanks to gymcelling on a high caloric intake is worth the sluggishness trade off

It didn't help my 6'4 bitch ass sadly

 

[CorinthianLOX]

True. Having a good frame is also essential for this.

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Roids are useless if we are looking to maximize the female gaze. Well exceptions do exist ; some older women, more mature dig the heavy muscle freaks.

 

[Saint Casanova]

Roids are useless if we are looking to maximize the female gaze. Well exceptions do exist ; some older women, more mature dig the heavy muscle freaks.

You must remember that most natties will look DYEL and unimpressive even after years at a low body fat.

Women think a higher body fat Momoa or Cavill is a regular gym body. The standards are very high to what people think a man who goes to the gym should look like.

Mild doses will absolutely help in the sense that you’ll look full and fit at a low body fat. This is especially important for those with avg genes.

 

[BR32]

Frame is law

Everything is predicated by genetics

 

[BR32]

You must remember that most natties will look DYEL and unimpressive even after years at a low body fat.

Women think a higher body fat Momoa or Cavill is a regular gym body. The standards are very high to what people think a man who goes to the gym should look like.

Mild doses will absolutely help in the sense that you’ll look full and fit at a low body fat. This is especially important for those with avg genes.

This is correct

Most people have poor genetics and are not consistent.

Looking full while being lean/dry and having a good amount of mass is the clear goal

Anabolics make this possible for most of us.

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

You must remember that most natties will look DYEL and unimpressive even after years at a low body fat.

Women think a higher body fat Momoa or Cavill is a regular gym body. The standards are very high to what people think a man who goes to the gym should look like.

Mild doses will absolutely help in the sense that you’ll look full and fit at a low body fat. This is especially important for those with avg genes.

Yes if used as a crutch in low dosages to compensate for average genes, I agree. However if you have a good frame, a natty lean can still impress the general population.. in certain outfits, on certain occasions (beach)..

 

[emogymmaxx]

just take tren at 16 to get a frame if you don’t have it

 

[BR32]

Yes if used as a crutch in low dosages to compensate for average genes, I agree. However if you have a good frame, a natty lean can still impress the general population.. in certain outfits, on certain occasions (beach)..

You can build more muscle natty than most people think.

However for you to actually look good requires good enough insertions and overall frame

some builds just always look bad

 

[Saint Casanova]

This is correct

Most people have poor genetics and are not consistent.

Looking full while being lean/dry and having a good amount of mass is the clear goal

Anabolics make this possible for most of us.

A natty can probably get to this but it won’t be easy at all for most.

 

[Saint Casanova]

You can build more muscle natty than most people think.

However for you to actually look good requires good enough insertions and overall frame

some builds just always look bad

IMO as long as you have straight or slightly upturned clavicles ( not downturned) you can build mass laterally and project a wider frame.

Most of the time, chicks will see you in clothes so can only judge your overall frame size and arms. Insertions are second to that

 

[BR32]

A natty can probably get to this but it won’t be easy at all for most.
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An example of an elite natural physique is TNF

obv hes also abusing lighting and angles but he's huge

 

[Saint Casanova]

just take tren at 16 to get a frame if you don’t have it

Again like I said, most of that growth will still just be muscle. Not actual bone.

 

[emogymmaxx]

Again like I said, most of that growth will still just be muscle. Not actual bone.

depends if bone is fused
which it normally isn’t till around 21-23 in healthy people
you can definitely grow clavicles with androgens

 

[Saint Casanova]

An example of an elite natural physique is TNF

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obv hes also abusing lighting and angles but he's huge

You think he’s 100% natty? If so those are some monster genes that he’s basically an outlier.

For me, the best natural physique that I know is 100% natty is Steve reeves.

 

[BR32]

IMO as long as you have straight or slightly upturned clavicles ( not downturned) you can build mass laterally and project a wider frame.

Most of the time, chicks will see you in clothes so can only judge your overall frame size and arms. Insertions are second to that

can you check my Fram and insertions

I'll send a few photos from different time periods w different amounts of muscle

 

[BR32]

You think he’s 100% natty? If so those are some monster genes that he’s basically an outlier.

For me, the best natural physique that I know is 100% natty is Steve reeves.

I optimistically believe that TNF is natty (I could be a retard)

There are always genetic outliers but theres also lots of people w solid genetics on gear claiming natty too

 

[Saint Casanova]

depends if bone is fused
which is normally isn’t till around 21-23 in healthy people
you can definitely grow clavicles with androgens

Yes but you won’t really be able to surpass your set genetic frame. You’ll just likely guarantee you’ll reach it.

Look at most popular fitness influencers who roided young. They don’t have a particularly wide frame due to bone. A natural semi pro swimmer frame mogs them to death.

 

[Saint Casanova]

can you check my Fram and insertions

I'll send a few photos from different time periods w different amounts of muscle

Sure dm

 

[emogymmaxx]

Yes but you won’t really be able to surpass your set genetic frame. You’ll just likely guarantee you’ll reach it.

Look at most popular fitness influencers who roided young. They don’t have a particularly wide frame due to bone. A natural semi pro swimmer frame mogs them to death.

just pin and pray i guess
life is a game
best to play the best play you can

 

[Saint Casanova]

just pin and pray i guess
life is a game
best to play the best play you can

This was Orc’s transformation in his late 20s.

Most will say he’s actual frame grew but it’s just muscle.

 

[emogymmaxx]

This was Orc’s transformation in his late 20s.

Most will say he’s actual frame grew but it’s just muscle.
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definitely bone growth in 1st and 2nd pictures wdym
or is more 2nd to 3rd

 

[Saint Casanova]

definitely bone growth in 1st and 2nd pictures wdym
or is more 2nd to 3rd

It’s not. It’s just posture differences and muscle.. All the raw bone sizes are the same between all these photos

 

[BeardedUnicorn]

It was always about being tall with a high caloric consumption while being gymcelled

I swear just having a high caloric intake to have a full looking frame while burning off any potential fat gain thanks to fuelling your muscles via gymcelling is the key

Looking like you're "well fed" really is important if you're going down the masc appeal route of being physically imposing

For years I had a low caloric intake and low bodyweight out of laziness and because it allows me to feel less sluggish, but the benefits of feeling imposing thanks to gymcelling on a high caloric intake is worth the sluggishness trade off

I will semi contradict myself by getting on roids anyway for the libido benefits and extra size gains but at least I have experienced mogger size as a natty for a short span of time

Does this apply for manlets (over)