"Just a Numbers Game Bro" Theory is Actually Somewhat Legit...

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I wanted to make this thread because I wanted to know if anyone else here has had success getting decent to hot girls despite being below average to average. I realize if you're legitimately ugly (which isn't the vast majority of this board btw) this might not apply.

Look, I know at the end of the day looks is the most important thing in determining attraction and resulting sexual/romantic success. And hypergamy is obviously real more specifically for online dating apps and being able to get sex easily irl. No doubt about it, and I'm still going to get bimax/Taban eye area overhaul next year to make my life easier and make my happier. But I've gotten enough girls out of my league so far to see that it's actually not AS impossible as you would think to find exceptions to the black pill. In the last 2 years since my breakup I've had sex/hooked up with girls ranging from my looksmatch to maybe PSL 5.5, and more importantly all 5 girls I've been in a relationship with/been extensively talking to and hooking up with (but with no relationship label) have been at least PSL 5 and I'm around PSL 3.75, 5'9, with a good body. I'm about to graduate from a very good school too and I'm charismatic so I guess those halo me a little bit but at the end of the day I'm still slightly below average in appearance due to my poor eye area and recessed jaws.

The girl I went on a dinner date with this past weekend (from hinge) was a lot hotter in person and I thought it was pretty awkward because she just didn't initiate much convo, and it was quiet at points with me having to carry the conversation most of the time. So I thought for sure she just wasn't attracted to me and we wouldn't talk again. But surprisingly she texted me after the date saying she had a lot of fun and wants to meet up again this week. And later this week I might actually have 2 more dates, one with a super nerdy but really cute girl playing mini golf and one with this girl at her campus apartment who's maybe like 10 pounds away from being really hot but she still has a nice body and her face is decent. We're just hooking up though. I don't want to date her but she'd be a good FWB.

And it's not like I'm really even approaching either. I never cold approach outside of bar/concert situations and even there I only do it if it's a natural interaction. I mainly just use tinder, hinge, and get to know mutual friends. I don't get a shit ton of matches or anything on dating apps but even if I'm getting just a few matches a day between both apps that's a decent number of options in a week and if I can get the number/snap from let's say 3 out of every 10 girls I message, I'm doing alright.

For those of you who have actually legitimately put in effort, what are your experiences with this? I'm curious.
 
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homie wrote out the entire holy bible
 
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Dn read all but ofc trying more means more results.

Actions and personality DO matter

Looks matter and are the main thing but if you're average with super nt features it's pretty good.
Personality isn't something you can just change by flipping a switch. You need to be a certain way and it's really hard to fake, you need to grow into it or be born with it.

If you're ugly then no nt is going to save you.

Red pill works at around 4 to 6 psl. Above or below it's just looks.
 
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Nice to see HegelIan length philosophy being distributed on Looksmax.
 
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Tales From the Basement | A-F-R-O



jk OP is a slayer! Congrats bro
 
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I had decent results with cold approaching.
 
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If you're getting laid with 5.5 PSL girls then you are not 3.75 PSL. And you're getting dates from dating apps...
 
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Don't act like you honestly have anything better to do bro.
Currently taking a break from studying to scroll through .me after a date I had with a classmate
 
Currently taking a break from studying to scroll through .me after a date I had with a classmate
Actually also taking a break from studying for an exam tonight. Not at all prepared lol. I kinda stopped giving a fuck after I secured a job post grad but I gotta turn it around.
 
Actually also taking a break from studying for an exam tonight. Not at all prepared lol. I kinda stopped giving a fuck after I secured a job post grad but I gotta turn it around.
Best of luck, my exams aren’t for another 2 years but I just like starting study early so I don’t have any stress when sitting them. My first reply was all in good fun, hope your study pays off bro
 
Best of luck, my exams aren’t for another 2 years but I just like starting study early so I don’t have any stress when sitting them. My first reply was all in good fun, hope your study pays off bro
Oh shit. Good luck to you too bro. Is it med/grad school related exams?
 
In my experience if I had to put in efforts the date usually went no where. All my success with women came as naturally as breathing the air. So number game might be legit but I don’t really want to try it.
 
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Oh shit. Good luck to you too bro. Is it med/grad school related exams?
Nah it’s my countries version of high schools exams you take for leaving school and you get a certain amount of points based off the percentage range your results for each exam fall into and to get into high paying degrees you need a shit ton of points so I’m just starting the grind early
 
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Didnt read followed your advice and decided to leave the basement yesterday and got cucked in a party lol
 
But theres some truth to these as the only girl ive been with was kinda mentally ill and she did not find the typical chads good looking. There are some girls that have types tbh but are difficult to find
 
where's the tldr?
 
I'm around PSL 3.75, 5'9, with a good body.
whom decided your face is 3.75 PSL???
Good body is rare, wel done.

Still overall.
50 percentile face
and
99 percentile body

OVERALL
Still makes you in appearance: 66 percentile.
Not bad. high tier normie overall ranges.

Add in extraversion maxxed. And you are competeing with Chadlites.
 
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OP is actually right. This is the most important part of "game" quite frankly. The more times you try, the more that small chance of success goes in your favor.
 
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If you're getting laid with 5.5 PSL girls then you are not 3.75 PSL. And you're getting dates from dating apps...
fucking black and white mentality back it again, you need to realize that there are many exceptions to the rule, the blackpill doesn't always hold up. What you said indicates you to me you have limited experience with women in general, being nt actually matters dipshit
 
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Yes it is just a numbers game

A numbers game where top 10% win
 
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whom decided your face is 3.75 PSL???
Good body is rare, wel done.

Still overall.
50 percentile face
and
99 percentile body

OVERALL
Still makes you in appearance: 66 percentile.
Not bad. high tier normie overall ranges.

Add in extraversion maxxed. And you are competeing with Chadlites.
with those stats he could mog a great chunk of the population, chadelites are even becoming a rare sight nowadays, replaced by skinnyfat, beardfrauding sub 5's.
 
Numbers game has nothing to do with online dating. Everyone is playing numbers game there, its the default gamemode.
 
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fucking black and white mentality back it again, you need to realize that there are many exceptions to the rule, the blackpill doesn't always hold up. What you said indicates you to me you have limited experience with women in general, being nt actually matters dipshit
nigga if you are even matching 5.5PSL girls on tinder , let alone having them agree to date you. theres no way you are 3.75psl. online dating = 100% looks.
 
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nigga if you are even matching 5.5PSL girls on tinder , let alone having them agree to date you. theres no way you are 3.75psl. online dating = 100% looks.
nigga he has a top tier body, it's not out of the realm of possibility for him to get matches if he used nt pics, i wouldn't be suprised if he got a decent sample of quality matches
 
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nigga he has a top tier body, it's not out of the realm of possibility for him to get matches if he used nt pics, i wouldn't be suprised if he got a decent sample of quality matches

FACE
 
nigga he has a top tier body, it's not out of the realm of possibility for him to get matches if he used nt pics, i wouldn't be suprised if he got a decent sample of quality matches
hes not 3.75psl. i think he never posted face here if im right but you could see he was quite decent looking. any yeah body does add into attractiveness.
 
nigga he has a top tier body, it's not out of the realm of possibility for him to get matches if he used nt pics, i wouldn't be suprised if he got a decent sample of quality matches
It’s not top tier bro but it’s pretty good. And yeah I have pics of me actually doing shit.

People underestimate how fat/skinny fat most dudes are. A good shirtless pic helped me.
 

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hes not 3.75psl. i think he never posted face here if im right but you could see he was quite decent looking. any yeah body does add into attractiveness.
great body with psl 3.75 face= 4.25 maybe 4.5 psl if you want to be lenient. So if you're taking account everything as a whole i would agree he isn't psl 3.75.
 
It’s not top tier bro but it’s pretty good. And yeah I have pics of me actually doing shit.

People underestimate how fat/skinny fat most dudes are. A good shirtless pic helped me.
you have an adonis belt, with good clavicles, and a solid v-taper, your body is very much above average bro
 
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It’s not top tier bro but it’s pretty good. And yeah I have pics of me actually doing shit.

People underestimate how fat/skinny fat most dudes are. A good shirtless pic helped me.
unless you have shit tier eyes or are norwood 3, you are not 3.75psl lmao.
 
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It’s not top tier bro but it’s pretty good. And yeah I have pics of me actually doing shit.

People underestimate how fat/skinny fat most dudes are. A good shirtless pic helped me.
lol with this body you are never a 3.75 psl
Did you used this picture on tinder?
Can you pm face pics?
 
you have an adonis belt, with good clavicles, and a solid v-taper, your body is very much above average bro

Cope. Average.
 
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:lul: you are one dumb motherfucker ngl

muh if it isn't seid or laid it's average, why's looksmax becoming more populated with you low iq rats?

He has an average physique. Achievable in 4 months natural + he is a manlet at 5'9.

Jfl, I joined before you.
 
GAME only works to help you not screw it up for a girl that's already attracted or at least doesn't find you repulsive. However, because of online dating women have so many options unless she thinks highly of you she wouldn't give you a chance. In our parents' generation it was different as women's perceptions of options were limited.
 
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Strong game my homie 👊
 
He has an average physique. Achievable in 4 months natural + he is a manlet at 5'9.

Jfl, I joined before you.
ofc it's achievable natty, the point is the average male body is not like his at all in the slightest.
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average male bodies from young to middle-aged. And on here longer than me and still lower iq, brutal
 
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ofc it's achievable natty, the point is the average male body is not like his at all in the slightest.
View attachment 699207 average male bodies from young to middle-aged. And on here longer than me and still lower iq, brutal

Who cares about IQ when it's all about the FACE? The point I'm making is his FACE is definitely at least 4.5PSL or he wouldn't be matching with high tier beckies on dating apps. His frame, body and height are not good enough to halo him to the point it would increase his match rates. It's his FACE. Getting dates on these apps is all about the FACE.
 
He has an average physique. Achievable in 4 months natural + he is a manlet at 5'9.

Jfl, I joined before you.
You’re spot on, I actually did achieve it in like 4-5 months natty lol. Technically been lifting longer but COVID fucked everything up so I lost everything and had to rebuild. Long way to go. My core needs a lot more work so my abs show more and my shoulders/arms/legs are still pretty small.

Surprisingly I’ve never had much of an issue being 5’9. At least with girls anyways, because I’d love to be taller for athletic purposes and just feeling better. Obviously I’m sure it limits my options and it’d be easier being tall, but no girl has ever asked me for my height in the messages or had a problem with it after meeting in person.

Who cares about IQ when it's all about the FACE? The point I'm making is his FACE is definitely at least 4.5PSL or he wouldn't be matching with high tier beckies on dating apps. His frame, body and height are not good enough to halo him to the point it would increase his match rates. It's his FACE. Getting dates on these apps is all about the FACE.
Eh, idk my match rate went up a decent amount after putting up the shirtless pic. Also on hinge my shirtless pic is always the one girls like. If you’re unfamiliar with it you like one of the person’s pics to try to match. I think you’re underestimating how lazy and out of shape most people are. That’s why I always say the baseline looksmax you should always do is gym. It increases sexual appeal.

Of course face is extremely important, but like I said there are so, so many options that by the laws of statistics you’re bound to run into exceptions on these apps. And in person obviously it’s easier because you’re more than just a few 2D images and girls are a little less picky irl.
 
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He has an average physique. Achievable in 4 months natural + he is a manlet at 5'9.

Jfl, I joined before you.
I went to a spa last week.
I can assure you, most men are not looking like that. Most are skinny fat, or just fat-fat.
 
Who cares about IQ when it's all about the FACE? The point I'm making is his FACE is definitely at least 4.5PSL or he wouldn't be matching with high tier beckies on dating apps. His frame, body and height are not good enough to halo him to the point it would increase his match rates. It's his FACE. Getting dates on these apps is all about the FACE.
It's all about this, it's all about that, shut the fuck up already. It's about everything and what you bring as a whole; have you seen astrosky's face: 6 PSL. Then look at his estrogenic body and he drops to a 5.5 PSL, i'm done arguing with you, you really are dumb as shit my nigga
 
Tbh i've seen guys of all races date girls, all they did was grind them down and constantly hit on them for like 6 months and its possible tbh

Especially for white girls, if ur in their social circle and you hit on them for long enough u can date ur looksmatch (or above) even if ur ethnic.
 
JUST LIVE IN THE WEST BRO
 
In England that is a 95th percentile body, cope if you think most guys have the discipline to sustain that low bf%

Body > Face for Tinder game

Face > Body for pretty much anything else

Face + Body > Face

I don't know why this is complicated for some for you, and i'm a greyboi
 

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