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[Repentsinner]

Face is everything we all know muscles are cope you would look better with a twink body but defined face

 

[Deleted member 24444]

Water is wet

 

[khvirgin]

Cope.
Muscles will always add appeal

 

[Toth's thot]

60kg meth addicted twink leanness level or death

 

[SA7]

 

[5.5psl]

Lean with muscles is ultimate sex appeal i don't know why bulking is considered a meme here you are barely sacrificing your facial attractivenes for a year but once you get lean with muscles you will look much better than a average Joe and if your tall then it will add to your appeal even further

 

[Tonymontana]

Lean with muscles is ultimate sex appeal i don't know why bulking is considered a meme here you are barely sacrificing your facial attractivenes for a year but once you get lean with muscles you will look much better than a average Joe and if your tall then it will add to your appeal even further

The only time you need to bulk is if you’re underweight/low BMI. If you’re at a healthy adult weight (23-25 BMI), just progressive overload in the gym while eating close to maintenance and recomp into a lean athletic body.

Bulking is for bodybuilders/actual gymcels. If your priority is looksmaxxing and being attractive to females, intentionally getting fatter and pushing bodyweight past what’s “enough” is silly

95% of guys at average height (5’9) will never weigh more than 160-170 tops at low bodyfat natty even after years of bulking. So you might as well just stay around that range and recomp instead of fucking up your aesthetics over and over by bulking

 

[Deleted member 24444]

The only time you need to bulk is if you’re underweight/low BMI. If you’re at a healthy adult weight (23-25 BMI), just progressive overload in the gym while eating close to maintenance and recomp into a lean athletic body.

Bulking is for bodybuilders/actual gymcels. If your priority is looksmaxxing and being attractive to females, intentionally getting fatter and pushing bodyweight past what’s “enough” is silly

This

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Obese powelifter mogs lean

 

[zharupodrugu]

Twink cope. U need both

 

[5.5psl]

The only time you need to bulk is if you’re underweight/low BMI. If you’re at a healthy adult weight (23-25 BMI), just progressive overload in the gym while eating close to maintenance and recomp into a lean athletic body.

Bulking is for bodybuilders/actual gymcels. If your priority is looksmaxxing and being attractive to females, intentionally getting fatter and pushing bodyweight past what’s “enough” is silly

95% of guys at average height (5’9) will never weigh more than 160-170 tops at low bodyfat natty even after years of bulking. So you might as well just stay around that range and recomp instead of fucking up your aesthetics over and over by bulking

Dirty bulking is a meme and if you are eating close to your maintenance or just 100-200 calories you won't gain fat that much and I myself don't want to be natty as I am 6'3 and even after years of training I will always look DYEL in shirt so bulking on roids and then cutting for about a year is more than enough for me to reach good physique that appeals to both men and women something around ffmi 23-24

 

[Tonymontana]

Dirty bulking is a meme and if you are eating close to your maintenance or just 100-200 calories you won't gain fat that much and I myself don't want to be natty as I am 6'3 and even after years of training I will always look DYEL in shirt so bulking on roids and then cutting for about a year is more than enough for me to reach good physique that appeals to both men and women something around ffmi 23-24

I don’t understand this infatuation with looking “big in clothes”. Convinced it’s a male body dysmorphia thing.

Similar to how a lot of attractive women think they need to be thinner and thinner when they’re actually sexier to men with a little more fat vs being anorexic.

Being lean with an athletic level of muscle has always been the standard for the most appeal. Looking “big in clothes” is something separate to looksmaxxing. It’s where you’re shifting into full gymcel territory and prioritizing size and bodybuilding over looksmaxxing/sex appral

 

[5.5psl]

I don’t understand this infatuation with looking “big in clothes”. Convinced it’s a male body dysmorphia thing.

Similar to how a lot of attractive women think they need to be thinner and thinner when they’re actually sexier to men with a little more fat vs being anorexic.

Being lean with an athletic level of muscle has always been the standard for the most appeal. Looking “big in clothes” is something separate to looksmaxxing. It’s where you’re shifting into full gymcel territory and prioritizing size and bodybuilding over looksmaxxing/sex appral

Well if that's the case then let it be we all should try to max things in our hands I have a good height in my hands so I am trying to slay with height + muscles with an average face , tattoes , piercings and tan if you have an above average then you should focus upon maxxing that with an athletic DYEL physique

 

[Tonymontana]

Well if that's the case then let it be we all should try to max things in our hands I have a good height in my hands so I am trying to slay with height + muscles with an average face , tattoes , piercings and tan if you have an above average then you should focus upon maxxing that with an athletic DYEL physique

I can respect that.

Personally, I’m a lean gymcelled 165 lbs and covered in tattoos. Have absolutely no need or desire to get bigger because I already attract the women I like.

Now I’m focused on making money/improving lifestyle and freedom. This is why guys should looksmaxx hard and as fast as possible so they can just maintain and move on with their life.

Continuing to looksmaxx past that point is an endless spiral of diminishing returns that will take away much more from your life than improve it.

 

[5.5psl]

I can respect that.

Personally, I’m a lean gymcelled 165 lbs and covered in tattoos. Have absolutely no need or desire to get bigger because I already attract the women I like.

Now I’m focused on making money/improving lifestyle and freedom. This is why guys should looksmaxx hard and as fast as possible so they can just maintain and move on with their life.

Continuing to looksmaxx past that point is an endless spiral of diminishing returns that will take away much more from your life than improve it.

Yes true when I myself reach about 90+kg at about 9-10%bf that would be my only looksmaxxing it will change my physique a lot and my face too hope I can get an above average face when lean and then I myself will focus on money/status maxxing

 

[Chinacurry]

Obese powelifter mogs lean

Been there, done that

Now gonna cut 20kg (already cut 10)

 

[Descargue96]

Face is everything we all know muscles are cope you would look better with a twink body but defined face

Women are atracted to a good frame as well, or a Shoulder to waist Golden ratio, and that is achievable with bulking . Imo the best is to Lean Bulk, starting in a caloric deficit, and then slowly going up until maintenance,or 200 surplus, always looking to keep the face as lean as possible (Obiously, always checking the factors that keep the face lean like Sodium to postasium ratio, lots if water, etc etc

 

[Repentsinner]

View attachment 2046739keep coping

 

[Repentsinner]

Women are atracted to a good frame as well, or a Shoulder to waist Golden ratio, and that is achievable with bulking . Imo the best is to Lean Bulk, starting in a caloric deficit, and then slowly going up until maintenance,or 200 surplus, always looking to keep the face as lean as possible (Obiously, always checking the factors that keep the face lean like Sodium to postasium ratio, lots if water, etc etc

All of this is cope lean is everything

 

[softlysoftly]

I don’t understand this infatuation with looking “big in clothes”. Convinced it’s a male body dysmorphia thing.

if you look dyel in clothes you don't get the halo of having larger stronger muscles
it wouldn't matter if we walked around shirtless everyday everywhere we go but clearly thats not how society functions anymore so you need enough to where you fill clothes out to make it obvious

 

[eduardkoopman]

Face is everything we all know muscles are cope you would look better with a twink body but defined face

Defined face + low bodfat + muscles
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Defined face + low bodfat + no muscles
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shit face + low bodfat + no muscles

 

[Tonymontana]

if you look dyel in clothes you don't get the halo of having larger stronger muscles
it wouldn't matter if we walked around shirtless everyday everywhere we go but clearly thats not how society functions anymore so you need enough to where you fill clothes out to make it obvious

Lean face but smaller in clothes>bloated face and big in clothes for ATTRACTING females. Being big in clothes draws attention and respect from men. Being lean and sharp is what gets women wet.

Even if you get big while staying lean, past an athletic level of muscle where you just look slim in clothes is diminishing returns. Lean chiseled face is king. Then having some muscle so you have abs, delts, and shape to your body.

Guys think being big in clothes is a halo or looksmaxx, because it satisfies the male ego in terms of sizemogging other dudes, and you look better in the eyes of other men. But to females, you don’t need to be that big to appeal to most of them.

Youre comprimising attractiveness just to sizemog because most men cant be lean and simultaneously big in clothes

 

[Deleted member 2268]

Lean face but smaller in clothes>bloated face and big in clothes for ATTRACTING females. Being big in clothes draws attention and respect from men. Being lean and sharp is what gets women wet.

Even if you get big while staying lean, past an athletic level of muscle where you just look slim in clothes is diminishing returns. Lean chiseled face is king. Then having some muscle so you have abs, delts, and shape to your body.

Guys think being big in clothes is a halo or looksmaxx, because it satisfies the male ego in terms of sizemogging other dudes, and you look better in the eyes of other men. But to females, you don’t need to be that big to appeal to most of them.

Youre comprimising attractiveness just to sizemog because most men cant be lean and simultaneously big in clothes

Roids are male gaze

 

[lebronjames23]

Roids are male gaze

Vinnie hacker is female gaze physique

 

[Deleted member 22553]

Just be lean and 6'2" or taller tbh

 

[softlysoftly]

Lean face but smaller in clothes>bloated face and big in clothes for ATTRACTING females. Being big in clothes draws attention and respect from men. Being lean and sharp is what gets women wet.

I forgot I was talking to a natty bro
well then what you said applies but when you are on peds like me you can maintain a lean sharp face and still fill out clothes basically be big and lean at the same time

 

[Birdcell]

Some women love muscles and there no other way around it , it's not always black and white

 

[potentialzaddy]

vinnie hacker body is probably peak female appeal but its good to be bigger to get respect from other men

 

[pcmaxing]

Both
Face is more important
but a woman will subconsciously rate your face higher then it is.. if you got an amazing build. they go hand and hand

having a chad face and a bird body only works for teenagers, when you become a full grown adult women drool over muscles

 

[chawaje]

Lean with muscles is ultimate sex appeal i don't know why bulking is considered a meme here you are barely sacrificing your facial attractivenes for a year but once you get lean with muscles you will look much better than a average Joe and if your tall then it will add to your appeal even further

Yup
U need to fraud ur genetics to its finest so size is important as well