Male 16, Getting Bimax, Genio, CCW rotation + Hgh, igf1

[ScienceCel]

im a 16 year old male. Current height: 5'11.3, Bideltoid: 19.1 inches. making this post almost as a log to share my entire plan and get help on what i can do to improve it/revise it. i am planning on posting my entire journey on here.

i have a slight structureal underbite not too drastic and got invisalign to try to fix it at around 14.5 years old. huge waste of time + money. Recently came to the realization I need to stop coping and get bimax to fix it. I visited a bimaxillaryfacial surgeon around 2 weeks ago; they approved for for MARPE, although I didn't have any breathing issues and my pallate isnt rly narrow but the surgeon was pretty open to it and conviced my dad to talk to him and approve it.
Goals:

• Maximize natural growth before sutures fuse
• Widen and advance midface
• Sharpen jawline + chin
• Set up ideal structure before adult surgeries

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⚒Phase 1: Development Phase (Age 16–17.5)​

1. MARPE + Facemask Protraction

• Purpose: Expand palate + pull maxilla forward
• Method: Bone-borne MARPE + Delaire facemask Will do both of these for approx 6 months (while running hgh + igf1)
• braces after this for 8-12 months to fix teeth allignment before bimax
• Supervised by ortho/surgeon
• Trying to get good midface base without surgery early

2. GH + IGF-1 Protocol

• GH: Start of with 3iu a day for first 2 weeks, 4 for the next 2, and 6iu for the next 8-12 months. I will start it as soon as i get my MARPE done.
• IGF-1 LR3: 30–60 mcg/day or 3x/week
• IGF-1 DES for local growth (zygos/mandible)
• Goal: Stimulate bone growth, widen zygos, increase ramus height, thicken mandible
• Timeline: 6–12 months depending on progress
  
  
  I'm unsure on how much dosing of IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES I should be taking would appreciate advice on that.

---

Phase 2: Surgical Enhancement

3. CCW Bimax + Posterior Impaction

• Advance maxilla (forward + up)
• Rotate mandible forward (counterclockwise)
• Improves jawline, bite, and midface projection
• Surgeon location TBD (likely Turkey or South korea)

4. Genioplasty

• Forward movement + slight vertical reduction
• Goal: Stronger chin, better lip-chin harmony
• Will depend on how mandible grows after Phase 1

Quick Timeline – MARPE + Facemask + Braces + Bimax​

• Month 0 – Start MARPE (palatal expander)
• Week 1–2 – Add Delaire Facemask (~12–16 hrs/day)
• Month 1–2 – Start Braces (light brackets or full set)
• Month 3–6 – Continue Facemask + full Decomp Braces
• Month 6–18 – Braces only, align teeth + undo compensation
• Age ~17.8–18+ – Bimax Surgery (CCW + Genio)
• Post-op (4–6 mo) – Final braces tweaks, then retainers

Hormone Dosing Timeline (GH + IGF-1)​

(Syncs with skeletal growth + ortho timeline)

Time	Hormones	Dose & Timing	Purpose
Month 0 (Start MARPE)	Start HGH	0.4 IU/day → slowly increase to 1–1.2 IU before bed	Begin boosting IGF-1 for bone growth
Month 1–2 (Facemask on)	Add IGF-1 LR3	30–60 mcg/day, AM fasted	Support systemic midface, jaw, and zygomatic growth
Month 2–6	Add IGF-1 DES (targeted)	10–20 mcg/site, 3–5x/week post-facemask or post-gym, inject near zygos or mandible	Trigger local bone growth during facemask pulling
Month 6–9+	Continue GH + LR3 if still progressing	Monitor bloods; can cycle 2 weeks off every 3 months	Maintain gains + prime for better surgery outcome
~1 Month Before Surgery	Stop GH/IGF	Let body normalize before op	Avoid unpredictable soft tissue swelling pre-op

---

Daily Timing:​

• HGH – Night, ~1 hour before sleep (mimics natural GH spike)
• IGF-1 LR3 – Morning, fasted or post-facemask for synergy
• IGF-1 DES – Directly post-facemask or post-workout, localized near desired bone zones

How I am affording this. im getting pallate expander, face mask from turkey, I guilt-tripmaxxed my dad to support me with it. hes taking care of most of the cost however the growth hormone and flights are all paid by me.

will keep yall updated and add some progress pictures over time. would love some advice on what to tweak, hoping all goes well.

 

[ScienceCel]

ignore the last part where it says 0.4iu a day to 1.2iu. made that chart from chat gpt and its a retard telling me to dose that low

 

[Zeekie]

This is completely useless at your age.

It won't cause maxillary projection. There's a reason why orthodontists only use Facemasks for kids under the age of 9-12, beyond that point they simply don't work because some of your sutures have already closed.

DNR the rest

 

[ScienceCel]

so

This is completely useless at your age.
View attachment 3949556
It won't cause maxillary projection. There's a reason why orthodontists only use Facemasks for kids under the age of 9-12, beyond that point they simply don't work because some of your sutures have already closed.

DNR the rest

ik i sound like a retard but based of chat gpt, while dosing the hgh w face mask its 'theoretically' even more effective than MARPE, esp in forward projection

 

[Zeekie]

so


ik i sound like a retard but based of chat gpt, while dosing the hgh w face mask its 'theoretically' even more effective than MARPE, esp in forward projection

I'm sorry but no. It's like a palate expander, in truth a palate expander only works between the ages of 14 to 16 or under, beyond 16 the palatal sutures have already closed, meaning that they've become hard bone, so no amount of expanding will separate them anymore.

On which case an MSE device is used, you will never get a palate expander as an adult because it's simply useless.

Same case here with a protraction device, in this case the maxillary sutures closed even earlier, and after they've been closed no amount of will cause any forward growth. That's like trying to pull a rock and expecting it to become longer. Even with HGH, if the sutures have already been fused, you will not get any forward growth from this.

Don't trust me, trust the orthodontists who utilize this technique, they'll explicitly tell you that beyond 12 (or really 9 on average) this is just useless for you.

 

[danilioqqq]

I'm sorry but no. It's like a palate expander, in truth a palate expander only works between the ages of 14 to 16 or under, beyond 16 the palatal sutures have already closed, meaning that they've become hard bone, so no amount of expanding will separate them anymore.

On which case an MSE device is used, you will never get a palate expander as an adult because it's simply useless.

Same case here with a protraction device, in this case the maxillary sutures closed even earlier, and after they've been closed no amount of will cause any forward growth. That's like trying to pull a rock and expecting it to become longer. Even with HGH, if the sutures have already been fused, you will not get any forward growth from this.

Don't trust me, trust the orthodontists who utilize this technique, they'll explicitly tell you that beyond 12 (or really 9 on average) this is just useless for you.

fuck the orthos, many of them remove premolars to align teeth - many are retarted

facemask is unlikely to help I agree.

wdym you will never get a palate expander as an adult? MSE, MARPE are expanders (the E at the end stands for expander) and those work wonders

 

[ScienceCel]

fuck the orthos, many of them remove premolars to align teeth - many are retarted

facemask is unlikely to help I agree.

wdym you will never get a palate expander as an adult? MSE, MARPE are expanders (the E at the end stands for expander) and those work wonders

i fw my ortho. ive talked to him about my entire plan and told him my main focus is asthetics. he agreed to marpe the face mask was just something i was considering

 

[ScienceCel]

fuck the orthos, many of them remove premolars to align teeth - many are retarted

facemask is unlikely to help I agree.

wdym you will never get a palate expander as an adult? MSE, MARPE are expanders (the E at the end stands for expander) and those work wonders

i fw my ortho. ive talked to him about my entire plan and told him my main focus is asthetics. he agreed to marpe the face mask was just something i was considering

 

[Zeekie]

wdym you will never get a palate expander as an adult? MSE, MARPE are expanders (the E at the end stands for expander) and those work wonders

Okay maybe my language wasn't clear, they ARE palatal expander in the outcome they provide, but a traditional palate expander is only used in children while MSE/MARPE are used in adults to expand the maxilla, I was speaking of the devices not the outcome specifically. Anyways, it was meant to be an example of how once the sutures close certain stuff doesn't work anymore

 

[bp_1]

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im a 16 year old male. Current height: 5'11.3, Bideltoid: 19.1 inches. making this post almost as a log to share my entire plan and get help on what i can do to improve it/revise it. i am planning on posting my entire journey on here.

i have a slight structureal underbite not too drastic and got invisalign to try to fix it at around 14.5 years old. huge waste of time + money. Recently came to the realization I need to stop coping and get bimax to fix it. I visited a bimaxillaryfacial surgeon around 2 weeks ago; they approved for for MARPE, although I didn't have any breathing issues and my pallate isnt rly narrow but the surgeon was pretty open to it and conviced my dad to talk to him and approve it.
Goals:

• Maximize natural growth before sutures fuse
• Widen and advance midface
• Sharpen jawline + chin
• Set up ideal structure before adult surgeries

---

⚒Phase 1: Development Phase (Age 16–17.5)​

1. MARPE + Facemask Protraction View attachment 3949531

• Purpose: Expand palate + pull maxilla forward
• Method: Bone-borne MARPE + Delaire facemask Will do both of these for approx 6 months (while running hgh + igf1)
• braces after this for 8-12 months to fix teeth allignment before bimax
• Supervised by ortho/surgeon
• Trying to get good midface base without surgery early

2. GH + IGF-1 Protocol View attachment 3949533

• GH: Start of with 3iu a day for first 2 weeks, 4 for the next 2, and 6iu for the next 8-12 months. I will start it as soon as i get my MARPE done.
• IGF-1 LR3: 30–60 mcg/day or 3x/week
• IGF-1 DES for local growth (zygos/mandible)
• Goal: Stimulate bone growth, widen zygos, increase ramus height, thicken mandible
• Timeline: 6–12 months depending on progress
  
  
  I'm unsure on how much dosing of IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES I should be taking would appreciate advice on that.

---

Phase 2: Surgical Enhancement View attachment 3949553​

3. CCW Bimax + Posterior Impaction

• Advance maxilla (forward + up)
• Rotate mandible forward (counterclockwise)
• Improves jawline, bite, and midface projection
• Surgeon location TBD (likely Turkey or South korea)

4. Genioplasty

• Forward movement + slight vertical reduction
• Goal: Stronger chin, better lip-chin harmony
• Will depend on how mandible grows after Phase 1

Quick Timeline – MARPE + Facemask + Braces + Bimax​

• Month 0 – Start MARPE (palatal expander)
• Week 1–2 – Add Delaire Facemask (~12–16 hrs/day)
• Month 1–2 – Start Braces (light brackets or full set)
• Month 3–6 – Continue Facemask + full Decomp Braces
• Month 6–18 – Braces only, align teeth + undo compensation
• Age ~17.8–18+ – Bimax Surgery (CCW + Genio)
• Post-op (4–6 mo) – Final braces tweaks, then retainers

Hormone Dosing Timeline (GH + IGF-1)​

(Syncs with skeletal growth + ortho timeline)

Time	Hormones	Dose & Timing	Purpose
Month 0 (Start MARPE)	Start HGH	0.4 IU/day → slowly increase to 1–1.2 IU before bed	Begin boosting IGF-1 for bone growth
Month 1–2 (Facemask on)	Add IGF-1 LR3	30–60 mcg/day, AM fasted	Support systemic midface, jaw, and zygomatic growth
Month 2–6	Add IGF-1 DES (targeted)	10–20 mcg/site, 3–5x/week post-facemask or post-gym, inject near zygos or mandible	Trigger local bone growth during facemask pulling
Month 6–9+	Continue GH + LR3 if still progressing	Monitor bloods; can cycle 2 weeks off every 3 months	Maintain gains + prime for better surgery outcome
~1 Month Before Surgery	Stop GH/IGF	Let body normalize before op	Avoid unpredictable soft tissue swelling pre-op

---

Daily Timing:​

• HGH – Night, ~1 hour before sleep (mimics natural GH spike)
• IGF-1 LR3 – Morning, fasted or post-facemask for synergy
• IGF-1 DES – Directly post-facemask or post-workout, localized near desired bone zones

How I am affording this. im getting pallate expander, face mask from turkey, I guilt-tripmaxxed my dad to support me with it. hes taking care of most of the cost however the growth hormone and flights are all paid by me.

will keep yall updated and add some progress pictures over time. would love some advice on what to tweak, hoping all goes well.

hat face mask is shit anyways, it wont let ur mandible come forward

 

[ScienceCel]

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[ScienceCel]

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[gnwitch]

retard pasted this shit from gpt

 

[ScienceCel]

retard pasted this shit from gpt

yes u dumb nigga it is from gpt, doesnt mean it isnt my plan, oh no i dont have an hour to be a fag incel and type it out myself muh grey

 

[orbitallychallenged]

im a 16 year old male. Current height: 5'11.3, Bideltoid: 19.1 inches. making this post almost as a log to share my entire plan and get help on what i can do to improve it/revise it. i am planning on posting my entire journey on here.

i have a slight structureal underbite not too drastic and got invisalign to try to fix it at around 14.5 years old. huge waste of time + money. Recently came to the realization I need to stop coping and get bimax to fix it. I visited a bimaxillaryfacial surgeon around 2 weeks ago; they approved for for MARPE, although I didn't have any breathing issues and my pallate isnt rly narrow but the surgeon was pretty open to it and conviced my dad to talk to him and approve it.
Goals:

• Maximize natural growth before sutures fuse
• Widen and advance midface
• Sharpen jawline + chin
• Set up ideal structure before adult surgeries

---

⚒Phase 1: Development Phase (Age 16–17.5)​

1. MARPE + Facemask Protraction View attachment 3949531

• Purpose: Expand palate + pull maxilla forward
• Method: Bone-borne MARPE + Delaire facemask Will do both of these for approx 6 months (while running hgh + igf1)
• braces after this for 8-12 months to fix teeth allignment before bimax
• Supervised by ortho/surgeon
• Trying to get good midface base without surgery early

2. GH + IGF-1 Protocol View attachment 3949533

• GH: Start of with 3iu a day for first 2 weeks, 4 for the next 2, and 6iu for the next 8-12 months. I will start it as soon as i get my MARPE done.
• IGF-1 LR3: 30–60 mcg/day or 3x/week
• IGF-1 DES for local growth (zygos/mandible)
• Goal: Stimulate bone growth, widen zygos, increase ramus height, thicken mandible
• Timeline: 6–12 months depending on progress
  
  
  I'm unsure on how much dosing of IGF-1 LR3 and IGF-1 DES I should be taking would appreciate advice on that.

---

Phase 2: Surgical Enhancement View attachment 3949553​

3. CCW Bimax + Posterior Impaction

• Advance maxilla (forward + up)
• Rotate mandible forward (counterclockwise)
• Improves jawline, bite, and midface projection
• Surgeon location TBD (likely Turkey or South korea)

4. Genioplasty

• Forward movement + slight vertical reduction
• Goal: Stronger chin, better lip-chin harmony
• Will depend on how mandible grows after Phase 1

Quick Timeline – MARPE + Facemask + Braces + Bimax​

• Month 0 – Start MARPE (palatal expander)
• Week 1–2 – Add Delaire Facemask (~12–16 hrs/day)
• Month 1–2 – Start Braces (light brackets or full set)
• Month 3–6 – Continue Facemask + full Decomp Braces
• Month 6–18 – Braces only, align teeth + undo compensation
• Age ~17.8–18+ – Bimax Surgery (CCW + Genio)
• Post-op (4–6 mo) – Final braces tweaks, then retainers

Hormone Dosing Timeline (GH + IGF-1)​

(Syncs with skeletal growth + ortho timeline)

Time	Hormones	Dose & Timing	Purpose
Month 0 (Start MARPE)	Start HGH	0.4 IU/day → slowly increase to 1–1.2 IU before bed	Begin boosting IGF-1 for bone growth
Month 1–2 (Facemask on)	Add IGF-1 LR3	30–60 mcg/day, AM fasted	Support systemic midface, jaw, and zygomatic growth
Month 2–6	Add IGF-1 DES (targeted)	10–20 mcg/site, 3–5x/week post-facemask or post-gym, inject near zygos or mandible	Trigger local bone growth during facemask pulling
Month 6–9+	Continue GH + LR3 if still progressing	Monitor bloods; can cycle 2 weeks off every 3 months	Maintain gains + prime for better surgery outcome
~1 Month Before Surgery	Stop GH/IGF	Let body normalize before op	Avoid unpredictable soft tissue swelling pre-op

---

Daily Timing:​

• HGH – Night, ~1 hour before sleep (mimics natural GH spike)
• IGF-1 LR3 – Morning, fasted or post-facemask for synergy
• IGF-1 DES – Directly post-facemask or post-workout, localized near desired bone zones

How I am affording this. im getting pallate expander, face mask from turkey, I guilt-tripmaxxed my dad to support me with it. hes taking care of most of the cost however the growth hormone and flights are all paid by me.

will keep yall updated and add some progress pictures over time. would love some advice on what to tweak, hoping all goes well.

i thougt that face masks are only for younger kids

 

[Bitchwhipper2]

You wont do shit bitch

 

[ScienceCel]

i thougt that face masks are only for younger kids

yeah, i alraedy got my MARPE in, no face mask

 

[ScienceCel]

You wont do shit bitch

ima post the before after in a year. the bimax genio and ccw is confirmed ive already seen a maxillofacial surgeon and approved. MARPE installed yesterday. biggest issue is the using the hgh as my parents dont know abt it

 

[foresthills]

ima post the before after in a year. the bimax genio and ccw is confirmed ive already seen a maxillofacial surgeon and approved. MARPE installed yesterday. biggest issue is the using the hgh as my parents dont know abt it

is the bimax genio covered by insurance?

 

[ScienceCel]

is the bimax genio covered by insurance?

only bimax rest out of pocket

 

[aac21]

only bimax rest out of pocket

how the fuck u get bimax covered by insurance ?

 

[ScienceCel]

how the fuck u get bimax covered by insu

ok it hasnt been approved yet but my dads hopeful and the surgeon rec it. worst case its all paid out of pocket i can afford it

 

[aac21]

ok it hasnt been approved yet but my dads hopeful and the surgeon rec it. worst case its all paid out of pocket i can afford it

dam bru wish i had yo bread fr

 

[ScienceCel]

dam bru wish i had yo bread fr

hustle bra u can have the money for it in a year if u focus on it

 

[Th3Man]

How are u getting a surgery at 16?

 

[ScienceCel]

How are u getting a surgery at 16?

i just had consults, getting them at 18

 

[DNRDniggerking]

how do you even have the money

 

[KYS RETARD COPERS]

i fw my ortho. ive talked to him about my entire plan and told him my main focus is asthetics. he agreed to marpe the face mask was just something i was considering

Facemask works in adults when sutures are loosened with marpe

 

[looksmaxxinglooser]

 

[LuhManiac]

 

[VelvetAscension]

yeah, i alraedy got my MARPE in, no face mask

Hey, I’ve read your post and it really caught my attention because I’m currently planning to improve my facial structure and overall looks. I’m considering getting MSE and possibly combining it with a facemask, so your experience is very relevant for me.

I have a few questions for you:

1. Why did you choose MARPE instead of MSE? Was it due to bone thickness, tooth roots, or just your doctor’s recommendation?
2. How effective was the facemask for you at your age? Did you see noticeable changes in cheekbones, mandible position, or forward growth before surgery?
3. How many mm of expansion did you achieve with MARPE?
4. Looking back, do you think MARPE + facemask was worth it, or would you have gone straight to surgery (Bimax/CCW) if you could start over?
5. Did you experience any side effects from HGH or IGF during your process?
6. In your opinion, is 16 still a good age to get real bone changes from MARPE + facemask, or is it already too late for significant results?
7. Based on your own experience, what would be your top tips for someone who’s just starting this journey?

Thanks a lot in advance — I really appreciate any insight you can share.

 

[kurd]

how do you even have the money

hes a fraudster probably

 

[needlemax]

im a 16 year old male. Current height: 5'11.3, Bideltoid: 19.1 inches.

Is your height measured in the morning or at night?

 

[ScienceCel]

Hey, I’ve read your post and it really caught my attention because I’m currently planning to improve my facial structure and overall looks. I’m considering getting MSE and possibly combining it with a facemask, so your experience is very relevant for me.

I have a few questions for you:

1. Why did you choose MARPE instead of MSE? Was it due to bone thickness, tooth roots, or just your doctor’s recommendation?
2. How effective was the facemask for you at your age? Did you see noticeable changes in cheekbones, mandible position, or forward growth before surgery?
3. How many mm of expansion did you achieve with MARPE?
4. Looking back, do you think MARPE + facemask was worth it, or would you have gone straight to surgery (Bimax/CCW) if you could start over?
5. Did you experience any side effects from HGH or IGF during your process?
6. In your opinion, is 16 still a good age to get real bone changes from MARPE + facemask, or is it already too late for significant results?
7. Based on your own experience, what would be your top tips for someone who’s just starting this journey?

Thanks a lot in advance — I really appreciate any insight you can share.

havent done facemask, not doing it. got marpe becuase its more structural and the doctor reccomended it. to answer if it was worth it, and if i shouldve rather gotten bimax/ccw initially obv surgery is better but i am already schduled to get bimax( insurance is likely planning it) and genio w ccw (out of pocket). even if the bimax isnt covered by insurance i plan on paying out of pocket. i just ordered by HGH, its ordered and arrives in a week ill start pinning then and keep u updated (also pinning test w it). 16 might be a good age for marpe, most orthos dont rly do facemasks at that age and MARPE is whats reccomended (or mse or sum invisalign expander).

 

[ScienceCel]

I make money editing for small buisnesses and my dads loaded lol

hes a fraudster probably

 

[kurd]

I make money editing for small buisnesses and my dads loaded lol

Probably bs but sure

 

[ScienceCel]

Probably bs but sure

wtvr u say mr kurd

 

[kurd]

wtvr u say mr kurd

Thanks

 

[luca_.]

have you noticed your midface getting longer since Marpe

 

[km47]

This is completely useless at your age.
View attachment 3949556
It won't cause maxillary projection. There's a reason why orthodontists only use Facemasks for kids under the age of 9-12, beyond that point they simply don't work because some of your sutures have already closed.

DNR the rest

Wrong. You can use facemasks if ortho is using MARPE. After midpalatary sutures are split (diastema is visible) there is a ~1 month period where maxillary protraction can be possible if patient wears facemask at least 14 hours a day (im including sleep time) + is compliant. If compliant, 4-5mm can be achieved. Stop spreading information about shit you dont know. My sources are Dr Lipkin and Ting

 

[ScienceCel]

Wrong. You can use facemasks if ortho is using MARPE. After midpalatary sutures are split (diastema is visible) there is a ~1 month period where maxillary protraction can be possible if patient wears facemask at least 14 hours a day (im including sleep time) + is compliant. If compliant, 4-5mm can be achieved. Stop spreading information about shit you dont know. My sources are Dr Lipkin and Ting

do u think its worth doing considering im getting bimax? if so i already have marpe in and can i plan getting that too esp since i have to wait like a year till i can actually go thru with the surgery

 

[km47]

do u think its worth doing considering im getting bimax? if so i already have marpe in and can i plan getting that too esp since i have to wait like a year till i can actually go thru with the surgery

Which state

 

[ScienceCel]

Which state

ny

 

[km47]

ny

Is money an issue? Can you fly to CA for bimax?

 

[ScienceCel]

Is money an issue? Can you fly to CA for bimax?

money isnt really an issue, ive smoken to a maxillofacial surgeon and might try to get insurance to approve if not was planning on doing the surgery in turkey or india. why CA tho? if theres some real benefit I might be able to

 

[km47]

Dr. Gunson. World class surgeon (mid aged). If youre doing Bimax and want to optimize potential then its him. His line of thinking is unique and more brilliant than other maxillofacial surgons

 

[ScienceCel]

Dr. Gunson. World class surgeon (mid aged). If youre doing Bimax and want to optimize potential then its him. His line of thinking is unique and more brilliant than other maxillofacial surgons

shoukd i take india or turkey out the picture? since its much more affordable and i have family in turkey

 

[Smogg]

beyond 16 the palatal sutures have already closed, meaning that they've become hard bone, so no amount of expanding will separate them anymore

The sutures can be separated with enough force, expansion is completely possible in adults.