Long ramus = short face syndrome and short mandible?

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I've seen some examples of long ramus resulting in a lot of posterior depth in the face but the anterior part of the face is very short as a result - like a flat occlusal plane and the mandible itself is very short almost as if the ramus length is "taking away" from the mandible length
 
๐–€๐–“๐–—๐–Š๐–‘๐–†๐–™๐–Š๐–‰ ๐–Ž๐–’๐–”, ๐•ด ๐–๐–†๐–›๐–Š ๐–† ๐–˜๐–๐–”๐–—๐–™ ๐–—๐–†๐–’๐–š๐–˜ ๐–†๐–˜ ๐–œ๐–Š๐–‘๐–‘ ๐–†๐–˜ ๐–‹๐–‘๐–†๐–™ ๐–”๐–ˆ๐–ˆ๐–‘๐–š๐–˜๐–†๐–‘ ๐–•๐–‘๐–†๐–“๐–Š + ๐–˜๐–๐–”๐–—๐–™ ๐–๐–†๐–œ + "๐–˜๐–‹๐–˜" ๐–†๐–“๐–‰ ๐–˜๐–Š๐–Š ๐–’๐–†๐–“๐–ž ๐–”๐–™๐–๐–Š๐–—๐–˜ ๐–œ๐–๐–” ๐–๐–†๐–›๐–Š ๐–™๐–๐–Š ๐–˜๐–†๐–’๐–Š
 
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joseph said:
I've seen some examples of long ramus resulting in a lot of posterior depth in the face but the anterior part of the face is very short as a result - like a flat occlusal plane and the mandible itself is very short almost as if the ramus length is "taking away" from the mandible length
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i had someone asking me about a ramus lengthening surgery, do such surgeries even exist?
 
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high_ltn said:
i had someone asking me about a ramus lengthening surgery, do such surgeries even exist?
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๐•ต๐–†๐–œ ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–Ž๐–’๐–•๐–‘๐–†๐–“๐–™๐–˜ ๐–ˆ๐–†๐–“ "๐–‘๐–Š๐–“๐–Œ๐–™๐–๐–Š๐–“" ๐–™๐–๐–Š ๐–—๐–†๐–’๐–š๐–˜
 
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iblamemandible7 said:
๐•ต๐–†๐–œ ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–Ž๐–’๐–•๐–‘๐–†๐–“๐–™๐–˜ ๐–ˆ๐–†๐–“ "๐–‘๐–Š๐–“๐–Œ๐–™๐–๐–Š๐–“" ๐–™๐–๐–Š ๐–—๐–†๐–’๐–š๐–˜
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yeah but what if your gonial angle is fine? forgive me if i interpreted the idea in the wrong way
 
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high_ltn said:
yeah but what if your gonial angle is fine? forgive me if i interpreted the idea in the wrong way
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๐–„๐–Š๐–˜, ๐–‘๐–Š๐–“๐–Œ๐–™๐–๐–Š๐–“๐–Ž๐–“๐–Œ ๐–ž๐–”๐–š๐–— ๐–—๐–†๐–’๐–š๐–˜ ๐–œ๐–”๐–š๐–‘๐–‰ ๐–’๐–†๐–๐–Š ๐–ž๐–”๐–š๐–— ๐–Œ๐–”๐–“๐–Ž๐–†๐–‘ ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–’๐–”๐–—๐–Š ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–š๐–™๐–Š ๐–“๐–” ๐–’๐–†๐–™๐–™๐–Š๐–— ๐–๐–”๐–œ ๐–ž๐–”๐–š ๐–‰๐–” ๐–Ž๐–™. ๐–„๐–”๐–š ๐–ˆ๐–”๐–š๐–‘๐–‰ ๐–‰๐–” ๐–† ๐–‡๐–Ž๐–’๐–†๐– ๐–”๐–— ๐–œ๐–—๐–†๐–•๐–†๐–—๐–”๐–š๐–“๐–‰ ๐–Ž๐–‹ ๐–Ž๐–™ ๐–’๐–†๐–๐–Š๐–˜ ๐–™๐–๐–Š ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–™๐–”๐–” ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–š๐–™๐–Š
 
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iblamemandible7 said:
๐–„๐–Š๐–˜, ๐–‘๐–Š๐–“๐–Œ๐–™๐–๐–Š๐–“๐–Ž๐–“๐–Œ ๐–ž๐–”๐–š๐–— ๐–—๐–†๐–’๐–š๐–˜ ๐–œ๐–”๐–š๐–‘๐–‰ ๐–’๐–†๐–๐–Š ๐–ž๐–”๐–š๐–— ๐–Œ๐–”๐–“๐–Ž๐–†๐–‘ ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–’๐–”๐–—๐–Š ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–š๐–™๐–Š ๐–“๐–” ๐–’๐–†๐–™๐–™๐–Š๐–— ๐–๐–”๐–œ ๐–ž๐–”๐–š ๐–‰๐–” ๐–Ž๐–™. ๐–„๐–”๐–š ๐–ˆ๐–”๐–š๐–‘๐–‰ ๐–‰๐–” ๐–† ๐–‡๐–Ž๐–’๐–†๐– ๐–”๐–— ๐–œ๐–—๐–†๐–•๐–†๐–—๐–”๐–š๐–“๐–‰ ๐–Ž๐–‹ ๐–Ž๐–™ ๐–’๐–†๐–๐–Š๐–˜ ๐–™๐–๐–Š ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–™๐–”๐–” ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–š๐–™๐–Š
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i see, by the way i have a few questions regarding surgeries, would you mind if i start a chat with you?
 
iblamemandible7 said:
๐–„๐–Š๐–˜, ๐–‘๐–Š๐–“๐–Œ๐–™๐–๐–Š๐–“๐–Ž๐–“๐–Œ ๐–ž๐–”๐–š๐–— ๐–—๐–†๐–’๐–š๐–˜ ๐–œ๐–”๐–š๐–‘๐–‰ ๐–’๐–†๐–๐–Š ๐–ž๐–”๐–š๐–— ๐–Œ๐–”๐–“๐–Ž๐–†๐–‘ ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–’๐–”๐–—๐–Š ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–š๐–™๐–Š ๐–“๐–” ๐–’๐–†๐–™๐–™๐–Š๐–— ๐–๐–”๐–œ ๐–ž๐–”๐–š ๐–‰๐–” ๐–Ž๐–™. ๐–„๐–”๐–š ๐–ˆ๐–”๐–š๐–‘๐–‰ ๐–‰๐–” ๐–† ๐–‡๐–Ž๐–’๐–†๐– ๐–”๐–— ๐–œ๐–—๐–†๐–•๐–†๐–—๐–”๐–š๐–“๐–‰ ๐–Ž๐–‹ ๐–Ž๐–™ ๐–’๐–†๐–๐–Š๐–˜ ๐–™๐–๐–Š ๐–†๐–“๐–Œ๐–‘๐–Š ๐–™๐–”๐–” ๐–†๐–ˆ๐–š๐–™๐–Š
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I have a flat occlusal plane
 
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