It's ironic the wahhabi Christians of Europe (Oliver Cromwell, Martin Luther) gave impetus to secular liberalism

[SecularIslamist]

They literally cleared the path for liberalism. One of the greatest ironies of history. Both of them had an unusual respect for Islam and Muslims too unlike their fellow adverseries. They knew the enemies were the godless materialistic Jews.

Is it surprising we are seeing the same Hegelian dialectic play out once again. They thought they were saving Christianity in the end they basically killed it off. Inadvertently so. They didn't live to see the day.

Copers (@PrinceLuenLeoncur) believe Islam will play out the same way and when you look at Turkey and Saudi it's easy to say yes perhaps that's true. One extreme plays into the hands of the other. I kind of agree they are beyond repair. But that's not the case elsewhere. Thankfully Islam has no cuckish pope, leader and even when they had "caliphs" (more political and ceremonial) they were constantly challenged and many opposing caliphs - it's inherently symbolic religiously given the ulema (scholars) who they were at odds with throughout history. It's like it's in our DNA to be political. Islam is more decentralised than Bitcoin maxis can dream of. Not to mention there is no reform (shirk) in Islam only renovation (tajdid). It has adapted to changing societies unlike Christianity which Europeans had to throw off in order to ascend.

 

[Depresso]

They literally cleared the path for liberalism. One of the greatest ironies of history. Both of them had an unusual respect for Islam and Muslims too unlike their fellow adverseries. They knew the enemies were the godless materialistic Jews.

Is it surprising we are seeing the same Hegelian dialectic play out once again. They thought they were saving Christianity in the end they basically killed it off. Inadvertently so. They didn't live to see the day.

Copers (@PrinceLuenLeoncur) believe Islam will play out the same way and when you look at Turkey and Saudi it's easy to say yes perhaps that's true. One extreme plays into the hands of the other. I kind of agree they are beyond repair. But that's not the case elsewhere. Thankfully Islam has no cuckish pope, leader and even when they had "caliphs" (more political and ceremonial) they were constantly challenged and many opposing caliphs - it's inherently symbolic religiously given the ulema (scholars) who they were at odds with throughout history. It's like it's in our DNA to be political. Islam is more decentralised than Bitcoin maxis can dream of. Not to mention there is no reform (shirk) in Islam only renovation (tajdid). It has adapted to changing societies unlike Christianity which Europeans had to throw off in order to ascend.

How?

 

[Depresso]

They literally cleared the path for liberalism. One of the greatest ironies of history. Both of them had an unusual respect for Islam and Muslims too unlike their fellow adverseries. They knew the enemies were the godless materialistic Jews.

Is it surprising we are seeing the same Hegelian dialectic play out once again. They thought they were saving Christianity in the end they basically killed it off. Inadvertently so. They didn't live to see the day.

Copers (@PrinceLuenLeoncur) believe Islam will play out the same way and when you look at Turkey and Saudi it's easy to say yes perhaps that's true. One extreme plays into the hands of the other. I kind of agree they are beyond repair. But that's not the case elsewhere. Thankfully Islam has no cuckish pope, leader and even when they had "caliphs" (more political and ceremonial) they were constantly challenged and many opposing caliphs - it's inherently symbolic religiously given the ulema (scholars) who they were at odds with throughout history. It's like it's in our DNA to be political. Islam is more decentralised than Bitcoin maxis can dream of. Not to mention there is no reform (shirk) in Islam only renovation (tajdid). It has adapted to changing societies unlike Christianity which Europeans had to throw off in order to ascend.

Also isn't Iran and Saudi going through religious burnout?

 

[mentally_ill_chad]

To much effort for .org perhaps? Niggas here think about going on an ice cream with gio scotti, this shit is too complex for tem

 

[SecularIslamist]

How?

Cromwell was in favour of democracy and anti-monarchist. Also a religious pluralist towards other religions except other Christian. Luther was an individualist who basically thought every low IQ dumb nigga should hold the pope to account and had their own intellect.

These ideas in retrospect were "radical" but a modern version of them today is basically a liberal.

Also isn't Iran and Saudi going through religious burnout?

Yeah they are cozying up. Probably more Iran than Saudi. Iran got weakened AF last fews years especially since Assad, Hamas and Hezbollah. They took decades to build this network.

 

[Depresso]

Yeah they are cozying up. Probably more Iran than Saudi. Iran got weakened AF last fews years especially since Assad, Hamas and Hezbollah. They took decades to build this network.

The Iranian population is having anti-hijab protests. They are getting less interested in religion and foreign affairs after having religion-maxxed.

 

[SecularIslamist]

The Iranian population is having anti-hijab protests. They are getting less interested in religion and foreign affairs after having religion-maxxed.

Here's the thing. They were always non-religious (at least in the 20th century). What you have always had in Iran since 1979 is a clique of religious elites that seized power.

In most Muslim countries (in fact nearly every single one) the elites are usually secular authoritarian liberals. Educated or inspired by the West. And believe in some made up ideology (e.g.. Baathism) that hasn't served them any good as much as the retarded jihadi radicals - who they always fearmonger about.

 

[Depresso]

Here's the thing. They were always non-religious (at least in the 20th century). What you have always had in Iran since 1979 is a clique of religious elites that seized power.

In most Muslim countries (in fact nearly every single one) the elites are usually secular authoritarian liberals. Educated or inspired by the West. And believe in some made up ideology (e.g.. Baathism) that hasn't served them any good as much as the retarded jihadi radicals - who they always fearmonger about.

Authoritarian liberal sounds like an oxymoron. Which sense of the word are you using here?

 

[SecularIslamist]

Authoritarian liberal sounds like an oxymoron. Which sense of the word are you using here?

Liberal ideologically (socially progressive) but authoritarian in grip of power and shutting down dissent/opposing ideas, banning hijabs, personality cult etc.

 

[Depresso]

Here's the thing. They were always non-religious (at least in the 20th century). What you have always had in Iran since 1979 is a clique of religious elites that seized power.

Revolutions never fully turn out as expected

Liberal ideologically (socially progressive) but authoritarian in grip of power and shutting down dissent/opposing ideas, banning hijabs, personality cult etc.

Western educated mini caliphs

 

[gymceltard]

Can we please not have cringe 10 page religious debates on an incel forum

 

[Snicket]

Can we please not have cringe 10 page religious debates on an incel forum

It's total dogshit too by the way but that makes it even funnier.

 

[Snicket]

Cromwell was in favour of democracy and anti-monarchist. Also a religious pluralist towards other religions except other Christian. Luther was an individualist who basically thought every low IQ dumb nigga should hold the pope to account and had their own intellect.

These ideas in retrospect were "radical" but a modern version of them today is basically a liberal.


Yeah they are cozying up. Probably more Iran than Saudi. Iran got weakened AF last fews years especially since Assad, Hamas and Hezbollah. They took decades to build this network.

Cromwell was not a democrat. He was unambiguously a military dictator.
If you can't get that right, might as well go home.

 

[truthhurts]

Liberal ideologically (socially progressive) but authoritarian in grip of power and shutting down dissent/opposing ideas, banning hijabs, personality cult etc.

I don’t think most women wear hijabs entirely by choice. More often, they’re persuaded or pressured by their households, especially by strict religious parents. You can usually tell they’d prefer to live a more Westernized lifestyle, but it’s the men around them who hold them back. A lot of that comes down to the fact that many of those men just aren't very attractive so they compensate with control.
You can see it in the way women tend to lean liberal, while men are more likely to vote conservative. The divide is obvious.

 

[SecularIslamist]

Cromwell was not a democrat. He was unambiguously a military dictator.
If you can't get that right, might as well go home.

He opposed the absolute power of the monarchy. He was was in favour of a constitution. Not "democracy" in the modern context but laid the seeds for it

 

[Snicket]

He opposed the absolute power of the monarchy. He was was in favour of a constitution.

And became a military dictator himself. He appointed his own son as his successor.

Not "democracy" in the modern context but laid the seeds for it

Edit: No I don't agree. The seeds were laid way back with the Magna carta.
The foundation for a constitutional monarchy was laid though.

 

[SecularIslamist]

I don’t think most women wear hijabs entirely by choice. More often, they’re persuaded or pressured by their households, especially by strict religious parents. You can usually tell they’d prefer to live a more Westernized lifestyle, but it’s the men around them who hold them back. A lot of that comes down to the fact that many of those men just aren't very attractive so they compensate with control.
You can see it in the way women tend to lean liberal, while men are more likely to vote conservative. The divide is obvious.

The idea that the default is women not wearing headscarves is also bullshit and ahistorical. Social conditioning works both ways - no one is immune. I wear Nike and trousers, if I was in Iraq I'd wear those dresses and a turban. You get the point.

Actually just a point on headcovering while it's seen a sign of backwardness and oppression, and oriental - which is another modernist lense and completely false because in many societies it was seen as a sign of nobility and status. Not to mention Christcucks had their women on lockdown far more than Muslims and they considered Muslims the degen ones historically.

And became a military dictator himself. He appointed his own son as his successor.

Who wasn't a dictator? The word 'democracy" and what it means now Vs back then are two different things. In retrospect he was the democratic force of his time and believed people (and god) not the crown were the source of authority.

Edit: No I don't agree. The seeds were laid way back with the Magna carta.
The foundation for a constitutional monarchy was laid though.

We can go back to Athens and the stone age when a group of neanderthal decided to listen to a plurality.

 

[Snicket]

Who wasn't a dictator? The word 'democracy" and what it means now Vs back then are two different things. In retrospect he was the democratic force of his time and believed people (and god) not the crown were the source of authority.

I'm not playing word games with you. You said he was in favour of democracy when in practice he patently was not.
His rule ended up being more dictatorial than under King Charles I by the standards of the time.

We can go back to Athens and the stone age when a group of neanderthal decided to listen to a plurality.

We're talking English history here. You read like an LLM.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

They literally cleared the path for liberalism. One of the greatest ironies of history. Both of them had an unusual respect for Islam and Muslims too unlike their fellow adverseries. They knew the enemies were the godless materialistic Jews.

Is it surprising we are seeing the same Hegelian dialectic play out once again. They thought they were saving Christianity in the end they basically killed it off. Inadvertently so. They didn't live to see the day.

Copers (@PrinceLuenLeoncur) believe Islam will play out the same way and when you look at Turkey and Saudi it's easy to say yes perhaps that's true. One extreme plays into the hands of the other. I kind of agree they are beyond repair. But that's not the case elsewhere. Thankfully Islam has no cuckish pope, leader and even when they had "caliphs" (more political and ceremonial) they were constantly challenged and many opposing caliphs - it's inherently symbolic religiously given the ulema (scholars) who they were at odds with throughout history. It's like it's in our DNA to be political. Islam is more decentralised than Bitcoin maxis can dream of. Not to mention there is no reform (shirk) in Islam only renovation (tajdid). It has adapted to changing societies unlike Christianity which Europeans had to throw off in order to ascend.

These idiots were Protestants not wahabbis lmfao Protestants are literally the most Liberal of the religion they are ultra reformist innovators. Eastern Christian’s mainly Eastern and oriental orthodox are the “Salafi” equivalents for Christianity but unlike Islam where fundamentalism is subhuman due to true Islam (Salafism/Wahabbism) being shit even for other Muslims well for Christians fundamentalism is good making our fundamentalisfs the goood guys so it’s inverted when looking into both religions


Even the concept of the “CUCKED POPE” as you put it, that Roman Catholics have is liberal and an innovation not found anywhere in the first 1k years of the religion and is a high medieval innovation proving my point. Liberal Christianity is “Western Christianity” true Christianity is Eastern as we NEVER change shit for anybody we are unapologetic in our faith and never compromise for anybody any Christian who wants to take the religion seriously knows the true church is holy Orthodoxy

Our version of wahabbism is ironically the correct way for our religion and good. Christian fundentalism is a net positive for the world and it’s true traditional Christianity everything that stands in opposition to the 300 year old Bid’ah innovation called protescuckism which was a rebellion against an older Innovation called Roman Catholicism

Islamic fundementalism aka true Islam is a net negative to the world so much that even the avg Muslim doesn’t wanna go back to true Islam which is Salafi Wahabbiasm just goes to show her shit Islam is as a religion that true orthodox Islam is poo poo so they need innovation to fix it.

@mentally_ill_chad @truthhurts @Depresso

 

[SecularIslamist]

These idiots were Protestants not wahabbis lmfao Protestants are literally the most Liberal of the religion they are ultra reformist innovators.

Yes but that's not my point. They were not originally liberal.

Eastern Christian’s mainly Eastern and oriental orthodox are the “Salafi” equivalents for Christianity but unlike Islam where fundamentalism is subhuman due to true Islam (Salafism/Wahabbism) being shit even for other Muslims well for Christians fundamentalism is good making our fundamentalisfs the goood guys so it’s inverted when looking into both religions

Our version of wahabbism is ironically the correct way for our religion and good. Christian fundentalism is a net positive for the world and it’s true traditional Christianity everything that stands in opposition to the 300 year old Bid’ah innovation called protescuckism which was a rebellion against an older Innovation called Roman Catholicism

Islamic fundementalism aka true Islam is a net negative to the world so much that even the avg Muslim doesn’t wanna go back to true Islam which is Salafi Wahabbiasm just goes to show her shit Islam is as a religion that true orthodox Islam is poo poo so they need innovation to fix it.

@mentally_ill_chad @truthhurts @Depresso

Salafism is as much if a heresy as Luther. Find me a Salafi before 18th century. And don't say in Taymiyyah who was a fringe figure anyway and he didn't even exist before this word was even used. Neither did Wahhabism which is Saudi state religiously clerical heresy - which is all but gone because no religious Saudi = no Wahhabism.

 

[truthhurts]

These idiots were Protestants not wahabbis lmfao Protestants are literally the most Liberal of the religion they are ultra reformist innovators. Eastern Christian’s mainly Eastern and oriental orthodox are the “Salafi” equivalents for Christianity but unlike Islam where fundamentalism is subhuman due to true Islam (Salafism/Wahabbism) being shit even for other Muslims well for Christians fundamentalism is good making our fundamentalisfs the goood guys so it’s inverted when looking into both religions


Even the concept of the Pope the way Roman Catholics have him is liberal and an innovation not found anywhere in the first 1k years of the religion and is a high medieval innovation proving my point. Liberal Christianity is “Western Christianity” true Christianity is Eastern as we NEVER change shit for anybody we are unapologetic in our faith and never compromise for anybody any Christian who wants to take the religion seriously knows the true church is holy Orthodoxy

Our version of wahabbism is ironically the correct way for our religion and good. Christian fundentalism is a net positive for the world and it’s true traditional Christianity everything that stands in opposition to the 300 year old Bid’ah innovation called protescuckism which was a rebellion against an older Innovation called Roman Catholicism

Islamic fundementalism aka true Islam is a net negative to the world so much that even the avg Muslim doesn’t wanna go back to true Islam which is Salafi Wahabbiasm just goes to show her shit Islam is as a religion that true orthodox Islam is poo poo so they need innovation to fix it.

@mentally_ill_chad @truthhurts @Depresso

Despite being religious, I detach from it day by day, as I seek knowledge,
I think I am more nihilistic
Everything originates from Mystery Babylon.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Bad

Yes but that's not my point. They were not originally liberal.


Salafism is as much if a heresy as Luther. Find me a Salafi before 18th century. And don't say in Taymiyyah who was a fringe figure anyway and he didn't even exist before this word was even used. Neither did Wahhabism which is Saudi state religiously clerical heresy - which is all but gone because no religious Saudi = no Wahhabism.

all Bid’ah is liberal

Any deviation from the truth due to man’s hubris is “liberal” so yes god gave these innovators what they deserve. Protestants literally hail these faggots and they are known as the “Great Reformers” these idiots celebrate these faggots diverting and changing the religion you cannot make this up

You cannot get more liberal than this, if they can change the religion what’s to prevent random protesCUCKs today from changing it to fit “with the times broooo” and have LGBTQ Flags and shit. This is why I say western Christianity is doomed, esp Protestantism they can’t even stand up to lgbtq liberalism how TF do these dickheads expect to defeat Islam FFS this is hilarious to see

Orthodoxy has been tried and tested we have weathered every storm be it Pagan Islam, pagan Mongols and Slavic tribes, be it Roman persecution, be it the Pagan Turk Mohammedens, be it the Communist apostate Gaytheists we have weathered and withstood them all and not changed ANYTHING a single time and we only double down to tell the infidel that they are vile infidels.



Salafism isn’t like Lutherism Salafisim is literally based on returning back to what the Sahaba Tabi and first 3 gens of the religion believed in. Literally do a fucking Google search why am I teaching you about your own Cults history. Sure modern Salafism is new but the beliefs and concepts are all rooted in the original beliefs of the Muslims even if the movement today is new.

Just because nobody said they were “Salafi” doesn’t mean the ideology wasn’t alive before. The early followers of your cult leader had beliefs that would align closest with Salafism than any other Aqeedah and that’s A FACT.

Your branch of Roman Catholicism (Shia + Mutazilite) was the first true innovation within Islam and that’s A FACT happened once the Pagan Arabs conquered Roman lands and got their hands on Greek Texts

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Can we please not have cringe 10 page religious debates on an incel forum

Fuck off then. This is offtopic if you don’t like the topic don’t enter the thread you retard

 

[truthhurts]

Fuck off then. This is offtopic if you don’t like the topic don’t enter the thread you retard

Has your situation improved at all, heard from the last time that you were NEETing

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Has your situation improved at all, heard from the last time that you were NEETing

A bit but I’m still neetmaxxing. Though I have handed in 2 applications this week and one interview I had today went very well

 

[SecularIslamist]

Bad

all Bid’ah is liberal

Any deviation from the truth due to man’s hubris is “liberal” so yes god gave these innovators what they deserve. Protestants literally hail these faggots and they are known as the “Great Reformers” these idiots celebrate these faggots diverting and changing the religion you cannot make this up

Thats not a what bidah there is actually 'good bidah'. Unlike Christianity Islam is a reformative religion.

You cannot get more liberal than this, if they can change the religion what’s to prevent random protesCUCKs today from changing it to fit “with the times broooo” and have LGBTQ Flags and shit. This is why I say western Christianity is doomed, esp Protestantism they can’t even stand up to lgbtq liberalism how TF do these dickheads expect to defeat Islam FFS this is hilarious to see

Orthodoxy has been tried and tested we have weathered every storm be it Pagan Islam, pagan Mongols and Slavic tribes, be it Roman persecution, be it the Pagan Turk Mohammedens, be it the Communist apostate Gaytheists we have weathered and withstood them all and not changed ANYTHING a single time and we only double down to tell the infidel that they are vile infidels.

You haven't changed yet Orthodogs are slutting out, churches are empty and Jesus is like a meme figure.

Salafism isn’t like Lutherism Salafisim is literally based on returning back to what the Sahaba Tabi and first 3 gens of the religion believed in. Literally do a fucking Google search why am I teaching you about your own Cults history. Sure modern Salafism is new but the beliefs and concepts are all rooted in the original beliefs of the Muslims even if the movement today is new.

Just because nobody said they were “Salafi” doesn’t mean the ideology wasn’t alive before. The early followers of your cult leader had beliefs that would align closest with Salafism than any other Aqeedah and that’s A FACT.

What are you talking about following the salaf is following the way established by the early companions and prophet. It's strictly a Sunni perspective but the entire "Salafi" movement today is a break from classical and traditional Sunni Islam.

Your branch of Roman Catholicism (Shia + Mutazilite) was the first true innovation within Islam and that’s A FACT happened once the Pagan Arabs conquered Roman lands and got their hands on Greek Texts

Shias existed prior and if you think mutazilites were 'liberal' you are simply giving a modernist reading of them..

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Thats not a what bidah there is actually 'good bidah'. Unlike Christianity Islam is a reformative religion.

You haven't changed yet Orthodogs are slutting out, churches are empty and Jesus is like a meme figure.

What are you talking about following the salaf is following the way established by the early companions and prophet. It's strictly a Sunni perspective but the entire "Salafi" movement today is a break from classical and traditional Sunni Islam.

Shias existed prior and if you think mutazilites were 'liberal' you are simply giving a modernist reading of them..

If Islams a reformative religion then there’s no the ground to stand on. Sure even high churches have guidelines that are to be tackled on case by case basis which isn’t bidah but remedial and varies by bishop to bishop location but that’s already written into the faith and allowed


However genuine reform as in you can do what you want just means your religion is a fucking Bid’ah joke no wonder salafis hate all of you Muntafiqs I’m on their side here. True Islam is Salafism

Go to an orthodox country and say “Jesus is gay” I dare you Mohammeden pagan dog and see how quickly we put your filthy pagan head on a pole if love to see you do it even in the most liberal countries like Russia and Bulgaria. Please do jt

And how our our churches empty? In the UK last week on pascha vigil my church (which is small in size) had 200 converts from Halifax in one day yes 200 a group of Protestants from another church (Evanglical converted)

In America we went from 700k to 4.5 million in the span of 4 years and 80% of that are converts such as myself

Keep crying we are growing faster than Shitslam and your gay faggot Mohammed

 

[SecularIslamist]

If Islams a reformative religion then there’s no the ground to stand on. Sure even high churches have guidelines that are to be tackled on case by case basis which isn’t bidah but remedial and varies by bishop to bishop location but that’s already written into the faith and allowed

You dont get it. Christians never mogged or led civilisation. This is why euros clamour about their past greco-roman pagan "heritage". You can make a case for the Byzantines but the schism meant they never reclaimed the past glory. Muslims really took the torch and led the way until they too become cucked in the last couple hundred years.

Christianity has never done anything. It's never been at the forefront of civilisation it had to be casted aside. This is unlike not only Islam, but Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and paganism itself.

However genuine reform as in you can do what you want just means your religion is a fucking Bid’ah joke no wonder salafis hate all of you Muntafiqs I’m on their side here. True Islam is Salafism

You can keep claiming salafism is true Islam you're well aware by your own term it represents hardly any Muslims and never historically did.

Go to an orthodox country and say “Jesus is gay” I dare you Mohammeden pagan dog and see how quickly we put your filthy pagan head on a pole if love to see you do it even in the most liberal countries like Russia and Bulgaria. Please do jt

Well I wouldn't say that anyway. But you can ask Ruskis yourself



You act like Russia (ex commie country) is some kind of religious paradise but they haven't given a fuck about religion for the last 100+ years.

Go to literally ANY Muslim country (except ironically except ex soviet ones) none of them would answer like this. Not even Muslims from.... (may God forgive me for saying this) Albania.

And how our our churches empty? In the UK last week on pascha vigil my church (which is small in size) had 200 converts from Halifax in one day yes 200 a group of Protestants from another church (Evanglical converted)

In America we went from 700k to 4.5 million in the span of 4 years and 80% of that are converts such as myself

Keep crying we are growing faster than Shitslam and your gay faggot Mohammed

Yeah growing faster and having zero children. That's net positive isn't it?

 

[1966Ford]

Thoughts on the film "Lawrence of Arabia"?

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You dont get it. Christians never mogged or led civilisation. This is why euros clamour about their past greco-roman pagan "heritage". You can make a case for the Byzantines but the schism meant they never reclaimed the past glory. Muslims really took the torch and led the way until they too become cucked in the last couple hundred years.

Christianity has never done anything. It's never been at the forefront of civilisation it had to be casted aside. This is unlike not only Islam, but Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and paganism itself.


You can keep claiming salafism is true Islam you're well aware by your own term it represents hardly any Muslims and never historically did.

Well I wouldn't say that anyway. But you can ask Ruskis yourself



You act like Russia (ex commie country) is some kind of religious paradise but they haven't given a fuck about religion for the last 100+ years.

Go to literally ANY Muslim country (except ironically except ex soviet ones) none of them would answer like this. Not even Muslims from.... (may God forgive me for saying this) Albania.

Yeah growing faster and having zero children. That's net positive isn't it?

Europeans conquered the world as Christian’s even if they did a shit job at being Christian’s they self identified as such. Ask your little GAYhammoden ass how tf did most of Africa all of the Americas and much of Asia become Christian yeah I’ll leave the rest for you to figure out.

The Roman Empire became Christian later on and the byzantines a group that’s overly wanked by the cumskin race are and were Christian’s which were the greatest empire in their age and the most powerful (yes even than your Caliphate at various periods)

Dude you don’t know shit about history imagine saying such bogus shit. Christian’s ruled all of the 15th century + the reason your in Europe now writing in English is due to Christian’s ANALLY raping you Mohammeden ancestors.

You posted Russians when I even told you Russians are Secular and yet you post then proving my point to the forum that your an idiot. And even Russians would attack you for having a Gay Jesus and Russians and Bulgarians are the least religious people

Albanians aren’t as religious as you think many Albanians jsut say they are Albanians and don’t look or care about religion, they aren’t secular but due to how their culture is Albanians are mixed between Christian and Muslim they blend the religions

We are Growinf faster than any Mohammeden nation wishes ahahah and unlike you Faggots we are growing via converts not 4 wives or sex slaves as Mohammed Hijab your most popular apologist did . Don’t worry we are now converting Africans so birth rates won’t be a problem

One priest with 10 kids lol. Trust me we don’t have such problems Abdoool we are better then shitslam and western cuckianity

Father Josiah Trenham: “Why I have ten children”

The Very Reverend Father Josiah Trenham , pastor of St. Andrew Orthodox Church in Riverside, California.

lifeondoverbeach.wordpress.com

 

[kusaila]

They literally cleared the path for liberalism. One of the greatest ironies of history. Both of them had an unusual respect for Islam and Muslims too unlike their fellow adverseries. They knew the enemies were the godless materialistic Jews.

Is it surprising we are seeing the same Hegelian dialectic play out once again. They thought they were saving Christianity in the end they basically killed it off. Inadvertently so. They didn't live to see the day.

Copers (@PrinceLuenLeoncur) believe Islam will play out the same way and when you look at Turkey and Saudi it's easy to say yes perhaps that's true. One extreme plays into the hands of the other. I kind of agree they are beyond repair. But that's not the case elsewhere. Thankfully Islam has no cuckish pope, leader and even when they had "caliphs" (more political and ceremonial) they were constantly challenged and many opposing caliphs - it's inherently symbolic religiously given the ulema (scholars) who they were at odds with throughout history. It's like it's in our DNA to be political. Islam is more decentralised than Bitcoin maxis can dream of. Not to mention there is no reform (shirk) in Islam only renovation (tajdid). It has adapted to changing societies unlike Christianity which Europeans had to throw off in order to ascend.

What is tajdid?

 

[kusaila]

Bad

all Bid’ah is liberal

Any deviation from the truth due to man’s hubris is “liberal” so yes god gave these innovators what they deserve. Protestants literally hail these faggots and they are known as the “Great Reformers” these idiots celebrate these faggots diverting and changing the religion you cannot make this up

You cannot get more liberal than this, if they can change the religion what’s to prevent random protesCUCKs today from changing it to fit “with the times broooo” and have LGBTQ Flags and shit. This is why I say western Christianity is doomed, esp Protestantism they can’t even stand up to lgbtq liberalism how TF do these dickheads expect to defeat Islam FFS this is hilarious to see

Orthodoxy has been tried and tested we have weathered every storm be it Pagan Islam, pagan Mongols and Slavic tribes, be it Roman persecution, be it the Pagan Turk Mohammedens, be it the Communist apostate Gaytheists we have weathered and withstood them all and not changed ANYTHING a single time and we only double down to tell the infidel that they are vile infidels.



Salafism isn’t like Lutherism Salafisim is literally based on returning back to what the Sahaba Tabi and first 3 gens of the religion believed in. Literally do a fucking Google search why am I teaching you about your own Cults history. Sure modern Salafism is new but the beliefs and concepts are all rooted in the original beliefs of the Muslims even if the movement today is new.

Just because nobody said they were “Salafi” doesn’t mean the ideology wasn’t alive before. The early followers of your cult leader had beliefs that would align closest with Salafism than any other Aqeedah and that’s A FACT.

Your branch of Roman Catholicism (Shia + Mutazilite) was the first true innovation within Islam and that’s A FACT happened once the Pagan Arabs conquered Roman lands and got their hands on Greek Texts

>muh eastern christianity survived everything
aren't u African? didn't survive that apparently. Or all the infighting

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

>muh eastern christianity survived everything
aren't u African? didn't survive that apparently. Or all the infighting

Speaking about religion here not race or nationality stick on topic please

Unless you have a refutation off what I said kindly STFU

 

[james sapphire]

dnr

 

[Old Bvll]

Stfu wahabi cowlet Sunni desert monkey

 

[kusaila]

Speaking about religion here not race or nationality stick on topic please

Unless you have a refutation off what I said kindly STFU

You say Christians raped Muslims but they did the very same thing to Africans for centuries how do you cope with this belief? And i thought Protestantism and Catholicism were cucked so why are you claiming Western Europe's achievements as that of Eastern Europe? in fact why are u larping achievements to begin with sounds pretty insecure.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You say Christians raped Muslims but they did the very same thing to Africans for centuries how do you cope with this belief? And i thought Protestantism and Catholicism were cucked so why are you claiming Western Europe's achievements as that of Eastern Europe? in fact why are u larping achievements to begin with sounds pretty insecure.

Christian isn’t a race neither is Muslim.

Europeans raped Africans sure not for religious reasons though, many Africans were Christian as well so what Christian’s raped Christians? See how dumb this sounds

Because Western European Christianity stems from eastern Christianity that’s the point, it’s a vapid corruption of the faith but its origin is in the east.

I am claiming general Christian achievements as in lowest common denominator Christianity and to the unlearned man esp back then they wouldn’t known about orthodoxy they’d just know “I’m Christian “ so how can I fault them? So yes I can claim Christian achievements in a religious aspect but I’m not claiming achievements of the people groups that did the achievements. You get it?!

So as I said, stick on topic please or STFU, topic is religion not race

 

[kusaila]

Christian isn’t a race neither is Muslim.

Europeans raped Africans sure not for religious reasons though, many Africans were Christian as well so what Christian’s raped Christians? See how dumb this sounds

Because Western European Christianity stems from eastern Christianity that’s the point, it’s a vapid corruption of the faith but its origin is in the east.

I am claiming general Christian achievements as in lowest common denominator Christianity and to the unlearned man esp back then they wouldn’t known about orthodoxy they’d just know “I’m Christian “ so how can I fault them? So yes I can claim Christian achievements in a religious aspect but I’m not claiming achievements of the people groups that did the achievements. You get it?!

So as I said, stick on topic please or STFU, topic is religion not race

You can't say to not bring race into it when you make a general statement of achievement and apply it to all Christians. It just doesn't work that way, England's achievements are not "yours' magically like this.

This would be like a sunni shilling the safavids.

Either way, your point fails because these are western European achievements that were made possible not by Christianity (which is one of the sects u don't even consider real christianity) but their stance on industrialization, geographical location amongst other things. They would of mogged the world regardless, Christianity at best was just a pretext at times. And these nations became even better when they adopted secular governments and mindsets btw.

Either way this claiming achievement thing is stupid and low IQ, you didn't do this stuff neither did Christianity tell them to. And it doesn't help your point telling me how despite your Christian "brotherhood" Europeans still pillaged and colonised and exploits your ass till this day.

So much for Christian love lol

 

[kusaila]

You can't say to not bring race into it when you make a general statement of achievement and apply it to all Christians. It just doesn't work that way, England's achievements are not "yours' magically like this.

This would be like a sunni shilling the safavids.

Either way, your point fails because these are western European achievements that were made possible not by Christianity (which is one of the sects u don't even consider real christianity) but their stance on industrialization, geographical location amongst other things. They would of mogged the world regardless, Christianity at best was just a pretext at times. And these nations became even better when they adopted secular governments and mindsets btw.

Further this claiming achievement thing is stupid and low IQ, you didn't do this stuff neither did Christianity tell them to. And it doesn't help your point telling me how despite your Christian "brotherhood" Europeans still pillaged and colonised and exploits your ass till this day.

So much for Christian love lol

 

[kusaila]

double posted accidentally

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You can't say to not bring race into it when you make a general statement of achievement and apply it to all Christians. It just doesn't work that way, England's achievements are not "yours' magically like this.

This would be like a sunni shilling the safavids.

Either way, your point fails because these are western European achievements that were made possible not by Christianity (which is one of the sects u don't even consider real christianity) but their stance on industrialization, geographical location amongst other things. They would of mogged the world regardless, Christianity at best was just a pretext at times. And these nations became even better when they adopted secular governments and mindsets btw.

Either way this claiming achievement thing is stupid and low IQ, you didn't do this stuff neither did Christianity tell them to. And it doesn't help your point telling me how despite your Christian "brotherhood" Europeans still pillaged and colonised and exploits your ass till this day.

So much for Christian love lol

Was op speaking about religion or race?


Religion ok

Was op speaking about cultural/ethnic achievements and politics or religion?


Religion ok


So my response was on what Christian’s have done. African historically barring Ethiopians/eritreans haven’t done a good job at retaining their religion hence why North Africa and Sudan are Muslim today due to mass jihad.

However Europeans stepped in manned up and spread the gospel worldwide and for that in grateful they reignited our love for Christ, today euros are meme jokes which bekive in nothing but nihilism and that’s FINE because today blacks are the new bearers of the religion which is great.

It’s all in gods plan

Yes Europeans pillaged these lands AS SECULARISTS and didn’t follow their religion very well a shame but that is how life is but god used that to convert the native Americans and all of LATAM so it has a positive conclusion

As for everything else well as I said I’m not claiming the people groups achievements per see like the English for example but I am saying the foundation of their society was grounded in Christian values and those values led to them prospering and creating those great things. As I said back then my people weren’t Christian and thus doesn’t apply to them but spiritually it applies to those which developed the modern world which professed belief in Christ as the one God.

Your the one that is conflating things like a retard stay on topic or fuck off. OPs Bengali they were on the peripheries of the Islamic world and did fuck all but he has every right to spiritually claim the accomplishment of Shia and Sunni achievements and the belief system that if left behind, unless he’s speaking about people groups he’s fine to do that and this is what this thread about

Unlike most westerners I don’t put much stock into this malleable contingent societal construct called race so honesty to me I could care less because if there’s no god then race is meaningless anything is worthless and humans are as significant as a rock hence why I could give 0 fucks about “MUH whyte race achievement “ because if your atheist you can’t make value statements as “progress” doesn’t exist as that implies an Ordered Telos which cannot exist without god. Hence why I find race based questions posed by Gaytheists such as yourself as retarded and if posed by a religious person hypocritical.

 

[kusaila]

Was op speaking about religion or race?


Religion ok

Was op speaking about cultural/ethnic achievements and politics or religion?


Religion ok


So my response was on what Christian’s have done. African historically barring Ethiopians/eritreans haven’t done a good job at retaining their religion hence why North Africa and Sudan are Muslim today due to mass jihad.

However Europeans stepped in manned up and spread the gospel worldwide and for that in grateful they reignited our love for Christ, today euros are meme jokes which bekive in nothing but nihilism and that’s FINE because today blacks are the new bearers of the religion which is great.

It’s all in gods plan

Yes Europeans pillaged these lands AS SECULARISTS and didn’t follow their religion very well a shame but that is how life is but god used that to convert the native Americans and all of LATAM so it has a positive conclusion

As for everything else well as I said I’m not claiming the people groups achievements per see like the English for example but I am saying the foundation of their society was grounded in Christian values and those values led to them prospering and creating those great things. As I said back then my people weren’t Christian and thus doesn’t apply to them but spiritually it applies to those which developed the modern world which professed belief in Christ as the one God.

Your the one that is conflating things like a retard stay on topic or fuck off. OPs Bengali they were on the peripheries of the Islamic world and did fuck all but he has every right to spiritually claim the accomplishment of Shia and Sunni achievements and the belief system that if left behind, unless he’s speaking about people groups he’s fine to do that and this is what this thread about

Unlike most westerners I don’t put much stock into this malleable contingent societal construct called race so honesty to me I could care less because if there’s no god then race is meaningless anything is worthless and humans are as significant as a rock hence why I could give 0 fucks about “MUH whyte race achievement “ because if your atheist you can’t make value statements as “progress” doesn’t exist as that implies an Ordered Telos which cannot exist without god. Hence why I find race based questions posed by Gaytheists such as yourself as retarded and if posed by a religious person hypocritical.

The most copemaxxed, incorrect drivel I've ever read

he reconciles European colonisation of Africa as some "blessing" from god and them passing the torch to them (while still exploiting them to this day)

keep coping though bhai

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The most copemaxxed, incorrect drivel I've ever read

he reconciles European colonisation of Africa as some "blessing" from god and them passing the torch to them (while still exploiting them to this day)

keep coping though bhai

Not at all what I think or said…

I said the secular European nations that colonised Africa did it in the name of nationalism and secularism neither are Christian. Modern western euro nations are mainly atheist now anyways so the torch was passed on to us a long time ago we are the new defenders of Christ

I never said it was a blessing but that God can use the evil of man to bring righteousness and to bring blessings. Men do evil and god can alter that evil to produce good fruits.

Call it Drivel or whatever you want but your in the wrong subject point of race when im speaking about religion. Race is useless and always changing with the times during the euro conquest Irish and Poles weren’t even seen as white JFL and yet you want me to give a fuck? Nationalism is from the French Revolution once again you want me to give a fuck? About society made concepts? Yeah sorry your speaking too the wrong person

Read the thread and OPs opening message and you’ll see why I said what I said