John2

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@john2 I think I might start learning piano again in Winter if everything goes right in my life.
I wanted to one-trick the Hanon techniques and the Czerny technique books for one year to fortify my discipline and if I actually get through then I might start lessons again tbh

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Aye another pianocel

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Aye another pianocel

I stopped few months into it

 

[maxmendietta]

XD

 

[OOGABOOGA]

I stopped few months into it

Stick with it, it’s fun once you can play shit

 

[Deleted member 4430]

OP right now

 

[john2]

@john2 I think I might start learning piano again in Winter if everything goes right in my life.
I wanted to one-trick the Hanon techniques and the Czerny technique books for one year to fortify my discipline and if I actually get through then I might start lessons again tbh

Wow, you gave me a huge shot of dopamine there with a thread under my name .

Thanks Doc.

I really recommend you should re learn. The repertoire and instrument is on the verge of extinction (due to unskilled musicians of the 21st century).

Like @OOGABOOGA said... it gets heaps more fun as you start to play and learn pieces, especially with sophisticated virtuosity. It instantly makes you feel superior and gives you a flow of serotonin when you play it for others to impress them regardless of who they are. It's heavily satisfactory too.

I suggest you use G. Henle Verlag's sheet music for exercises and songs if you want to, because it has popular fingering techniques. I don't really read sheet music that often, but I do know how to and am still educating myself with rhythmic techniques, dexterity exercises to be like Liszt (my favorite).

Hanon and Czerny are fine. I wouldn't recommend going full on to learning their pieces since it's a waste of time imo. I will only recommend going through the exercises they composed for students... since their pieces aren't really famous because they were only piano teachers and not showmen.
You should give Chopin and Liszt's exercises a look too.

You should practice Bach more, since it covers a lot.

I suggest you begin with Beethoven's sonatina's (especially the f major one). Or Brahms opus 39 (since he's your favorite).
An easy Andante piece would be Rachmaninoff's op 16 no. 3. It's easy and one of my favorite slow paced pieces for piano. Give it a listen.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Wow, you gave me a huge shot of dopamine there with a thread under my name .

Thanks Doc.

I really recommend you should re learn. The repertoire and instrument is on the verge of extinction (due to unskilled musicians of the 21st century).

Like @OOGABOOGA said... it gets heaps more fun as you start to play and learn pieces, especially with sophisticated virtuosity. It instantly makes you feel superior and gives you a flow of serotonin when you play it for others to impress them regardless of who they are. It's heavily satisfactory too.

I suggest you use G. Henle Verlag's sheet music for exercises and songs if you want to, because it has popular fingering techniques. I don't real/y read sheet music that often, but I do know how to and am still educating myself with rhythmic techniques, dexterity exercises to be like Liszt (my favorite).

Hanon and Czerny are fine. I wouldn't recommend going full on to learning their pieces since it's a waste of time imo. I will only recommend going through the exercises they composed for students... since their pieces aren't really famous because they were only piano teachers and not showmen.
You should give Chopin and Liszt's exercises a look too.

You should practice Bach more, since it covers a lot.

I suggest you begin with Beethoven's sonatina's (especially the f major one). Or Brahms opus 39 (since he's your favorite).
An easy Andante piece would be Rachmaninoff's op 16 no. 3. It's easy and one of my favorite slow paced pieces for piano. Give it a listen.

Fuckin nerd sheesh. Jk I’m mirin. Elab on it going extinct. I mean obviously less people play than in the past but is there more to that? How do you learn if not with sheet music? And you’re saying the Hanon exercise book is good? I have it but never did any of it.

 

[Deleted member 6400]

how much practice to be able to play this ?

 

[john2]

Fuckin nerd sheesh. Jk I’m mirin. Elab on it going extinct. I mean obviously less people play than in the past but is there more to that? How do you learn if not with sheet music? And you’re saying the Hanon exercise book is good? I have it but never did any of it.

It's all in my interests bro. The best hobby ngl.

See how Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Brahms, Beethoven and Schumann etc. would compose in such a refined and elegant style... it's all dying. Their music was much more famous. Pretty much all modern composers have blended in trashy jazz and weirdly modern harmonies which are less appealing and more unpleasant... it's cringey and eww... a shame to the true art of Western baroque, classical and romantic music. I'm all fine up to the 1950's or till Scriabin composed. After that music just started declining, it's ugly.

This is what a genius' sonata sounds like -



This is what a modern composer's sonata sounds like (trying to look cool) -

.

You tell me which one is more appealing and pleasant to listen to.

Even amateur composers are terrible at composing and experts at butchering the works of the past.
I'm not even gonna go into modern lyrical music.

How do you learn if not with sheet music? And you’re saying the Hanon exercise book is good? I have it but never did any of it.

I learned mostly through synthesia, but I do refer to sheet music timely too for time signatures and notes by the composer himself.
I haven't been through Hanon's exercise book, i've only been through Czerny's and it's pretty good for technique, but putting your head all over it and stressing on it isn't worth it since they're only exercises. But I've heard both of them are a waste of time since you spend time in exercises alone and not learning new pieces.

I practiced a little bit Bach however... since Frederic Chopin would himself make his students practice Bach back in the 19th century.

You should go over Hanon's book if you really want to build up a strong base. But I place more importance on learning simple scales, arpeggios and new pieces. This is just from my experience.

how much practice to be able to play this ?

A lot. It's definitely a grade 8+ piece.

 

[Kingkellz]

Wow, you gave me a huge shot of dopamine there with a thread under my name .

Thanks Doc.

I really recommend you should re learn. The repertoire and instrument is on the verge of extinction (due to unskilled musicians of the 21st century).

Like @OOGABOOGA said... it gets heaps more fun as you start to play and learn pieces, especially with sophisticated virtuosity. It instantly makes you feel superior and gives you a flow of serotonin when you play it for others to impress them regardless of who they are. It's heavily satisfactory too.

I suggest you use G. Henle Verlag's sheet music for exercises and songs if you want to, because it has popular fingering techniques. I don't really read sheet music that often, but I do know how to and am still educating myself with rhythmic techniques, dexterity exercises to be like Liszt (my favorite).

Hanon and Czerny are fine. I wouldn't recommend going full on to learning their pieces since it's a waste of time imo. I will only recommend going through the exercises they composed for students... since their pieces aren't really famous because they were only piano teachers and not showmen.
You should give Chopin and Liszt's exercises a look too.

You should practice Bach more, since it covers a lot.

I suggest you begin with Beethoven's sonatina's (especially the f major one). Or Brahms opus 39 (since he's your favorite).
An easy Andante piece would be Rachmaninoff's op 16 no. 3. It's easy and one of my favorite slow paced pieces for piano. Give it a listen.

I think I'll pm you one of these days.
I need to get back to my piano days. I used to obsessively practice day in and day out.
After I stopped lessons my interest fizzled out.
My teacher would give me liszt exercise books to practice but I always tried to avoid it. I fooled myself.

Anyway at least I learned to play by ear to a certain extent. I can name intervals from unison to an octave, tell difference between major, minor, augmented, and diminished chords, find the key a person is singing in, and play simple tunes and add chords to it along with runs fills and chord subs with passing chords.
What about you, do can you play by ear? It seems to help when I play for my church once in a while.
You seem to be a classicalist I'm more of a jazz/R&B/gospel person tbh.

I didn't know @Dr Shekelberg was a pianist. Do you guys play any other instruments?

 

[OOGABOOGA]

It's all in my interests bro. The best hobby ngl.

See how Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Brahms, Beethoven and Schumann etc. would compose in such a refined and elegant style... it's all dying. Their music was much more famous. Pretty much all modern composers have blended in trashy jazz and weirdly modern harmonies which are less appealing and more unpleasant... it's cringey and eww... a shame to the true art of Western baroque, classical and romantic music. I'm all fine up to the 1950's or till Scriabin composed. After that music just started declining, it's ugly.

This is what a genius' sonata sounds like -



This is what a modern composer's sonata sounds like (trying to look cool) -

.

You tell me which one is more appealing and pleasant to listen to.

Even amateur composers are terrible at composing and experts at butchering the works of the past.
I'm not even gonna go into modern lyrical music.


I learned mostly through synthesia, but I do refer to sheet music timely too for time signatures and notes by the composer himself.
I haven't been through Hanon's exercise book, i've only been through Czerny's and it's pretty good for technique, but putting your head all over it and stressing on it isn't worth it since they're only exercises. But I've heard both of them are a waste of time since you spend time in exercises alone and not learning new pieces.

I practiced a little bit Bach however... since Frederic Chopin would himself make his students practice Bach back in the 19th century.

You should go over Hanon's book if you really want to build up a strong base. But I place more importance on learning simple scales, arpeggios and new pieces. This is just from my experience.


A lot. It's definitely a grade 8+ piece.

Ok yeah modern music is shit indeed. The Jews with their jazz, rock, and now rap can fuck themselves. So you learn by imitating those videos? I feel like sightreading is so much easier, no? Maybe it’s just a matter of what you practice. I’ve made my progress by just picking pieces and trying to play them til I plateau and then moving on, but maybe exercises would speed it up who knows. What grade is Clair de lune? That’s probably the hardest piece I can play well.

Also I’m curious about how you developed your skills to the advanced level. Did you have a teacher? Lots of Bach to build skills?

 

[OOGABOOGA]

I think I'll pm you one of these days.
I need to get back to my piano days. I used to obsessively practice day in and day out.
After I stopped lessons my interest fizzled out.
My teacher would give me liszt exercise books to practice but I always tried to avoid it. I fooled myself.

Anyway at least I learned to play by ear to a certain extent. I can name intervals from unison to an octave, tell difference between major, minor, augmented, and diminished chords, find the key a person is singing in, and play simple tunes and add chords to it along with runs fills and chord subs with passing chords.
What about you, do can you play by ear? It seems to help when I play for my church once in a while.
You seem to be a classicalist I'm more of a jazz/R&B/gospel person tbh.

I didn't know @Dr Shekelberg was a pianist. Do you guys play any other instruments?

Nice bro, I gotta train my ear tbh. Does that take long if you’re already a half decent player?

 

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[Deleted member 5349]

Playing an instrument is cope

 

[Deleted member 6400]

Playing an instrument is cope

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Playing an instrument is cope

Yeah but what isn’t “muh p in v only”

 

[Kingkellz]

Nice bro, I gotta train my ear tbh. Does that take long if you’re already a half decent player?

To truly master it, it will take some time. There are levels to it.
But you can get a hang of it within 3 weeks.
Essentially you are developing your relative pitch.

I highly recommend this site: https://www.musictheory.net/exercises

Start by trying to identify different intervals by ear. Then try and identify different chord types by ear. That site is really good for that and the exercises are free too.

Humming and singing go hand in hand with playing by ear imho.
Another thing you can do is listen to a song on the radio/phone/PC and memorize the melody, then pick a key (preferably C) try an play the melody by ear by identifying the distance between each note (here is where interval training comes in handy). After you got the melody down try and add chords to the melody using music theory.
Doing this once a day really helped me tbh

Learn as much about music theory as you can as it will help give better insight to what you are doing both when playing by ear and when using sheet music.

 

[john2]

I think I'll pm you one of these days.
I need to get back to my piano days. I used to obsessively practice day in and day out.
After I stopped lessons my interest fizzled out.
My teacher would give me liszt exercise books to practice but I always tried to avoid it. I fooled myself.

Anyway at least I learned to play by ear to a certain extent. I can name intervals from unison to an octave, tell difference between major, minor, augmented, and diminished chords, find the key a person is singing in, and play simple tunes and add chords to it along with runs fills and chord subs with passing chords.
What about you, do can you play by ear? It seems to help when I play for my church once in a while.
You seem to be a classicalist I'm more of a jazz/R&B/gospel person tbh.

I didn't know @Dr Shekelberg was a pianist. Do you guys play any other instruments?

Yeah this forum has many pianists (show's how high classed we are )...

@Darkstrand @Lifeisgood72 ,me, you, Kaneki Kuushu (banned), @Dr Shekelberg @OOGABOOGA and many more are into it.

Feel free to PM me. I practice regularly, i didn't practice much this week, maybe once or twice yet only.

You raised a good point. I was exposed to piano since an early age so i was able to develop perfect pitch and now I can guess major, minor, chords and all notes and even play pieces by ear and memory alone.

Bro... you shouldn't have avoided those exercises by Liszt. Liszt is the epitome of elegance and virtuosity on the Piano, my favorite composer before Rachmaninoff and Beethoven. Liszt is fun and show-off tier, but refined too.
Yeah i'm into western baroque, classical, early and late romantic music only. The rest has never appealed me. I only play piano. But since the music theory is in my head... i can probably comprehend and understand orchestra and violin or other instruments.

Ok yeah modern music is shit indeed. The Jews with their jazz, rock, and now rap can fuck themselves. So you learn by imitating those videos? I feel like sightreading is so much easier, no? Maybe it’s just a matter of what you practice. I’ve made my progress by just picking pieces and trying to play them til I plateau and then moving on, but maybe exercises would speed it up who knows. What grade is Clair de lune? That’s probably the hardest piece I can play well.

Also I’m curious about how you developed your skills to the advanced level. Did you have a teacher? Lots of Bach to build skills?

It is garbage indeed. The Jews man, ik.
However, ragtime by people like Scott Joplin was something I enjoyed out of European music since it was complex and skillful plus nice to listen to.

There's no talent and skill left in music anymore, i'm ded srs.

You can spot the difference alone between classical and modern yourself if you have the time. I'll post a relatable meme here soon.

When I began to get into classical and listened to Beethoven's 14th sonata... i was listening to that all day for ages, all music becomes unpleasant and non listenable in front of it after that. I couldn't enjoy anything else honestly. He was a genius for sure. His contribution to music is of mighty significance to humanity.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

To truly master it, it will take some time. There are levels to it.
But you can get a hang of it within 3 weeks.

I highly recommend this site: https://www.musictheory.net/exercises

Start by trying to identify different intervals by ear. Then try and identify different chord types by ear. That site is really good for that and the exercises are free too.

Humming and singing go hand in hand with playing by ear imho.
Learn as much about music theory as you can as it will help give better insight to what you are doing both when playing by ear and when using sheet music.

Ok bro thanks! Idk the first thing about music theory, just been winging it with no teacher for a year or two so I ought to fill in the blanks

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Yeah this forum has many pianists (show's how high classed we are )...

@Darkstrand @Lifeisgood72 ,me, you, Kaneki Kuushu (banned), @Dr Shekelberg @OOGABOOGA and many more are into it.

Feel free to PM me. I practice regularly, i didn't practice much this week, maybe once or twice yet only.

You raised a good point. I was exposed to piano since an early age so i was able to develop perfect pitch and now I can guess major, minor, chords and all notes and even play pieces by ear and memory alone.

Bro... you shouldn't have avoided those exercises by Liszt. Liszt is the epitome of elegance and virtuosity on the Piano, my favorite composer before Rachmaninoff and Beethoven. Liszt is fun and show-off tier, but refined too.
Yeah i'm into western baroque, classical, early and late romantic music only. The rest has never appealed me. I only play piano. But since the music theory is in my head... i can probably comprehend and understand orchestra and violin or other instruments.


It is garbage indeed. The Jews man, ik.
However, ragtime by people like Scott Joplin was something I enjoyed out of European music since it was complex and skillful plus nice to listen to.

There's no talent and skill left in music anymore, i'm ded srs.

You can spot the difference alone between classical and modern yourself if you have the time. I'll post a relatable meme here soon.

When I began to get into classical and listened to Beethoven's 14th sonata... i was listening to that all day for ages, all music becomes unpleasant and non listenable in front of it after that. I couldn't enjoy anything else honestly. He was a genius for sure. His contribution to music is of mighty significance to humanity.

Yeah some ragtime and other black music was good. My teacher I had for a couple years as a kid was a beast at ragtime but I wish I had someone with a classical focus. I want to learn that really well first and then take those skills and branch off into those other genres. Also I didn’t realize you had the benefit of that early exposure, lucky bastard

when you came back to it in middle school how skilled were you? And how did you progress from there?

 

[john2]

I'll post a relatable meme here soon.

@OOGABOOGA .

 

[Deleted member 6400]

best thread of the day tbh

 

[john2]

when you came back to it in middle school how skilled were you? And how did you progress from there?

I wasn't that much skilled. I could play up to grade 5. Then I began slowly practicing the Moonlight Sonata, 1 & 2nd mvts (not the 3rd lol). I knew how to play them but forgot how to play them now lol. Then I began learning scales, arpeggios etc. I learn a few grade 6 pieces and cadenzas from some pieces to check how skilled I am.

After that I stopped looking at the entire 'grade system' after that. I know that I can learn any piece till grade 7 with ease. So I began attempting grade 8 pieces... i practiced them slowly and finally learnt their techniques and how to play them. I'm learning Liszt atm.

I can play the first few bars of the 3rd mvt of the moonlight sonata, i'm just not bothered to learn it completely.
My progress is still going good.

I am learning one piece at the moment by Liszt and in the remaining time I'm discovering compositional skills, trying to write out new melodies and chord progressions to hopefully compose a sonata of my own that sounds like it was composed in the 1850s or something, with the mixed styles of Schumann, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin etc. It's going good to currently.
I'll give this a lot of time and have no rush for this private little project of mine.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

I wasn't that much skilled. I could play up to grade 5. Then I began slowly practicing the Moonlight Sonata, 1 & 2nd mvts (not the 3rd lol). I knew how to play them but forgot how to play them now lol. Then I began learning scales, arpeggios etc. I learn a few grade 6 pieces and cadenzas from some pieces to check how skilled I am.

After that I stopped looking at the entire 'grade system' after that. I know that I can learn any piece till grade 7 with ease. So I began attempting grade 8 pieces... i practiced them slowly and finally learnt their techniques and how to play them. I'm learning Liszt atm.

I can play the first few bars of the 3rd mvt of the moonlight sonata, i'm just not bothered to learn it completely.
My progress is still going good.

I am learning one piece at the moment by Liszt and in the remaining time I'm discovering compositional skills, trying to write out new melodies and chord progressions to hopefully compose a sonata of my own that sounds like it was composed in the 1850s or something, with the mixed styles of Schumann, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin etc. It's going good to currently.
I'll give this a lot of time and have no rush for this private little project of mine.

Oh ok so same as me. Just pick a piece and go for it approach? Also sounds like you’re not as far ahead of me as I thought. My moonlight 3rd is nowhere near concert ready but it’s a sloppy half speed which is Good enough to sound impressive, only played it for a couple weeks too. What henle level of pieces would you say is closest to your skill level? I’d say around 6 for me. Also @Lifeisgood72 what level would you say you are?

 

[OOGABOOGA]

mirin this hard the last few days, thoughts @john2?

 

[john2]

What henle level of pieces would you say is closest to your skill level? I’d say around 6 for me. Also @Lifeisgood72 what level would you say you are?

Solid 6... like, give me anything and i'll learn it quickly and play it flawlessly without fail. It's super easy for me.

I can pretty much play a significant amount from 7. Many are unknown which i might struggle with.

Weak 8 (since i'm able to play it), but i manage it over time. You're learning Beethoven atm right? Most of it is 7 or 8 iirc.

Lifesgood72 can play Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C Sharp minor... what a mogger. So maybe he can play an 8, but idk.

mirin this hard the last few days, thoughts @john2?

Yeah that piece is good, very popular. It's played in competitions mostly.
But this is just a piano transcription of it. Listen to the actual orchestral version.

I'm a big fan of this music video (i generally don't watch these, but this one is nice) -

.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

Solid 6... like, give me anything and i'll learn it quickly and play it flawlessly without fail. It's super easy for me.

I can pretty much play a wide range of pieces from 7. Some are unknown which i might struggle with.

Weak 8 (since i'm able to play it), but i manage it over time. You're learning Beethoven atm right? Most of it is 7 or 8 iirc.

Lifesgood72 can play Rachmaninoff's Prelude in C Sharp minor... what a mogger. So maybe he can play an 8, but idk.

Yeah that piece is good, very popular. It's played in competitions mostly.
But this is just a piano transcription of it. Listen to the actual orchestral version.

I'm a big fan of this music video (i generally don't watch these, but this one is nice) -

.

I’m going to bed now so I’ll check that out tmrw. And yeah I heard the full version yesterday, the end is incredible. I like the solo version bc it’s something I can play some day. Sounds like you’ve got maybe 2-3 year of practice on me and he’s got 5 or so. We’re all gonna make it bro. Let’s all rent out a concert hall in Russia when we go russian bride maxxing in 5 years

 

[Kingkellz]

Ok bro thanks! Idk the first thing about music theory, just been winging it with no teacher for a year or two so I ought to fill in the blanks

Theory is interesting imo
Basically everything comes down to scales, modes, chords, and chord progressions the way I see it.

For example let's take the C major scale.

c, d, e, f, g, a, b, c
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Pattern of major scale is W, W, H, W, W, W, H
W= whole step H= half step
Learn to pick any note and play the major scale using this formula. Remember this pattern is only for major scales. Its different for melodic, relative, harmonic minor, and whole tone, etc etc. Each of them will have a different whole step, half step pattern.

After that learn the pattern/formula for major triads aka major chords.

Let's take C major triad in the. C major scale. In root position the notes are as follows C-E-G. To create a major triad simply stack the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of a major scale on top of each other. The C major triad would be C-E-G.

Formula to build any major triad: 4 half steps from the first note(root) then 3 half steps from the 2nd note(3rd).
For example build the A major triad:

Then learn to make major into minor, augmented, and diminished.

Assuming all chords in root position (no inversions for beginners)

C major to C minor: flat the 3rd note so from ceg to c, e flat, g

C major to C augmented: sharp the 5th so from ceg to c, e, g sharp

C major to C diminished: flat the 3rd and the 5 the so from ceg to c, e flat, g flat

C major diatonic chords and function of each scale degree, what chords are built on each note and sclae degree.

C 1- tonic (C major)
D 2- supertonic (D minor)
E 3- mediant (E minor)
F 4- subdominant ( F major)
G 5- dominant (G major)
A 6- submediant (A minor)
B 7- leading tone ( B diminished)
C 8- back to 1 aka tonic ( C major)

Learn basic and common chord progressions:
In key of C
1,4,5 = cmaj to fmaj to gmaj
2,5,1 = dmin to gmaj to cmaj
6,4,1,5 = Amin to fmaj to cmaj to fmaj


This is basics then learn it in all the minor scales too.

Then you can try learning all the fun stuff

Chord subs, borrowed chords, how to use secondary dominants, how-to use tritone substitution, how to build chord extensions, learning various chord types etc etc
The list goes on

Sorry my explanations were kind of rough and rushed. I just wanted to give you an idea.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Theory is interesting imo
Basically everything comes down to scales, modes, chords, and chord progressions the way I see it.

For example let's take the C major scale.

c, d, e, f, g, a, b, c
1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8

Pattern of major scale is W, W, H, W, W, W, H
W= whole step H= half step
Learn to pick any note and play the major scale using this formula. Remember this pattern is only for major scales. Its different for melodic, relative, harmonic minor, and whole tone, etc etc. Each of them will have a different whole step, half step pattern.

After that learn the pattern/formula for major triads aka major chords.

Let's take C major triad in the. C major scale. In root position the notes are as follows C-E-G. To create a major triad simply stack the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of a major scale on top of each other. The C major triad would be C-E-G.

Formula to build any major triad: 4 half steps from first note then 3 half steps from 2nd note.

Then learn to make major into minor, augmented, and diminished.

Assuming all chords in root position (no inversions for beginners)

C major to C minor: flat the 3rd note so from ceg to c, e flat, g

C major to C augmented: sharp the 5th so from ceg to c, e, g sharp

C major to C diminished: flat the 3rd and the 5 the so from ceg to c, e flat, g flat

C major diatonic chords and function of each scale degree, what chords are built on each note and sclae degree.

C 1- tonic (C major)
D 2- supertonic (D minor)
E 3- mediant (E minor)
F 4- subdominant ( F major)
G 5- dominant (G major)
A 6- submediant (A minor)
B 7- leading tone ( B diminished)
C 8- back to 1 aka tonic ( C major)

Learn basic and common chord progressions:
In key of C
1,4,5 = cmaj to fmaj to gmaj
2,5,1 = dmin to gmaj to cmaj
6,4,1,5 = Amin to fmaj to cmaj to fmaj


This is basics then learn it in all the minor scales too.

Then you can try learning all the fun stuff

Chord subs, borrowed chords, how to use secondary dominants, how-to use tritone substitution, how to build chord extensions, learning various chord types etc etc
The list goes on

Sorry my explanations were kind of rough and rushed. I just wanted to give you an idea.

Bookmarked
Comes in handy because I play several instruments and that would help me reach new plateaus
Especially on my trombone and contrabass

 

[Deleted member 773]

Oh ok so same as me. Just pick a piece and go for it approach? Also sounds like you’re not as far ahead of me as I thought. My moonlight 3rd is nowhere near concert ready but it’s a sloppy half speed which is Good enough to sound impressive, only played it for a couple weeks too. What henle level of pieces would you say is closest to your skill level? I’d say around 6 for me. Also @Lifeisgood72 what level would you say you are?

I can play pretty much anything technically. But there’s so much more to piano, and right now I’m not practicing as much as I used to but I’ll get back on track soon.

 

[OOGABOOGA]

I can play pretty much anything technically. But there’s so much more to piano, and right now I’m not practicing as much as I used to but I’ll get back on track soon.

 

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It's all in my interests bro. The best hobby ngl.

See how Chopin, Liszt, Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Brahms, Beethoven and Schumann etc. would compose in such a refined and elegant style... it's all dying. Their music was much more famous. Pretty much all modern composers have blended in trashy jazz and weirdly modern harmonies which are less appealing and more unpleasant... it's cringey and eww... a shame to the true art of Western baroque, classical and romantic music. I'm all fine up to the 1950's or till Scriabin composed. After that music just started declining, it's ugly.

This is what a genius' sonata sounds like -



This is what a modern composer's sonata sounds like (trying to look cool) -

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You tell me which one is more appealing and pleasant to listen to.

Even amateur composers are terrible at composing and experts at butchering the works of the past.
I'm not even gonna go into modern lyrical music.


I learned mostly through synthesia, but I do refer to sheet music timely too for time signatures and notes by the composer himself.
I haven't been through Hanon's exercise book, i've only been through Czerny's and it's pretty good for technique, but putting your head all over it and stressing on it isn't worth it since they're only exercises. But I've heard both of them are a waste of time since you spend time in exercises alone and not learning new pieces.

I practiced a little bit Bach however... since Frederic Chopin would himself make his students practice Bach back in the 19th century.

You should go over Hanon's book if you really want to build up a strong base. But I place more importance on learning simple scales, arpeggios and new pieces. This is just from my experience.


A lot. It's definitely a grade 8+ piece.

Alot of contemporary music is self-indulgent trash but I have to give a shoutout to Gyorgi Ligeti who truly was an exemplary contemporary composer.



This piece may seem jarring at first but so does regular classical music to first time listeners. The taste will get acquired eventually. Look at how the sheet music reflects style of the music, the slur marks are constantly shifting up and down across the staff. Like cars on a busy road. It's basically how the old classical style reacts to modern technology and ideals, Beethoven's music did this too for his time remember. Also notice how the voices are constantly shifting across the piano. It's not as beautiful or as tonal as classical music but there's something to it.

Also if you count Prokofiev or late Scriabin as contemporary there is tons of greatness there as well.