Looks theory denier mega/general thread

[Crusile]

tbh I've run dry on arguments against looks theory it is what it is. Also, no one "responds" to my argument baits ever , even when I make up random bs, so I can never test my knowledge

Goal: review the content and arguments of Faceandlms (intellectual looks theory titan). I haven't watched his video in years but I recall them to be easily debunkable

@Reconstitution

 

[Interested]

Why bother "debunking" looks theory? You gain nothing from this and no one is gonna believe anything you say, due to BDD

 

[Crusile]

https://looksmax.org/threads/here-are-the-factors-are-that-make-up-beauty.684201/post-11565967 I literally made this up lmfao, he could've easily owned me

 

[Pixie Dust]

It gets easily debunked when you go outside

 

[Deleted member 21863]

Faceandlms (intellectual looks theory titan)

 

[Crusile]

 

[thenewhebbe]

Then debunk a point

 

[HerpDerpson]

It gets easily debunked when you go outside

In what way? Just because a woman is "together" with a guy, doesn't mean she's attracted to him.

 

[Pixie Dust]

In what way? Just because a woman is "together" with a guy, doesn't mean she's attracted to him.

Retard. Yes it does
Why would a woman go with a full blown violent ass cisgender man if not for attraction?

 

[Crusile]

Then debunk a point

child, look theorists have yet to define what looks theory is

There are no "points"

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Working here is working at the ground level, so, if there are 100 minds, and you convert 10, that is a win. Think about it, you are arguing with people but do you ever note the views a thread gets? Those could be minds that have changed.

But overall, working at the ground level can be incredibly fulfilling or incredibly daunting, I say this as someone that is politically active, but you must understand where you are. You are at the ground level, aka, the place where structures above it are dripping down to impact it. If you want to exact significant change, you need to go to the source.

What you are doing now, which is fine because I also do it, is going to the homeless and trying to get them shelter and food, but if you don't want to see anymore homeless, you need to go to the governor (state assembly/senate), or Washington DC.

See what I'm getting at?

 

[Deleted member 20631]

Don’t even argue with these retards, any ugly person that has grown up getting bullied and called out for their looks but getting the complete opposite treatment as soon as they improve them knows first hand that the way you look matters.

Don’t waste your energy on coping idiots, you don’t have to be a male model at the very least you have to be attractive if you want fair treatment from others

 

[HerpDerpson]

Retard. Yes it does
Why would a woman go with a full blown violent ass cisgender man if not for attraction?

Poor little greycel.

 

[gaymidget]

It was always looks, status and game. Red pill people overstate the effect of game and people here overstate the effect of looks. People are just too dumb to understand non linear things. For example, height is more important than status when you are 5'5 because this excludes you pretty much from dating but after 5'10 status and game take over while height is still important. The same way people here use exmaples like indian janitors or 10/10 one in a million models to prove lookspill. Yeah looks are very important but status and game are equally important.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Also, something important, but it will be overlooked by most, even those attuned to philosophy. Argument can only be had when both people arguing adhere to reason, they adhere to logic, if only one party adheres to it, the logical party is wasting their time... BUT, what you should be doing is taking note of your environment, you might not be able to change the mind of your interlocutor, but if you can change the mind of a spectator, you have won.

That is the point of rhetoric, rhetoric does not seek to provide the truth, rhetoric seeks to WIN. Searching truth is a fruitless endeavor if you wish to see it change the minds of those that are closed to it.

That's what a lot of people fail to understand when they enter discussion with those arguing in bad faith, the bad faith guy is usually winning because they are rhetorically gifted, that's why the structure hated Socrates, he was the king of rhetoric, the king of "poisoning minds".

 

[Deleted member 29796]

So with that above, not so honest, but it's necessary. Logically, I'm in contradiction when I support it but what should I do, allow the world to consume itself until I'm the last one left to witness all the suffering? I have to shrug the "truth" sometimes.

 

[Crusile]

Don’t even argue with these retards, any ugly person that has grown up getting bullied and called out for their looks but getting the complete opposite treatment as soon as they improve them knows first hand that the way you look matters.

Don’t waste your energy on coping idiots, you don’t have to be a male model at the very least you have to be attractive if you want fair treatment from others

Im the looks theory denier. The halo effect is true, beauty is intersubjective, but looks dont define you as a person (refer to my sig). Do not fall victim to looks theory. You can even improve your looks while still not believing in looks theory, women are notorious for this when they say "I wear make up for myself, not other people". this is a direct/real rejection of looks theory

It was always looks, status and game. Red pill people overstate the effect of game and people here overstate the effect of looks. People are just too dumb to understand non linear things. For example, height is more important than status when you are 5'5 because this excludes you pretty much from dating but after 5'10 status and game take over while height is still important. The same way people here use exmaples like indian janitors or 10/10 one in a million models to prove lookspill. Yeah looks are very important but status and game are equally important.

In the end well being is all that matters, really. but yea its funny how they mechanically change their physical in order to improve their mental, only to worsen their mental. Looksmaxxing (part of lookstheory) can only works if you assume genuine belief in looks theory.

Working here is working at the ground level, so, if there are 100 minds, and you convert 10, that is a win. Think about it, you are arguing with people but do you ever note the views a thread gets? Those could be minds that have changed.

But overall, working at the ground level can be incredibly fulfilling or incredibly daunting, I say this as someone that is politically active, but you must understand where you are. You are at the ground level, aka, the place where structures above it are dripping down to impact it. If you want to exact significant change, you need to go to the source.

What you are doing now, which is fine because I also do it, is going to the homeless and trying to get them shelter and food, but if you don't want to see anymore homeless, you need to go to the governor (state assembly/senate), or Washington DC.

See what I'm getting at?

wdym by the source? The looks theory content creators exploiting looks theory (mentall illness), for profit? Or deeper, the general social mistreatment of "ugly people" and socially isolated people?

 

[Deleted member 29796]

wdym by the source? The looks theory content creators exploiting looks theory (mentall illness), for profit? Or deeper, the general social mistreatment of "ugly people" and socially isolated people?

Deeper, yes, even the content creators are products of their environment, whether they are profit motivated or scorned. The way I see it, take two groups of a sustainable population, feed one violence, and they are more likely to be violent, feed the other peace, and they are more likely to be peaceful.

This ties back into my comment about being in contradiction, I think the persistent suffering of humanity, and all other sentient beings, calls for lying (rhetoric) in order to steer them in a direction that reduces suffering. What you are at odds with, those that influence, those that control the points of influence (media, education, etc.), are not acting in good faith, as a result, they are winning because they control the rhetorical narrative.


And by those in control, I don't mean some elite cabal or some shit, but really the issue is with ego, imo. I think ego is root cause of most issues pertaining to humanity. So even those that exploit for profit, they do so without realizing why they do it.
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The ego won't be killed for a while, if ever, I can't even kill my own ego and I'm aware it needs to go. So, we have to target structures that influence the ego. Say what you will, capitalism is a fine system, if we employ robots/machines, humans are not robots, it needs to go. And I say this as a SocDem, so someone that supports capitalism with a strong safety net, I'm beginning to see my socialist friends are right, but I have always been a philosophical socialist, I just think a safety net should be prioritized before something as big as tackling the economic system, especially when we don't have something to replace it with, seemingly.



Beautiful irony in this song randomly playing as I began typing this.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Keeping that short, I can expound if needed, but you are charitable, smart, and reasonable, so you likely see the gist of what I'm getting at.
I just see that structure as something that needs to be tackled before we can begin to adequately tend to issues like looks theory. So many industries profit off of our insecurities, they don't consider the moral cost, it's not something you factor into profit, unless it will negatively impact it, such as being sexist, or racist impacting profit, but not because sexism or racism is morally bad.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Honestly, my ego proably won't go until I admit that my attempt at hapinnes needs to go, I don't think I can balance bringing myself hapiness and providing it for others.

I think, without making that sacrifice, I will never be working optimally. But that is where the ego comes from, if I'm given one life, why can't I have some pleasures before I go? Why must I sacrifice when others clearly won't, or clearly wouldn't?

Seems those that suffer the most are just tools in end, but if the roles were reversed, would others do the same for us? Likely not. So why can't I focus on myself? This is why the idea of a lobotomy has always appealed to me, this life, these experiences, and this brain is like torture.


I almost wish there was a creator, just to make some sense of it all. But there is no sense to it, and that's what hurts the most.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

It's the selfishness that drives me fucking crazy though, it's everywhere, turn a corner and you can spot it anywhere. Even in places where people do "good", you can still see it in them, if you know where to look.

What if selfishness is innate? How else can a species persist? I suppose, it is intelligence that will allow you to trump it, but doesn't that mean most humans are innately selfish?

If this is all innate, am I not wasting my time?

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You know, it's pretty wild to think of someone conceptualizing the first human sin.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

See, this is why I love drugs. Brain = shutdown = happy/bliss. Never been sad on drugs.

And I used to be one of those straight edged folks... I liked Randi's quote on drug usage:

“I want to be, if I can, as sure of the world--the real world--around me as is possible. Now, you can only attain that to a certain degree, but I want the greatest degree of control. I've never involved myself in narcotics of any kind, I don't smoke, and I don't drink because that can easily just fuzz the edges of my rationality--fuzz the edges of my reasoning powers--and I want to be as aware as I possibly can. That means giving up a lot of fantasies that might be comforting in some ways, but I'm willing to give that up in order to live in an actually real world, or as close as I can get to it.”​

― James Randi

I was torturing myself. I obviously need serious help though, but can't AFFORD it. Nice.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

@Crusile

If you were given a button to end all life (basically anything capable of suffering) forever, would you press it?

 

[Crusile]

@Crusile

If you were given a button to end all life (basically anything capable of suffering) forever, would you press it?

I don't belive suffering takes away from happiness so its w/e- neutral. Just not ideal

Especially not if most causes of suffering is needless and can be mechanically fixed

 

[Deleted member 29796]

I don't belive suffering takes away from happiness so its w/e- neutral. Just not ideal

Especially not if most causes of suffering is needless and can be mechanically fixed

Fair enough, I just can't stop picturing myself being given that scenario. My suffering is nothing compared to most in this world, so even thinking about that floors me. It would be better, imo, if we could end it for everyone. Instead of allowing a select few to live in peace, especially when that select few has little regard for improving the lives of most. And I'm apart of that select few, just not as advantaged as the best in our group, but worlds apart from the conditions of the average person, globally.

 

[Crusile]

Fair enough, I just can't stop picturing myself being given that scenario. My suffering is nothing compared to most in this world, so even thinking about that floors me. It would be better, imo, if we could end it for everyone. Instead of allowing a select few to live in peace, especially when that select few has little regard for improving the lives of most. And I'm apart of that select few, just not as advantaged as the best in our group, but worlds apart from the conditions of the average person, globally.

I mean, all sufferings feels the same, and the feeling is what matters. If you recognize feeling distressed despite being high in heichachy human measured status (looks, social, economic earnings potential), you need take to advantage of what society is offering you ASAP. Helping other people can come after that.

Don't lose yourself to carrying everpeoples emotional baggage

 

[Deleted member 29796]

I mean, all sufferings feels the same, and the feeling is what matters. If you recognize feeling distressed despite being high in heichachy human measured status (looks, social, economic earnings potential), you need take to advantage of what society is offering you ASAP. Helping other people can come after that.

Don't lose yourself to carrying everpeoples emotional baggage

Well said.

 

[Crusile]

Ill say it again: No more funny business / misdirecting my attention to nonsense "trolls"/other forum antics. This time I will properly layout my groundwork. first I will organize my notes/ideas

1. "Meta-analysis estimates the correlation between physical attractiveness and sexual partner count, in males, to be .14"

Male Attractiveness and Sexual Partner Count - Date Psychology

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Okay this can be a bait reversal. After saying the "looks arent objective and cant be measured" line, if they respond with something like "actually looks are intersubjective, pretty objective actually, whatever." I can then respond with this correlation/source

Their response will be their subjective selectively bias opinion lol, they will have no real response Epic-lly caught off guard

2. https://looksmax.org/threads/i-developed-tmj-due-to-mewing.747064/post-11743538

This reminded me of a post from the user "phuck this game earth".
He said something like, "unless you have allergies, 9 times out of 10, your tongue will sit at the roof of your palate naturally" Allergies cause physical health problem which can effect the brain-> the mind.

Confounding variable alert: Ive brought this up in the past,

"92% of people with malocclusion have sleep disordered breathing"

Spoiler

in progress

3. https://looksmax.org/threads/explai...se-than-not-having-looks.706113/post-11143726

4. https://looksmax.org/threads/tbf-th...sonality-it-forms-before-looks-matrer.702284/

5. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/1989-01355-001 is looksmatched couples theory real? - 0.50 correlation

 

[Crusile]

ok. I dont have time to finish my notes right now and I still have so much ground to cover, like at least 20 more points minimum. it is what it is, I should have started months ago

 

[Crusile]

"why dont you just write out your points, it sounds like you dont have looks theory figured out yet. Or any of this figured out. you dont have the answers, do you?". Well I dont, it loosely connects in my head. its really complicated and is headache inducing

 

[Crusile]

point 2: explain what its a confounding variable of, and the implication