Leanmaxing will stunt growth, you should unironically be obese

[LVZZO]

Evidence suggests you should be overweight during childhood and teenage years
Just control your estrogen levels if you don't want child bearing hips, keep a lean bulk and exercise regularly
Keep a 15-25% body fat

This is why fatcels are taller and have big frames
For example this partially explains why fat girls have bigger hips than thin girls
(fat girls are underrated tbh)

Visceral fat area, Waist–hip ratio

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6994756/

Body weight is a principal determinant of bone density and fracture risk, and adipose tissue mass is a major contributor to this relationship. In contrast, some recent studies have argued that "fat mass after adjustment for body weight" actually has a deleterious effect on bone, but these analyses are confounded by the co-linearity between the variables studied, and therefore have produced misleading results. Mechanistically, fat and bone are linked by a multitude of pathways, which ultimately serve the function of providing a skeleton appropriate to the mass of adipose tissue it is carrying. Adiponectin, insulin/amylin/preptin, leptin and adipocytic estrogens are all likely to be involved in this connection. In the clinic, the key issues are that obesity is protective against osteoporosis, but underweight is a major preventable risk factor for fractures.

Fat and bone - PubMed

Body weight is a principal determinant of bone density and fracture risk, and adipose tissue mass is a major contributor to this relationship. In contrast, some recent studies have argued that "fat mass after adjustment for body weight" actually has a deleterious effect on bone, but these...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Data included baseline assessment of girls ages 7-11 years participating in a dietary weight-loss intervention​

Correlation between total body fat (g) and a) bone mineral content (BMC (g)) b) lean mass (g) in obese and morbidly obese girls​

The effect of obesity on musculoskeletal health is an important area of investigation, as obese children have been a population with surges in fracture incidence and have poorer muscle function relative to their healthier weight peers. Although it has become clear that body mass is a significant determinant of bone and lean mass in absolute terms, the influence of excessive amounts of fat on musculoskeletal quality during critical stages of development is an emerging health concern. Particularly in girls, across the pubertal years, body fat has been associated with larger and denser bones in girls; however, accelerated skeletal growth and greater bone and lean mass does not translate into qualitative benefits in musculoskeletal quality.

Quantity Does Not Reflect Quality- Musculoskeletal Health in Obese Peri- Pubertal Girls

Jfl some scientists thought the opposite was true

The main finding of this study was that body fat mass (Android or Gynoid) was positively associated with BMD, regardless of gender (Males or Females) or sites (Femur or Lumbar spine), which was inconsistent with our hypothesis or conventional perception. Gender differences were found in body fat distribution, consistent with the previous studies. In males, fat was more likely to be concentrated in the abdomen (Android fat), and in females, fat was more likely to be concentrated in the buttocks (Gynoid fat). Genome-wide association studies from the UK Biobank suggested that specific loci might determine fat distribution. On the other hand, gene-environment-related effects were one of the possible mechanisms. Metabolomics, microbiomics, and the dietary lifestyle of individuals might all be involved.

The association between body fat distribution and bone mineral density: evidence from the US population - BMC Endocrine Disorders

Objective To investigate the association between different body fat distribution and different sites of BMD in male and female populations. Methods Use the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) datasets to select participants. The weighted linear regression model investigated...

bmcendocrdisord.biomedcentral.com

 

[appeal]

at 18 u may as well cut to 10%
u ain’t gonna lose anything + it’s prime time

 

[xeqri]

There’s literally a study proving obese males during puberty have a smaller dick lmao

 

[Deleted member 71265]

For example this partially explains why fat girls have bigger hips than thin girls

Wouldnt this be because they have more fat on their hips? Or did it account for that

 

[LVZZO]

There’s literally a study proving obese males during puberty have a smaller dick lmao

 

[Deleted member 72630]

this makes sense. Honestly every pubertal fatty I have seen who lost weight has very thick and heavy bones . Being fat is probably good if you get fat from healthy foods like raw meat and milk, then your hormones will still mostly be in check. If you get fat from soy and grain you will probably be very unhealthy though.

 

[xeqri]

You’re such a faggot lmao

Obesity Is Strongly Associated With Low Testosterone and Reduced Penis Growth During Development - PubMed

Childhood obesity represents an important determinant of lower testosterone level and reduced penis development. A new method should be employed to improve penis measurement in normal-weight and overweight/obese boys. The possible significance of these observations for adult genital development...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[elemanzelvadre]

There’s literally a study proving obese males during puberty have a smaller dick lmao

i was obese and low t around 50 ng dl and high e at my penis growth but my dick 6"

 

[xeqri]

i was obese and low t around 50 ng dl and high e at my penis growth but my dick 6"

Well they found out on average obese kids had a 10% smaller dick, which is A LOT, so realistically speaking you had the potential to have 6.6 inches instead of you were lean

 

[elemanzelvadre]

Well they found out on average obese kids had a 10% smaller dick, which is A LOT, so realistically speaking you had the potential to have 6.6 inches instead of you were lean

and If I were lean, I would probably be 8 cm taller in adult height im midget rn

I guess I'm little unlucky

 

[ShawarmaFilth]

I need to get to 13% asap

But tbh i’m getting all of my nutrients because of my optimal diet

Infact i dont even feel hungry while deficiting


Do you think i’d still be affected?

 

[xeqri]

“iM RetArDed jUsT bE fAt haAhhah”

 

[Deleted member 23558]

You’re such a faggot lmao

Obesity Is Strongly Associated With Low Testosterone and Reduced Penis Growth During Development - PubMed

Childhood obesity represents an important determinant of lower testosterone level and reduced penis development. A new method should be employed to improve penis measurement in normal-weight and overweight/obese boys. The possible significance of these observations for adult genital development...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

thats obesity

overweight mogs ramirez was fat till 15

biggest bone moggers drago hexum were also fat and gandy also (although not in the level of bone mog as those two)

 

[JohnDoe]

Obese? No because your hormones will be fucked. But you should be eating at a surplus for sure.
Like brahmin said above, fat = optimal, most fat guys chew and chew and chew and end up with good jaws under the fat so when they leanmaxx as an adult they become moggers.

 

[exo]

cope

 

[Deleted member 69008]

Evidence suggests you should be overweight during childhood and teenage years
Just control your estrogen levels if you don't want child bearing hips, keep a lean bulk and exercise regularly
Keep a 15-25% body fat
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This is why fatcels are taller and have big frames
For example this partially explains why fat girls have bigger hips than thin girls
(fat girls are underrated tbh)
View attachment 2960121
Visceral fat area, Waist–hip ratio

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6994756/

Fat and bone - PubMed

Body weight is a principal determinant of bone density and fracture risk, and adipose tissue mass is a major contributor to this relationship. In contrast, some recent studies have argued that "fat mass after adjustment for body weight" actually has a deleterious effect on bone, but these...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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Data included baseline assessment of girls ages 7-11 years participating in a dietary weight-loss intervention​

Correlation between total body fat (g) and a) bone mineral content (BMC (g)) b) lean mass (g) in obese and morbidly obese girls​

Quantity Does Not Reflect Quality- Musculoskeletal Health in Obese Peri- Pubertal Girls

Jfl some scientists thought the opposite was true

The association between body fat distribution and bone mineral density: evidence from the US population - BMC Endocrine Disorders

Objective To investigate the association between different body fat distribution and different sites of BMD in male and female populations. Methods Use the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) datasets to select participants. The weighted linear regression model investigated...

bmcendocrdisord.biomedcentral.com

you are not growing anymore at 18

 

[xeqri]

thats obesity

overweight mogs ramirez was fat till 15

biggest bone moggers drago hexum were also fat and gandy also (although not in the level of bone mog as those two)

ok but it’s proven the fatter you are the lower your test is gonna be and the higher your estrogen is gonna be, it’s a direct relationship at this point (of course only until you’re normal weight and not underweight.) also there’s no use bringing good looking people and say it’s because they were fat, that’s just genetics and I’m sure Hernan wouldn’t look different if he had 100 more test or 100 less test while he grew up

 

[elemanzelvadre]

“iM RetArDed jUsT bE fAt haAhhah”

i was literally had 10 ng dl at my first 3 pubertal stage i gymcelled leanmaxxed and became 300 ng dl now bulking to 600

 

[LVZZO]

You’re such a faggot lmao

Lmao you are, the topic of the thread is bone mass and development
Your argument doesn't contradict anything I posted
If anything it adds information, you can be "overweight" by definition and have high test and estrogen levels in check
Ofc the average obese dude won't
And In the thread title "obese" is meant as a hyperbole, as I said it should be around 15-25%
The study you mention testosterone is much lower for obese dudes, that alone explains why their dicks are smaller

As pic shows you can have 700 test and be overweight, many guys have 0 test there lmao
And funny how the authors didn't show the data correlating test and dick size, they could have easily but their premise was to blame obesity so they didn't

 

[Deleted member 23558]

ok but it’s proven the fatter you are the lower your test is gonna be and the higher your estrogen is gonna be, it’s a direct relationship at this point (of course only until you’re normal weight and not underweight.)

Its not direct, some peoples hormonal profile peaks at higher bodyfat (20-23 ish think of those strognmen ) while others peaks at 13-15

also there’s no use bringing good looking people and say it’s because they were fat, that’s just genetics and I’m sure Hernan wouldn’t look different if he had 100 more test or 100 less test while he grew up

well no but id say they have the best bones among the PSL Gods and they all were fat during their teenage years (hernan only leaned out at 23 if i remember correctly)

 

[xeqri]

Lmao you are, the topic of the thread is bone mass and development
Your argument doesn't contradict anything I posted
If anything it adds information, you can be "overweight" by definition and have high test and estrogen levels in check
Ofc the average obese dude won't
And In the thread title "obese" is meant as a hyperbole, as I said it should be around 15-25%
The study you mention testosterone is much lower for obese dudes, that alone explains why their dicks are smaller
View attachment 2960150
As pic shows you can have 700 test and be overweight, many guys have 0 test there lmao
And funny how the authors didn't show the data correlating test and dick size, they could have easily but their premise was to blame obesity so they didn't

View attachment 2960177

It’s already known your androgens are a huge part of your dick growth men, and you can clearly see here that obese kids had a smaller dick all across the board

 

[xeqri]

Lmao you are, the topic of the thread is bone mass and development
Your argument doesn't contradict anything I posted
If anything it adds information, you can be "overweight" by definition and have high test and estrogen levels in check
Ofc the average obese dude won't
And In the thread title "obese" is meant as a hyperbole, as I said it should be around 15-25%
The study you mention testosterone is much lower for obese dudes, that alone explains why their dicks are smaller
View attachment 2960150
As pic shows you can have 700 test and be overweight, many guys have 0 test there lmao
And funny how the authors didn't show the data correlating test and dick size, they could have easily but their premise was to blame obesity so they didn't

View attachment 2960177

And here it shows how test correlates with dick size

 

[LVZZO]

And here it shows how test correlates with dick size

yeah test is the main factor, fat tissue could still mess measuring even if they tried to bone press
It's probably also about test/estrogen ratio, and again they are obese
15%-25% body fat is probably what most guys have in normal group jfl

 

[xeqri]

yeah test is the main factor, fat tissue could still mess measuring even if they tried to bone press
It's probably also about test/estrogen ratio, and again they are obese
15%-25% body fat is probably what most guys have in normal group jfl

I just think it’s worth it to stay at a very slight surplus of 100-200 cals and do a good amount of cardio coupled with lifting, I’m sure if someone does that he’s 95% most likely gonna reach his full potential into adulthood

 

[asdvek]

Cope being lean is better just have slight caloric surplus while being lean

 

[smoth]

over 15%=less production of igf

 

[DR. NICKGA]

over 15%=less production of igf

Dont matter, if you eat so many food = https://looksmax.org/threads/overal...h-taller-wider-bigger-pubertycels-gih.931453/

 

[lestoa]

what if i eat a lot and do a lot of cardio ?

 

[slavic]

fr chubby girls > athletic

 

[LVZZO]

what if i eat a lot and do a lot of cardio ?

Cardio and exercise can be beneficial, since you are introducing stress to the bone tissue
But the main principle here is body adaptation to your body mass
So you will need a bigger frame to support the mass
Ideally you would be muscular 15% body fat by resistance training

Also I need to make a correction, this study doesn't show a correlation between hip size and fat mass in women like I pretended

This is why fatcels are taller and have big frames
For example this partially explains why fat girls have bigger hips than thin girls
(fat girls are underrated tbh)

Visceral fat area, Waist–hip ratio
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6994756/

However high HDL correlates with larger hips in women, it doesn't affect it in men

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167527305007424?casa_token=AlAwme27B44AAAAA:UDIrLwkbykmk2rn_z3o5JdJj2f0yhanH2gRqTz5mjab250Y9iClscatDW1bcNOyc5GePWb5o

High HDL also correlates with higher estrogen in women
At the end of the day, good metabolic markers with the proper dimorphic hormones will lead to proper development

Don't be obese jfl
But leaning will send your body into conservation of energy so it stunts growth, and your bone mass will be lower

 

[lightswinning]

being obese will cuck your test levels retard you might be tall but will be a boneless subhuman after puberty

 

[LVZZO]

being obese will cuck your test levels retard you might be tall but will be a boneless subhuman after puberty

Next time read the thread instead of just the title, retard