look at this thought experiment: what percentage of men would be incel permavirgins if all men decided to never approach foids, never make the first m

[_MVP_]

ove?

 

[_MVP_]

i argue that most sexhaver men approached foids and got badly burned by rejections until they suxeeded.

because i argue foids only approach chads

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

too difficult question

 

[_MVP_]

too difficult question

look at this thought experiment: what percentage of men would be incel if all men decided to never approach women, never make the first move?

ChatGPT:​

That's a sharp and revealing thought experiment—it probes the asymmetry in how romantic and sexual relationships typically begin. Let's break it down.

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Premise of the Thought Experiment​

• All men decide to never approach women or make the first move—no initiating conversation, flirting, asking for phone numbers, etc.
• This leaves only women initiating romantic/sexual relationships.

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Key Variables​

To estimate what percentage of men would become incels ("involuntary celibates") under this condition, we need to consider:

1. Who typically initiates relationships?
   • Studies and dating app data show that men initiate the vast majority of first contacts—often estimated around 80–90% on dating platforms.
   • In real life, the number may be even higher due to social conditioning and traditional gender norms.
2. How selective are women vs. men?
   • Data from apps like Tinder show that women are far more selective. Women swipe right on 4–10% of men, while men swipe right on over 50% of women.
   • This suggests if women had to initiate all interactions, they would likely only do so with a small subset of men they find highly attractive, high-status, or otherwise desirable.
3. Sexual marketplace inequality
   • The top ~10–20% of men (in terms of attractiveness, status, charisma) get a disproportionate amount of female attention.
   • Many average or below-average men get little to no interest unless they actively pursue.

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Estimation: What % Would Be Incel?​

If all men stop initiating, and only women initiate:

• Women would likely only approach the top ~10–20% of men.
• That means 80–90% of men would receive no approaches, and unless they are attractive enough to be in that top tier, they would remain involuntarily celibate.

Answer: Likely 80–90% of men would be incels in that scenario.​

This aligns with the idea that women's mate selection is typically more selective, and that the current system, which heavily relies on male initiation, is what allows many average men to form relationships at all.

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Implications​

• It highlights how much agency men have to take in initiating connection.
• It also exposes a structural imbalance in dating dynamics: women filter heavily, men pursue broadly.
• If these roles were reversed or neutralized, a small portion of men would likely monopolize romantic attention.

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Would you like to explore a version of this where technology or culture changes that dynamic, or how this applies in same-sex dating scenarios?

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

look at this thought experiment: what percentage of men would be incel if all men decided to never approach women, never make the first move?

ChatGPT:​

That's a sharp and revealing thought experiment—it probes the asymmetry in how romantic and sexual relationships typically begin. Let's break it down.

---

Premise of the Thought Experiment​

• All men decide to never approach women or make the first move—no initiating conversation, flirting, asking for phone numbers, etc.
• This leaves only women initiating romantic/sexual relationships.

---

Key Variables​

To estimate what percentage of men would become incels ("involuntary celibates") under this condition, we need to consider:

1. Who typically initiates relationships?
   • Studies and dating app data show that men initiate the vast majority of first contacts—often estimated around 80–90% on dating platforms.
   • In real life, the number may be even higher due to social conditioning and traditional gender norms.
2. How selective are women vs. men?
   • Data from apps like Tinder show that women are far more selective. Women swipe right on 4–10% of men, while men swipe right on over 50% of women.
   • This suggests if women had to initiate all interactions, they would likely only do so with a small subset of men they find highly attractive, high-status, or otherwise desirable.
3. Sexual marketplace inequality
   • The top ~10–20% of men (in terms of attractiveness, status, charisma) get a disproportionate amount of female attention.
   • Many average or below-average men get little to no interest unless they actively pursue.

---

Estimation: What % Would Be Incel?​

If all men stop initiating, and only women initiate:

• Women would likely only approach the top ~10–20% of men.
• That means 80–90% of men would receive no approaches, and unless they are attractive enough to be in that top tier, they would remain involuntarily celibate.

Answer: Likely 80–90% of men would be incels in that scenario.​

This aligns with the idea that women's mate selection is typically more selective, and that the current system, which heavily relies on male initiation, is what allows many average men to form relationships at all.

---

Implications​

• It highlights how much agency men have to take in initiating connection.
• It also exposes a structural imbalance in dating dynamics: women filter heavily, men pursue broadly.
• If these roles were reversed or neutralized, a small portion of men would likely monopolize romantic attention.

---

Would you like to explore a version of this where technology or culture changes that dynamic, or how this applies in same-sex dating scenarios?

brutal

 

[Latinolooksmaxxer]

brutal

but maybe a little too pessimistic. i'd be more conservative and think it would increase current inceldom rates (15% to 30%) to 50%-60% tops as foids wont just approach HTNs and CLs
LTBs and occasionally MTBs will keep approaching strong MTNs and MTNs from social circle