leonardo da vinci is the greatest human of all time

[Aiwass]

title

 

[lalalanotlistening]

why

if he existed today his work would be nun special

 

[Aiwass]

why

greatest mind

 

[Incelforeever]

The greatest human of all time is Yad

 

[Aiwass]

The greatest human of all time is Yad

who?

 

[Incelforeever]

who?

 

[Aiwass]

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who?

 

[Incelforeever]

U got time?

 

[Aiwass]

U got time?

yeah, but most likely i wont read anything u type

 

[Arminus]

title

Master mogs Leonardo

 

[Incelforeever]

yeah, but most likely i wont read anything u type

Go on YouTube and enjoy the greatest human to ever live at the peak of his powers.

Type yad pua

 

[greycel]

greatest mind

Depends.. what for?
But I thought about this and what traits should have more weightage and I think the greatest mind, will be the one where if every human had that exact mind, how developed would humanity have become?

People can say Tao, Einstein, Euler, Godel, Newton etc
But they’re all wrong

The answer to that question is:

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[Mori144]

Idk man Benjamin netnyahu is pretty great

 

[Scandicel]

and then i came to life

 

[Former Shortcel]

why

if he existed today his work would be nun special

This is a poor argument, do i even have to explain why?

 

[LettersfromAgartha]

title

design the helicopter 460 years before anyone else brutal

 

[lalalanotlistening]

This is a poor argument, do i even have to explain why?

yes

 

[Chungus]

why

if he existed today his work would be nun special

If archimedes existed today his work would be nun special

 

[Tenres]

Depends.. what for?
But I thought about this and what traits should have more weightage and I think the greatest mind, will be the one where if every human had that exact mind, how developed would humanity have become?

People can say Tao, Einstein, Euler, Godel, Newton etc
But they’re all wrong

The answer to that question is:

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Only looked into this a bit, but the only weakness of Neumann is that he lacked (in a relative way, obv) the fluid reasoning of someone like Einstein, Newton, maybe even Aristotle in some ways. In most contexts, he destroys basically everyone else.

 

[Tenres]

But nah Da Vinci doesn't even come close to the top, although he is a genius. His designs were largely already discussed elsewhere. So its just people assuming that things like air travel weren't theorized before Da Vinci.

 

[Aiwass]

But nah Da Vinci doesn't even come close to the top, although he is a genius. His designs were largely already discussed elsewhere. So its just people assuming that things like air travel weren't theorized before Da Vinci.

tell me who u think the greatest mind of all time is then

 

[quan1]

and then i walk in

 

[subhuman1996]

He seems rlly boring to me.

 

[Aiwass]

He seems rlly boring to me.

maybe because he died over 500 years ago, and science has advanced exponentially

u also probably do not know enough about him, or dont admire art enough

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

Power of unemployement

 

[Aiwass]

Power of unemployement

he literally worked as a painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, inventor, and military engineer

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

he literally worked as a painter, sculptor, architect, musician, scientist, inventor, and military engineer

Me too

 

[greycel]

Only looked into this a bit, but the only weakness of Neumann is that he lacked (in a relative way, obv) the fluid reasoning of someone like Einstein, Newton, maybe even Aristotle in some ways. In most contexts, he destroys basically everyone else.

What other types of reasoning are there?
In what scenarios would fluid reasoning help as opposed to the others?
What makes you think he lacked it?

 

[Aiwass]

What other types of reasoning are there?
In what scenarios would fluid reasoning help as opposed to the others?
What makes you think he lacked it?

hes just trying to be different/sound smart

 

[Tenres]

tell me who u think the greatest mind of all time is then

I would probably second @greycel that it's Jon Von Neumann. Most impactful thinker by far and mogs JVN in fluid reasoning and maybe some other categories would be Aristotle. In and around his own Era, I'd put people like Poincare, Einstein, around him. Today you could argue Tao. People like Newton, Leibniz, and Euler, would also be up there.

 

[greycel]

hes just trying to be different/sound smart

Tenres is a smart guy
I’ve seen his takes before

 

[LKira]

The best Assassin's Creed side character

 

[KHHAVmanlet]

no, I am

 

[Tenres]

What other types of reasoning are there?
In what scenarios would fluid reasoning help as opposed to the others?
What makes you think he lacked it?

Other measurements would be like processing speed where he mogs, visuo-spatial reasoning, auditory processing (I forgot who but one of his closest associates said he learned best aurally). He also had top, top, top tier incubation or visuo-spatial reasoning considering he came to answers through sleeping on them (my reasoning here is either it's just the innate process of incubation being better, or he solves them in the visual dimension he dreams of).

Fluid reasoning is going to be good for coming up with novel solutions, like Einstein's theory of relativity which was considered deeper and more creative than anything JVN came up with.

“I have known a great many intelligent people in my life. I knew Max Planck, Max von Laue, and Wemer Heisenberg. Paul Dirac was my brother-in-Iaw; Leo Szilard and Edward Teller have been among my closest friends; and Albert Einstein was a good friend, too. And I have known many of the brightest younger scientists. But none of them had a mind as quick and acute as Jancsi von Neumann. I have often remarked this in the presence of those men, and no one ever disputed me. [...] But Einstein's understanding was deeper than even Jancsi von Neumann's. His mind was both more penetrating and more original than von Neumann's. And that is a very remarkable statement. Einstein took an extraordinary pleasure in invention. Two of his greatest inventions are the Special and General Theories of Relativity; and for all of Jancsi's brilliance, he never produced anything so original.”​

― Eugene Paul Wigner

So JVN would have an advantage in most situations as usually you wont have an extremely high amount of time to ponder about something, in which case, JVN would be able to take advantage of a situation before someone like Einstein.

Why I think he lacked it is because this was what people like Wigner thought, and it's evident in their achievements. And lacking it is a relative thing, he didn't lack high fluid reasoning obviously, he just lacked the novel-thinking compared to other "greatest minds candidates."

Edit: I'm basically just judging based off the CHC model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattell–Horn–Carroll_theory) and just basing that off my own reading of what they accomplished. Although there are some things like incubation, meta-cognition, disposition, and in some cases, creativity, that might not exactly be part of the model that would still be important for a "good mind."

 

[greycel]

Other measurements would be like processing speed where he mogs, visuo-spatial reasoning, auditory processing (I forgot who but one of his closest associates said he learned best aurally). He also had top, top, top tier incubation or visuo-spatial reasoning considering he came to answers through sleeping on them (my reasoning here is either it's just the innate process of incubation being better, or he solves them in the visual dimension he dreams of).

Fluid reasoning is going to be good for coming up with novel solutions, like Einstein's theory of relativity which was considered deeper and more creative than anything JVN came up with.

“I have known a great many intelligent people in my life. I knew Max Planck, Max von Laue, and Wemer Heisenberg. Paul Dirac was my brother-in-Iaw; Leo Szilard and Edward Teller have been among my closest friends; and Albert Einstein was a good friend, too. And I have known many of the brightest younger scientists. But none of them had a mind as quick and acute as Jancsi von Neumann. I have often remarked this in the presence of those men, and no one ever disputed me. [...] But Einstein's understanding was deeper than even Jancsi von Neumann's. His mind was both more penetrating and more original than von Neumann's. And that is a very remarkable statement. Einstein took an extraordinary pleasure in invention. Two of his greatest inventions are the Special and General Theories of Relativity; and for all of Jancsi's brilliance, he never produced anything so original.”​

― Eugene Paul Wigner

So JVN would have an advantage in most situations as usually you wont have an extremely high amount of time to ponder about something, in which case, JVN would be able to take advantage of a situation before someone like Einstein.

Why I think he lacked it is because this was what people like Wigner thought, and it's evident in their achievements. And lacking it is a relative thing, he didn't lack high fluid reasoning obviously, he just lacked the novel-thinking compared to other "greatest minds candidates."

Edit: I'm basically just judging based off the CHC model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattell–Horn–Carroll_theory) and just basing that off my own reading of what they accomplished. Although there are some things like incubation, meta-cognition, disposition, and in some cases, creativity, that might not exactly be part of the model that would still be important for a "good mind."

The thing is, it’s very hard to judge innate ability of people within the same tier
Environment plays a huge part and iirc Neumann had access to the best educators of his time
His parents set him up perfectly

But also the higher the achievements of the individuals you’re being compared with, the less disparity there is in environmental influence. Theres billions of people. Way more than enough for everybody at the top to have taken close to the most ideal route.. at which point, the gap for edging over competitors of that tier narrows
And if everybody back in the day said Neumann was in a league of his own, then I think he truly did have the best mind (in spite of access to top tier environment)

I’d put Ramanujan up there too. God given intuition

 

[Aiwass]

I would probably second @greycel that it's Jon Von Neumann. Most impactful thinker by far and mogs JVN in fluid reasoning and maybe some other categories would be Aristotle. In and around his own Era, I'd put people like Poincare, Einstein, around him. Today you could argue Tao. People like Newton, Leibniz, and Euler, would also be up there.

completely moronic to think einstein is above da vinci

 

[Tenres]

The thing is, it’s very hard to judge innate ability of people within the same tier
Environment plays a huge part and iirc Neumann had access to the best educators of his time
His parents set him up perfectly

But also the higher the achievements of the individuals you’re being compared with, the less disparity there is in environmental influence. Theres billions of people. Way more than enough for everybody at the top to have taken close to the most ideal route.. at which point, the gap for edging over competitors of that tier narrows
And if everybody back in the day said Neumann was in a league of his own, then I think he truly did have the best mind (in spite of access to top tier environment)

I’d put Ramanujan up there too. God given intuition

That is true, innate genius nurtured is when you get someone like Neumann, of comically ridiculous intelligence. When I say he was lacking in fr, its only because he was unparalleled in everything else. So even being "slightly imperfect" in one category becomes relevant.

I actually completely forgot about him, he also dreamt up his solutions IIRC. Never read about him though.

 

[Tenres]

completely moronic to think einstein is above da vinci

What makes him so impressive?

 

[Aiwass]

What makes him so impressive?

he is the most intellectually versatile individual in history by far

 

[greycel]

he is the most intellectually versatile individual in history by far

He lived in an earlier period where he could afford breadth and still make contributions at sufficient depth (way shallower)
Nowadays, with the advancement that has been made after scientific revolution, you could dedicate your entire life and you won’t be able to break past a hyper-niche in one domain

If you could standardise the comparison of achievements across all the periods, factoring how much knowledge was needed for a “breakthrough” at the time.. Neumann doing what he did in mid 20th century is mind blowing

He was literally so ridiculously, overwhelmingly intelligent. The digital computer everyone uses today.. he invented the CPU-memory/RAM-input/output archiecture in every computer today. Every programmer who starts learning how caches, memory, pointers, arrays, and anything related to that can thank Von Neumann for creating this architecture. Before him, it was a bunch of morons using tape and plugboards to do computing. He also wrote the first merge-sort algorithm (the thing that we all fuss over hours for in leetcode.. he came up with it after inventing the digital computer.). He made the first advancements in linear programming, which ended up being the foundation of his mathematical models for economists to use.
On a whim he learned how to model explosions in real time mathematically and developed the lens needed for the atomic bombs in the Manhattan project. He was instrumental in making sure the atom bomb worked.

His mathematical models of univeral constructors and cellular automata preceded the DNA helix / self replicating structure you know today. He didn't know shit about biology but figured out the math behind the self-replicating biology. Invented an entire domain - game theory.

He also laid out the original matehmatical framework for quantum mechanics and quantum logic.

 

[Panchitosbroncs]

Why is this nigga banned lol

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

Why is this nigga banned lol

master is a michelangelo fan

 

[Tenres]

He lived in an earlier period where he could afford breadth and still make contributions at sufficient depth (way shallower)
Nowadays, with the advancement that has been made after scientific revolution, you could dedicate your entire life and you won’t be able to break past a hyper-niche in one domain

If you could standardise the comparison of achievements across all the periods, factoring how much knowledge was needed for a “breakthrough” at the time.. Neumann doing what he did in mid 20th century is mind blowing

Yeah. Not to disregard him entirely, but I think that's actually the least impressive of the three categories imo, those being:

Great Systematizers / Architectural thinkers: Creating systems and divisions, formalizing categories, etc. In this case you're starting with amazing untapped potential, but you also have to create the system itself and then develop the technique, the questions, etc. For someone like Aristotle, this means literally creating multiple paradigms of thought and developing the epistemology on your own and practically from scratch. Usually these people would be the first developers of their systems. No constellation.

Early Developers: Taking an already built system and building on it. Requires less knowledge, and also less creative intelligence. Still requires very high general intelligence. Constellation is made but underdeveloped, much more to add but also less to connect. There's a sweet spot where you can add and connect a lot with lower difficulty.

Later Developers: In the age of specialization, you need extremely high knowledge and great long-term storage and retrieval to make the right associations between complex systems. Solutions require high creativity in simplifying and abstracting problems. Much bigger constellation of knowledge, but also less available discoveries and solutions, problems become unimaginably complex.

Its my current intuition that the third category requires the most "cracked" minds, but the first is also up there, the second is probably the "easiest" in relative terms.