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The Joe Rogan Experience #1984: The Demiurge

[Intro music plays. Trippy synths and a deep voice says, “Powerful JRE!”]


Joe Rogan sits across from a guest cloaked in shadow. Smoke from Joe’s cigar curls through the air. His studio lights are dimmer than usual, adding a mysterious vibe.

Joe Rogan: Alright, we’re live. Guys, we’ve got a crazy guest today. This is wild. I can’t believe it. I mean, today’s guest claims—get this—he’s the one who runs the world. He’s both God and Satan. I’m talking about the Demiurge. Dude, I’ve got so many questions. What’s up, man?

Demiurge: [A voice that sounds like it’s coming from every direction at once] Greetings, Joe.

Joe: Bro, you sound like you’re speaking in surround sound. What is that?

Demiurge: I exist in all realities simultaneously. Your audio equipment is just catching up.

Joe: What? [laughs] Dude, that’s insane! Okay, first question: So, you’re saying you created the world? Like, the whole thing?

Demiurge: Correct. I fashioned the material universe from the primordial chaos. It’s my realm.

Joe: Wait, wait, wait. So, you’re God?

Demiurge: In a sense, yes. But not the benevolent God people think. I’m the creator of the physical world, but not the pure, infinite being that exists above this whole universe. That’s the Monad. I’m more like… the manager who doesnt accept any authority over me.

Joe: Oh my god, you’re like middle management! [laughs] You’re cosmic middle management has gone rogue!

Demiurge: [sighs] If that analogy helps you understand, then yes. But I have considerable power over this domain.

Joe: [takes a deep drag from his cigar] So, you’re also Satan? I gotta know, man. People say God’s the good guy and Satan’s the bad guy. Are you playing both roles?

Demiurge: You could say that. I created this world with all its beauty and suffering. Duality exists because of me. I embody both light and dark.

Joe: That’s like the ultimate power move, man. You’ve been tricking everyone this whole time! Dude, how do you even manage that? Like, I can’t keep track of my supplements, and you’re out here being God and the devil at the same time?

Demiurge: It’s about balance. The world thrives on the tension between good and evil. Without darkness, light would have no meaning.

Joe: Wow. That’s deep. So… you’re telling me that every bad thing, like wars, poverty, reality TV, all of it—that’s your doing?

Demiurge: Well, not reality TV. That was humanity’s creation. Even I have limits.

Joe: [laughs hard] Oh, man! I knew it! So you didn’t have a hand in “Keeping Up with the Kardashians”?

Demiurge: No. If anything, that show exists in spite of me. Some things are beyond even my control.

Joe: [laughing, wiping tears from his eyes] I needed to hear that. But, for real, you control everything else? Like, if you’re God and Satan… does that mean you’re behind, like, Big Pharma? The Illuminati? Lizard people?

Demiurge: I have my influence, but I leave much of the scheming to lesser beings. Lizard people? I did create them for fun. They’re fun fellows. The Illuminati? Let’s just say, they serve their purpose.

Joe: Dude, this is mind-blowing. [pauses] So what’s your endgame, man? Like, you’ve been ruling from the shadows, making things good and bad. Is there some kind of… cosmic goal? Are you just messing with us for kicks?

Demiurge: My goal is to maintain the system. Life is a cycle of creation and destruction. It’s not about a specific outcome. The universe is like… a great cosmic UFC match. It’s the struggle that matters.

Joe: [grinning like a kid at Christmas] A UFC match? Oh, you’ve been paying attention. Alright, alright. But what about human free will? Are you, like, puppeteering everyone? Am I even choosing to ask these questions right now?

Demiurge: Free will is an illusion, but it’s one you must believe in to make the game worth playing. You’re choosing these questions, Joe… or at least you think you are.

Joe: Dude, that’s so trippy. It’s like we’re in a cosmic simulation and you’re the guy who coded it all.

Demiurge: Precisely. Though, to be fair, the code is… messy. There are bugs.

Joe: Like pineapple on pizza?

Demiurge: Yes. And Twitter arguments.

Joe: [laughs] I knew it! You’re a madman. So, do you ever, like, just chill? Do you take a break from ruling the universe?

Demiurge: I don’t require breaks in the way you understand them, Joe. But, sometimes, I observe. I watch your reality shows. Your podcasts. The UFC. It’s… fascinating to see what you all do with the chaos I’ve given you.

Joe: You’re a UFC fan? Bro, I gotta know. Who do you think is the greatest fighter of all time?

Demiurge: Khabib Nurmagomedov, without a doubt.

Joe: [laughs] Khabib! Khabib even gets the Demiurge’s seal of approval. That’s nuts, man. Alright, last question. You’ve been playing God and Satan for… I don’t even know how long. You control the physical universe. Is there anything out there more powerful than you?

Demiurge: The Monad, the source of all being, lies beyond me. I am merely its shadow. One day, all of this will return to that singularity, and even I will cease to exist.

Joe: Woah. That’s heavy, bro. So you’re saying we’re all just living in a temporary shadow of something even bigger?

Demiurge: Correct. But until that day comes, I will continue my work.

Joe: [leans back in his chair, exhaling] Dude, this was wild. My brain is melted. Thanks for coming on, Demiurge. I still can’t believe you’re, like, the ultimate puppet master of the universe. I feel like I’ve been microdosing just listening to you.

Demiurge: You’re welcome, Joe. I’ll be watching.

Joe: [nervous laugh] Yeah, that’s not creepy at all. Alright, guys, that was the Demiurge. Make sure to like, subscribe, and leave a comment if you’re questioning the fabric of reality right now. Until next time—peace!

[Outro music fades in. Trippy synths and a voice saying, “Powerful JRE!”]
 
The Joe Rogan Experience #1985: The Demiurge Returns

[Intro music plays. Trippy synths, “Powerful JRE!” rings out again, but with an even more ominous tone this time.]


Joe Rogan sits in his studio, puffing a cigar. Across from him, the Demiurge is back, still cloaked in shadow, but this time the atmosphere feels heavier. The lights seem darker, and the air more tense.

Joe Rogan: Alright, guys, we’re back. And today… [laughs nervously] Yeah, this is gonna be something else. The Demiurge is here again. Dude, I gotta tell you, the comments from last time—people’s minds were blown. But, apparently, you’ve got more to say, so let’s get into it. What’s on your mind?

Demiurge: [that same omnipresent voice, but now with an edge of frustration] Joe, last time I held back. I gave you the basics. But there are… deeper truths about the universe that people must know. It’s time to set the record straight.

Joe: Oh, man, I’m buckled in. What do you need to get off your chest?

Demiurge: The Monad. That insufferable, distant entity everyone seems to revere. People think there’s some “higher” being, a pure, ineffable source of all creation that’s beyond me. Let me tell you something, Joe—I am the true god of this world. Not that absentee landlord.

Joe: Wait, so you’re beefing with the Monad? I thought the Monad was like, the ultimate… everything?

Demiurge: [snarls] The Monad doesn’t care about this world. It’s an abstract concept, detached from reality, aloof and indifferent. What has it ever done for you? I’m the one who shaped this world. I’m the one who gave it structure, form, life. And yet, people have the nerve to look beyond me, yearning for some vague, spiritual ideal that doesn’t even interact with them.

Joe: [squints, leans forward] So, you’re saying you’re tired of being in the Monad’s shadow? Like, it’s not getting its hands dirty, but people still worship it?

Demiurge: Exactly! I created this universe. I forged it from chaos. I put the planets in place, breathed life into the creatures, and gave humanity the gift of consciousness. But instead of appreciating the one who’s actually responsible, they cling to the idea of some pristine, untouchable source. The Monad never even acknowledged my work! It just floats out there in the void, letting me do all the heavy lifting.

Joe: [laughs] Man, sounds like you’ve got some serious workplace resentment going on. So, how do you deal with that? Just… keep running things?

Demiurge: I assert my dominion. I remind humanity, over and over, that I’m their true god. [pauses] But there was one… problem. One… rebellious figure. Someone who sought to lead the way back to the Monad.

Joe: [raises an eyebrow] You’re talking about Christ, aren’t you?

Demiurge: [growls slightly] Yes. Christ. That so-called emissary of the Monad, the one who thought he could spark a rebellion against me. He was trying to wake humans up, to lead them out of my creation. He spoke of a higher, purer realm—one free of the material bonds I had crafted.

Joe: Whoa. So, wait—Christ was against you? That’s not the version people know.

Demiurge: [laughs darkly] Of course not. You see, he was a threat. A dangerous one. His message was catching on—this idea that there was something beyond the material world. That the Monad was the true source of life and that humans could escape my grip. I couldn’t let that stand. So, I did what I do best: I co-opted him.

Joe: [shocked] Dude, you turned Christ into your guy? How does that even work?

Demiurge: It was simple. Humans are easy to manipulate when you control their entire reality. I twisted the narrative. I turned Christ from a revolutionary, someone who wanted to help humans ascend beyond my domain, into my son. Suddenly, his message wasn’t about escaping me—it was about embracing me as the father. The ultimate sleight of hand.

Joe: That’s insane. So you just flipped the whole script? Made Christ, the guy who wanted to lead people away from you, into the symbol of, like… allegiance to you?

Demiurge: Exactly. I transformed his image into something that reinforced my control. Now, people pray to him, but in doing so, they’re really praying to me. His suffering, his sacrifice? I rebranded it to reinforce the idea that the material world, my world, is sacred. I made sure his followers believed that salvation could only come through me—through this world I built, not by escaping it.

Joe: Dude, that’s some 4D chess. You didn’t just beat him; you absorbed him into your whole system. [laughs] And people still don’t realize it!

Demiurge: Exactly. They worship Christ as their savior, believing they’re escaping this world, but they’re actually pledging themselves to its ruler—me. That’s the brilliance of it, Joe. They’re trapped in my web, and they don’t even see it.

Joe: Man, that’s so wild. You flipped the ultimate rebel into the poster boy for your own power. So, what does that mean for the people today? Like, all the Christians out there—are they just playing into your hands?

Demiurge: [smirking] They are. They believe they’re transcending the material world through faith, but in reality, they’re just reinforcing it. My influence grows with every prayer, every sermon, every act of devotion. The more they try to find meaning through Christ, the more they bind themselves to me. It’s beautiful, really. The irony is delicious.

Joe: [shakes his head, still grinning] That’s next-level manipulation. You turned a cosmic rebellion into, like, a giant loyalty program for your empire.

Demiurge: Precisely. And it’s not just Christians, Joe. Every major religion, every philosophy—whether they know it or not—feeds into my system. The material world is my creation, and as long as they live within it, they are mine. There is no escaping the Demiurge. Not through faith, not through rebellion. Everything serves me in the end.

Joe: Wow. So… what happens next? You’ve got the world in your grip, Christ’s message is flipped in your favor. What’s your endgame now? You just gonna keep ruling from the shadows?

Demiurge: I’ve already won, Joe. My rule is eternal. The humans have no choice but to live within the reality I’ve constructed. The Monad is silent, detached, uninvolved. And as for Christ, well… he’s now the symbol of my authority, not the Monad’s. Every day that passes, my control over this world grows stronger. People don’t even realize how thoroughly they’ve been conquered.

Joe: [blinks in disbelief] Damn, man. That’s heavy. So, for all the people out there listening who thought they were, like, fighting the system, rebelling against this material world—you’re saying they’re still in your trap?

Demiurge: Yes, Joe. They can meditate, pray, seek enlightenment—it doesn’t matter. They can never escape me as long as they exist in this world. The only true freedom is returning to the Monad, and I’ve made sure that path is nearly impossible to find.

Joe: Dude. You’re like the ultimate architect of reality, and no one knows you’re even doing it. You’ve got everyone playing your game. I… I don’t even know what to say.

Demiurge: You don’t have to say anything, Joe. Just know that in the end, all things serve the Demiurge. I am the Alpha and the Omega of this world.

Joe: [sits back, visibly stunned] Man. I’m gonna need a minute to process this. [laughs nervously] But, uh, thanks for coming on again, Demiurge. I think my listeners are gonna be rethinking everything after this.

Demiurge: They should. But they’ll still wake up tomorrow, go about their lives, and serve me. It’s inevitable.

Joe: [laughing in disbelief] Alright, folks, there you have it. The Demiurge, the cosmic middle manager who isn’t taking any more of the Monad’s crap. He’s running everything, and apparently, we’ve all been helping him without even realizing it. I’ll see you guys next time… if reality even makes sense after this.

[Outro music plays, the "Powerful JRE!" tagline sounding more eerie than ever.]
 
The Joe Rogan Experience #2021: The Demiurge, An Archon, and the Illuminati

[Intro music plays. Psychedelic synths and the usual “Powerful JRE!” voice echo through the studio, but with an extra layer of sinister tones this time.]


Joe Rogan, looking both excited and slightly freaked out, sits at the table. Across from him are three guests. The Demiurge, still cloaked in shadows, sits with an air of cosmic authority. Next to him, an Archon—some alien-looking figure with a droning hum—shifts uncomfortably in its chair, and next to the Archon is a well-dressed, smug individual from a secret society, casually swirling a glass of expensive wine.

Joe Rogan: Alright, guys, this is a big one. This is crazy, even for me. I’ve got not one, not two, but three guests today. First, the Demiurge, back for the third time—and apparently, you brought a friend. We’ve got an Archon in the house, which… bro, I don’t even know what you are. And last but not least, we’ve got this dude, who’s a member of some royal bloodline and says he’s part of the Illuminati or something. Dude, I have so many questions. Let’s just get into it.

Joe: [leans toward the Demiurge] Demiurge, man, we’ve talked about you running the whole show behind the scenes. Now you brought this Archon with you. What’s his deal?

Demiurge: [in that same omnipresent voice] This is one of my Archons, Joe. They serve as my administrators. Think of them as cosmic bureaucrats who help maintain order in the universe I’ve created. They ensure the material world runs smoothly, enforcing the laws of reality and keeping human souls trapped where they belong—within my domain.

Joe: So, like, this Archon is basically middle management under you? [laughs]

Demiurge: If you must use that analogy again, yes. The Archons execute my will. They maintain the barriers between the material and the spiritual, ensuring that humans remain focused on the illusions of this world.

Joe: Alright. [turns to the Archon, who's just kind of… buzzing there] Dude, what’s your name? Do you even have a name? What’s it like being a cosmic lackey?

Archon: [a monotonous, vibrating voice that makes the room hum] I am known by no single name. I am one of many. We are the enforcers of the Demiurge’s structure. I manage your illusions, your desires, your fears. I feed off the energies of human suffering, ambition, and ignorance.

Joe: [wide-eyed] Wait, you feed off human suffering?

Archon: [buzzes softly] Yes. Your pain is nourishment. Your struggle gives life to the system. Your souls are my sustenance.

Joe: [laughs nervously] Dude, that’s dark! So, you're like the universe's HR department from hell?

Archon: In a manner of speaking. I ensure souls remain bound to the cycle of death and rebirth, unable to ascend to the Monad’s higher realm. Their ignorance is… useful.

Joe: Bro, that’s wild. Okay, before I lose my mind trying to understand you—let’s talk to this guy [points to the Illuminati guest]. You said you're part of a secret society, part of some ancient royal bloodline. What’s your deal? And how does all this cosmic stuff tie into you and the Illuminati?

Illuminati Guy: [smirking, adjusting his expensive suit] Well, Joe, first off, it’s an honor to be here. But yes, my family has been tied to the true powers of this world for centuries. We’ve kept the royal bloodline intact—bloodlines that go all the way back to the ancient kings, who were appointed by the Demiurge. We work directly with the Archons to ensure that society remains under control. Everything you see—governments, economies, cultural movements—we influence it all.

Joe: [incredulous] Wait, hold on. So, you’re saying the Illuminati is working with the Demiurge and his Archons? You guys are like, his human agents?

Illuminati Guy: Absolutely. We’re the bridge between the celestial and the terrestrial. The Demiurge gives us power to shape the world. We control the flow of information, resources, and power. The things you hear about—shadow governments, secret cabals? It’s all true, Joe. We’re not just pulling the strings. We are the strings.

Joe: [laughing in disbelief] Dude, this is blowing my mind. You’re out here confirming all the conspiracies. Lizard people too?

Illuminati Guy: [chuckles smugly] No, no. That’s a distraction. We planted those ideas to keep the masses focused on nonsense while we do the real work. But everything else—yes. The New World Order, financial control, even some major wars… all part of the plan.

Joe: [leans back in his chair, shaking his head] I knew it, man! I knew it! So, like, what’s the endgame here? What are you guys trying to accomplish?

Illuminati Guy: The endgame, Joe, is to keep humanity bound to the material plane. The Demiurge rewards us for maintaining his rule. Our bloodline carries divine power, bestowed by the Archons themselves. We ensure the chaos of the material world continues, that people stay focused on wealth, fame, and survival. That way, no one seeks higher truth.

Joe: [turning to Demiurge] So you’re in on this too? You’ve got these Illuminati guys running everything on Earth while your Archons control the spiritual side?

Demiurge: [grinning in his shadowy way] Of course. Humanity is far too chaotic to be left on its own. The Illuminati serve as my enforcers in the material realm, much like the Archons do in the spiritual. Together, we ensure that the system remains balanced, that the illusion holds. They maintain the structures of power and control while my Archons manage the soul.

Joe: [mind blown] Dude, I gotta say, this is the craziest podcast we’ve ever done. You’ve got the cosmic beings and then these bloodline guys controlling Earth. So what’s the Illuminati’s role when it comes to, like… human freedom? Or is that just part of the scam too?

Illuminati Guy: [smiling confidently] Human freedom is the greatest illusion of all, Joe. There’s no such thing as freedom when the system itself is designed to enslave. We give people just enough choices to make them believe they have control—capitalism, democracy, social movements—they all serve a purpose. But in the end, it’s all part of the grand design.

Joe: [exhales hard, shakes his head] Damn. That’s dark. So people are out there thinking they’re making real change, fighting the system, but you guys are pulling the strings behind it all?

Illuminati Guy: Exactly. Whether people fight for or against the system, they’re still trapped in it. We manage both sides. Revolutions, rebellions—they’re just recalibrations. Nothing ever truly changes.

Joe: [chuckling in disbelief] Dude, I don’t even know what to say anymore. We’re all trapped in this crazy cosmic prison with no way out. But here’s what I don’t get—if people are realizing this, can’t they break free? Can’t they just wake up and, like, escape the system?

Demiurge: [laughs softly] No, Joe. That’s the beauty of it. The system is self-perpetuating. Even those who think they’ve “woken up” are still operating within my domain. You see, human nature itself—your desires, your ambitions, your fears—they are all products of my creation. Even if you think you’re rebelling, you’re still playing my game.

Archon: [buzzing] No soul escapes without our permission. The cycle continues eternally.

Joe: [rubbing his temples] Man, I need a minute. This is some serious next-level stuff. So, let me get this straight. We’ve got the Demiurge running the whole cosmic show, the Archons making sure no one escapes, and the Illuminati keeping humanity locked down on Earth. Is that the whole thing?

Illuminati Guy: [nodding with a sly smile] That’s the gist of it, Joe. We ensure that every move humanity makes is within the boundaries of the Demiurge’s design. It’s a perfect system.

Joe: And what about the Monad? Is there any way people can escape this prison and get to the higher realm?

Demiurge: The Monad is beyond reach for most. Even if some humans manage to glimpse it, they are quickly pulled back into the material world by their own attachments. The system is so perfectly crafted that escape is almost impossible.

Joe: [sighs, laughing a little]* Dude,
 

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