Looks aren't solely interconnected with dating and incels need plastic surgery the most, so gatekeeping plastic surgery for truecels makes no sense.

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People relate looks and dating so heavily, that whenever an ugly person wants to improve their looks, they're plastered with dating advice.

"Ugly men still get girls." "You're just making excuses." "Don't get plastic surgery." "You can still get an ugly girl, don't bother yourself with looksmaxxing."

First off, it's been proven that ugly men often get cheated on or settled for in the relationship.

And secondly, I don't even want to look better for women. There's many cons to being a sub5 vs just a normie. No one respects you, harder to make friends, the halo effect, harder to get a job, ostricized from society, there's many cons of being ugly that go just beyond lack of dating opportunities.

I don't want to be a sub5 for a variety of reasons, not just dating. With my genetic base, I won't ascend. I'm 5'6 and a 1.5 - 2.5/10 facially. If I get multiple plastic surgeries and get to 4 - 5/10 facially, I would consider that heavily worth it. I would pay 100,000 dollars to be a 4/10, high LTN or low MTN, I would pay thousands to get to just that, because if you're just average, or slightly below average, you're not seen as a subhuman and it's not ropefuel to look in the mirror.

The purpose of cosmetic plastic surgery, is to improve your appearance. Think of it as any medical service. How does it work? In the emergency room, the person with an amputated arm and gunshot wounds is attended to before the person with the common cold. "But it might not work." He's probably not savable, the gun shot wounds would kill him because he's severely injured. They'd try anyways to attend to his wounds.

If you're average to above average facially, getting plastic surgery is like going to the Emergency Room for the common cold, it would ascend you even further, but you're still seen as a human in society. It's someone done that's wanted, and not needed.

Whereas cosmetic surgery is best for the physically deformed or those who are extremely unattractive, because that was likely supposed to be the original purpose.

If you have extremely unappealing facial deformities, plastic surgery is done for that. If you have an extremely ugly face, plastic surgery is for that. It's not even done in vain at that point.

So trying to gatekeep plastic surgery to normies and up just how they try to gatekeep everything for normal to attractive people because "you're too ugly for plastic surgery" doesn't make sense. Plastic surgery is for the "too ugly." Normal looking people don't need plastic surgery, ugly people or people with facial deformities need plastic surgery.

It's likely over in the west, I might geomax, but I'm still deadset on hardmaxxing beforehand, because there's too much downsides/disadvantages to being an ugly person. If there's an opportunity to go from subhuman to LTN, it would be dumb in my opinion to not take that opportunity, even if it will take years of time and money, because looks play a part in your entire human experience. There is a social hierarchy based on looks. If I can climb even 1 step higher in the hierarchy, it's worth it.
 
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im a high ltn and will do my best to ascend to mid htn
 
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Are you syndromic or something? 1.5-2.5/10 is abnormally ugly tier
 
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Are you syndromic or something? 1.5-2.5/10 is abnormally ugly tier
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he isnt even that ugly tbh, ts just his bad features.

Nose, eyes, too big lips,

all easily fixable
 
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In my experience when someone self-rates themself that low they're normally just average looking
 
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Yep, post above proves my point exactly jfl
 
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Yes, that's me
Don’t listen to that cuck, if you want cosmetic surgery get it. Most of the advice the dude gives is bullshit and he knows it.He wants you to fail so you come back and buy his shitty courses, and on top of that him and the other Austin faggot are both narcissists faggots who don’t even pull because they’re short.
 
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Don’t listen to that cuck, if you want cosmetic surgery get it. Most of the advice the dude gives is bullshit and he knows it.He wants you to fail so you come back and buy his shitty courses, and on top of that him and the other Austin faggot are both narcissists faggots who don’t even pull because they’re short.
I wasn't going to listen. I'm still going to get cosmetic surgery.
 
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I refuse to believe youre 1.5/10. I never see men below 3/10
 
I don't think improving your appearance will make people respect you more. If people know you've had plastic surgery, which they will, you will lose respect
 
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I don't think improving your appearance will make people respect you more. If people know you've had plastic surgery, which they will, you will lose respect

But I'll lose respect if I backtrack on surgery, meaning if I try to hide the video and just try to move on from life not getting plastic surgery.

The only way to semi redeem myself is if I get the plastic surgery, look better, then prove I'm right in that surgery was the best decision through looking better after the surgeries. If I get just an otoplasty and rhinoplasty, I will undeniably look better proving surgery was a good idea
 
Psurgery can't save truecels, they need their entire skull replaced.

Surgery is for people that have one or two fixable flaws and the rest is good.
 
Psurgery can't save truecels, they need their entire skull replaced.

Surgery is for people that have one or two fixable flaws and the rest is good.
That's true. There are few who surgery can't fix, but I would say it's worth a shot for truecels before throwing in the towel.
 
But I'll lose respect if I backtrack on surgery, meaning if I try to hide the video and just try to move on from life not getting plastic surgery.

The only way to semi redeem myself is if I get the plastic surgery, look better, then prove I'm right in that surgery was the best decision through looking better after the surgeries. If I get just an otoplasty and rhinoplasty, I will undeniably look better proving surgery was a good idea
There is no point, looks dont correlate strongly enough with anything to make surgery worth it. There are many ugly subhumans who get good jobs etc, reminder 50% of adults are obese and old people are very deformed and ugly
 
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Water is wet but the problem is that NO SURGERY will make average guy look like this (so essentially this means surgery is pointless):
 

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@SecularIslamist found a fellow truecel brother, right on my friend, get that surgery, wear lifts, go to strong LTN or weak MTN, use the bbchalo or geomaxx to manlet countries and live a good life.
 
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@SecularIslamist found a fellow truecel brother, right on my friend, get that surgery, wear lifts, go to strong LTN or weak MTN, use the bbchalo or geomaxx to manlet countries and live a good life.
The reality is even (assuming you're actually a trucel) at least you admit you can ascend. You can get a better looking wife than I ever could if you follow through with this.
 
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The reality is even (assuming you're actually a trucel) at least you admit you can ascend. You can get a better looking wife than I ever could if you follow through with this.
Rhino + otoplasty + teeth implants + softmaxxing and maybe strong LTN heh
This bbccel is 5'6, but better frontal view than me JFL so if he's 1.5-2.5 then I'm around the same rating
 
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Water is wet but the problem is that NO SURGERY will make average guy look like this (so essentially this means surgery is pointless):
Nothing screams 'gay' more than having a bunch of attractive men saved on your phone:forcedsmile:
 
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Rhino + otoplasty + teeth implants + softmaxxing and maybe strong LTN heh
This bbccel is 5'6, but better frontal view than me JFL so if he's 1.5-2.5 then I'm around the same rating
Strong LTN with a job + passportmaxxing in Pakistan you will get MTB guaranteed. Probably same type of girl Salludon got.
 
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But i don't want a foid from PK...
Be REALISTIC do you see another way? I've told you before these are your options:
  1. Get a job and find someone from work (pot luck and pool of available women as you're getting older is smaller).
  2. Go on OLD and get a foid. As you're aware this is impossible mode.
  3. Go Pakistan and arrange marriage maxxx.
Tbh it's the same for me. But as you know I've ruled out no.3 and too locationpilled for no.1. So no.2 it is...
 
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Nothing screams 'gay' more than having a bunch of attractive men saved on your phone:forcedsmile:
>Having attractive men on your phone is gay because.... Uhhhh... Well... it's just gay, ok?
What?
 
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Good luck on your journey
 
I'm 5'6 and a 1.5 - 2.5/10 facially
I'm sorry bro just skimmed through the thread and the moment I read this I stopped reading
 
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Water is wet but the problem is that NO SURGERY will make average guy look like this (so essentially this means surgery is pointless):
He’s black dude 💀💀
 
It doesn't matter. Even if you are an average white guy NO SURGERY can turn you into chad
so what? are you saying if he improves to mtn for example his quality of life would be the same?
 
so what? are you saying if he improves to mtn for example his quality of life would be the same?
Dont listen to this guy, he always claims you got to be top percentile giga bine mogger and white to have pussy. On threads tbat talk about hair color he says useless shit like ‘but ur hair wont fix ur bones!!!’
 
Rhino + otoplasty + teeth implants + softmaxxing and maybe strong LTN heh
This bbccel is 5'6, but better frontal view than me JFL so if he's 1.5-2.5 then I'm around the same rating
Cope. He isn't a truecel. He is just an average black guy with BBC halo. Also, if you are looksmatched with OP, you are probably not a truecel, which I suspected anyway.

He is just soy af and prolly acts feminine IRL, which destroys his SMV.

If he wore lifts and BBCmaxxed, he'd slay.
 
Cope. He isn't a truecel. He is just an average black guy with BBC halo. Also, if you are looksmatched with OP, you are probably not a truecel, which I suspected anyway.

He is just soy af and prolly acts feminine IRL, which destroys his SMV.

If he wore lifts and BBCmaxxed, he'd slay.
He is subhuman, what are you saying? he's 5'6 and looks like that, clearly not average. He's around 1.5-2.5 PSL and i'm around the same i think. Getting old you trying to gaslight me again and again, just stop.
 
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He is subhuman, what are you saying? he's 5'6 and looks like that, clearly not average. He's around 1.5-2.5 PSL and i'm around the same i think. Getting old you trying to gaslight me again and again, just stop.
Idk. You are just biased because you hate big noses and big ears because you think they failo you. But these features are common for his pheno.

His face isn’t the problem. In fact, it adds to his BBC halo. The fact that he is short, non-nt and acts soy irl is a much bigger problem.

Blacks need to be tall, ripped and thugmaxxed with BBC to have decent SMV.
 
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