It's over for MSE copers

[Defcon4]

The effects of maxillary expansion on the soft tissue facial profile

The aims of this retrospective study were to evaluate the possible changes in soft tissue facial profile induced by orthopedic rapid maxillary expansion (RME) and surgically assisted rapid maxillary expansion (SARME), and to correlate them with the underlying ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Clifs: While bone-borne SARME did not seem to possess the potential to alter soft tissue profile, tooth-borne RME caused a more convex soft tissue profile related to a reduction in SNB.

If you think only MSE will give you more than 0,05 PSL points its over for you.
There's no escape from BIMAX for recessed-cels.

 

[Deleted member 7820]

Mean squared error ?

 

[Deleted member 5912]

mse is good before bimax
however it literally does nothing for facial astheatics
I have no idea where it came from that mse makes you good looking

 

[Defcon4]

mse is good before bimax
however it literally does nothing for facial astheatics
I have no idea where it came from that mse makes you good looking

Yeah, i posted this because i'm going under MSE before BIMAX.

 

[Deleted member 1862]

mse is good before bimax
however it literally does nothing for facial astheatics
I have no idea where it came from that mse makes you good looking

the looksmax.me hypetrain is where

 

[Deleted member 1862]

people on here are genuinely more prepared to do MSE + facemask than a bi-max

a facemask that you have to wear for 14 HOURS EVERY DAY FOR 6-7 MONTHS vs bi-max where the worst is over after 2 months

 

[Defcon4]

There is only salvation for prepubescents.

 

[Defcon4]

people on here are genuinely more prepared to do MSE + facemask than a bi-max

a facemask that you have to wear for 14 HOURS EVERY DAY FOR 6-7 MONTHS vs bi-max where the worst is over after 2 months

Yeah, and If you think about it, the procedure for the MSE its half of that of the bimax

 

[Deleted member 3020]

SARME-surgically assisted rapid maxillary expansion
Meaning they used hydrax expander after a midpalatal suture surgical cut

MSE-maxillary skeletal expander

how did you get these two mixed up?

“Expansion with MSE has statistically significant impact on the soft tissue of the face, in particular paranasal and cheeks area. Changes are stable after 1-year retention.”


“There are significant changes in paranasal, upper lip, and at both cheeks following expansion using MSE with greater magnitude at the cheeks area. Those changes do not relapse after 1 year (p < 0.05).”

Three-dimensional soft tissue analysis of the face following micro-implant-supported maxillary skeletal expansion

Skeletal maxillary expander (MSE) is one of the more recent expander designs being utilized for skeletal expansion by splitting the midpalatal sutures applying forces through palatal micro-implants. Its effects on the soft tissue remain a question asked ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Deleted member 4053]

MSE = lateral expansion

bimax = maxilla is moved forwards

different procedures, some need one more than the other
They accomplish different things and work in different ways

 

[CursedOne]

its time to bimaxxing then

 

[MentalistKebab]

MSE is for lateral expansion + bimax is inevitable anyway + MSE would give you better breathing even if it dont increase PSL noticebly

 

[Deleted member 5385]

IMDO+ LeFort1 DO is truly good for lower third

 

[goat2x]

Evaluation of immediate soft tissue changes after rapid maxillary expansion

OBJECTIVE: To evaluate immediate soft tissue changes following rapid maxillary expansion (RME)...

www.scielo.br

Significant changes in the soft tissue do occur with RME. There is a transverse widening of the midface, and a decrease of the thickness of the upper and lower lips.

 

[Asetric]

mse is cracking ur skull in two
bimax is bone lengthening

neither of these is good

 

[Deleted member 3020]

mse is cracking ur skull in two
bimax is bone lengthening

neither of these is good

Bro stfu dead serious

 

[hairyballscel]

mse is good before bimax
however it literally does nothing for facial astheatics
I have no idea where it came from that mse makes you good looking

If your a narrow facecel than it can help a lot tbh

 

[Deleted member 5912]

If your a narrow facecel than it can help a lot tbh

meh kinda
narrow face comes from narrow skull
and we all know thats infixable

 

[hairyballscel]

meh kinda
narrow face comes from narrow skull
and we all know thats infixable

true, im gonna smack my kids if i ever catch them mouthbreathing tbh

 

[wagbox]

Nobody on planet earth has considered MSE a replacement for bimax (I hope)