Mandible: male vs female

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One of the most dimorphic bones of the skull, there are many differences between the male and female mandible.

1) Ramus

- Length

The male ramus is longer in the descending direction. This is most likely due to the greater bite force that a longer ramus yields (due to longer masseter).

Long vs short descending ramus:

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The male ramus is also longer in the ascending direction. This again leads to greater bite force, but also higher cheekbones as the zygomatic process of temporal is positioned higher when the ascending ramus grows higher, and thus the cheekbones themselves are positioned higher. This leads to smaller eye sockets and is a key component of “hunter eyes”.

Long vs short ascending ramus:

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Skull view of differing ramus lengths:

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- Width

The male ramus is also wider than the female’s. This is partially due to greater posterior remodeling of the ramus, or, in other words, a straighter ramus that makes the jaw look more square. A straighter ramus also yields greater bite force (due to wider masseter).

Straight vs sloped ramus:

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Differing ramus slopes:

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In addition to greater posterior remodeling, male mandibles have larger coronoid processes. This is due to longer zygomatic processes of temporal or more forward positioned zygomatic bones. This again leads to a wider masseter and thus greater bite force.

Small vs large coronoid process:

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Real life examples of males with large vs small coronoid processes:

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2) Gonions

- Bigonial width

Males have wider bigonions due to greater horizontal remodelling of the ramus during development. This is related to a greater bite force, possibly due to the straighter angulation of the masseter, and also gives the mandible and teeth better protection.

Wide vs narrower bigonion:

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-Gonial angulation

The gonion, where the masseter muscle attaches, evertoutwards in the male skull, whereas, in the female skull, it is straight or even inverts toward the body of the mandible. Gonial eversion is another trait associated with higher bite force.

Gonial eversion vs inversion:
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To avoid the accusation of cherry picking pictures:

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Skull view:

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3) Symphysis (Chin)


The male chin is longer, wider, and more protrusive (due to a longer mandible overall) than the female’s.

Long vs short chin:

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Wide vs narrow chin:
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Long vs short mandible:

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Potential dimorphic aspects of mandible:

Antegonial notch: male dimorphic trait

Posterior ramus flexure: male dimorphic trait

Sources:

1) Bite force-


2) Ramus length-



3) Ramus width-



4) Gonions-




5) Symphsis-


 
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Another High-IQ thread from @MisterMercedes

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@MisterMercedes, OP what causes wide, tall, square, projected chins in males?
 
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good thread, dn rd all but how does this help us?:y'all:
 
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@MisterMercedes, OP what causes wide, tall, square, projected chins in males?
High prenatal androgen exposure mainly, but is also affected by pubertal androgen levels.
 
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High prenatal androgen exposure mainly, but is also affected by pubertal androgen levels.
FUARK

The Pren T trait is sooo brutal, probably the biggest factor in determining a High T slayer or not.


High prenatal androgen exposure mainly, but is also affected by pubertal androgen levels.
How does one tell if they're high pren t or not?

Also does jaw development, uprighted teeth, palate, etc. have an effect on chin? Like besides hormones are there any other factors that contribute to chin size?
 
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Would you say a strong robust masculine jaw always will look better than a average jaw in men?
 
FUARK

The Pren T trait is sooo brutal, probably the biggest factor in determining a High T slayer or not.



How does one tell if they're high pren t or not?

Also does jaw development, uprighted teeth, palate, etc. have an effect on chin? Like besides hormones are there any other factors that contribute to chin size?
High prenatal T faces usually have wide spaced eyes wide noses, wide mouths, long nasal bridges, higher cheekbones, longer philtrums and chins, longer palates, longer mandibles, more protrusive noses, larger frontal bones, etc. Basically very masculine.

Not sure exactly how “upright teeth” and palate affect chin shape, I don’t think there is a significant relationship.

A high occlusal plane will make the entire jaw more downswung and thus the chin might look longer, and vice verse for a low occlusal plane
 
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Would you say a strong robust masculine jaw always will look better than a average jaw in men?
No. It depends on other features of the face, particularly the eye spacing and intercanthal and outercanthal distances (PFL).

For example, a wide big onion works on his face because he has a very high outercanthal distance:

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Same with Vito Basso:

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A narrower bigonion works on O’ Pry because he has a much smaller outer canthal distance:

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No. It depends on other features of the face, particularly the eye spacing and intercanthal and outercanthal distances (PFL).

For example, a wide big onion works on his face because he has a very high outercanthal distance:

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Same with Vito Basso:

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A narrower bigonion works on O’ Pry because he has a much smaller outer canthal distance:

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For future reference, a line drawn down from the lateral can thus should fall slightly within the gonion.

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In general, “oval faces” or tapered jaws are the most attractive face shape, for both males and females.
 
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No. It depends on other features of the face, particularly the eye spacing and intercanthal and outercanthal distances (PFL).

For example, a wide big onion works on his face because he has a very high outercanthal distance:

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Same with Vito Basso:

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A narrower bigonion works on O’ Pry because he has a much smaller outer canthal distance:

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Yea makes sense theres no such thing as a perfect feature that will suit everybody it depends alot on your other features and proportions
 
For future reference, a line drawn down from the lateral can thus should fall slightly within the gonion.

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In general, “oval faces” or tapered jaws are the most attractive face shape, for both males and females.
What do you mean when you say a tapered jaw btw? Would johnny depp or jeremy meeks be considered a tapered jaw? Do you mean the cheekbones are wider then the jaw that whats considered a tapered jaw?
 
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What do you mean when you say a tapered jaw btw? Would johnny depp or jeremy meeks be considered a tapered jaw? Do you mean the cheekbones are wider then the jaw?
Narrower big onion, medium to slightly narrow chin width, ramus ending around the stomion, proportionate chin length to midface, and lack of gonial eversion.

Usually yields a gonial angle around 118-122, but there are exceptions.

Examples:

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Depp and Meeks would be considered to have square jaws.
I would say tapered/oval jaw with lean face is ideal for males.

Barrett is basically the opposite of that:

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Narrower big onion, medium to slightly narrow chin width, ramus ending around the stomion, proportionate chin length to midface, and lack of gonial eversion.

Usually yields a gonial angle around 118-122, but there are exceptions.

Examples:

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Hmm lol many women said they like guys with square jaws imo I think its a better look for most guys like gives them sex appeal
 
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Legit thread, gonial eversion doesn’t seem like a positive trait to me, usually it just looks off.
Would’ve been a legendary thread if you add the fixes for each of them though.
 
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Legit thread, gonial eversion doesn’t seem like a positive trait to me, usually it just looks off.
Would’ve been a legendary thread if you add the fixes for each of them though.
What is gonial eversion?
 
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What is gonial eversion?
Something he mentioned in the thread, it’s when your bigonial width is wider than your bizygomatic width. Brad Pitt has it.
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Would you say jaw wider than cheekbones is a masculine trait?
A wide jaw is a masculine trait, like OP mentioned, so I’d say yes but masculine doesn’t always equate to good looking.
 
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Something he mentioned in the thread, it’s when your bigonial width is wider than your bizygomatic width. Brad Pitt has it.
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Gonial eversion usually leads to that, but doesn’t have to.

Gonial eversion is when the gonion (where the masseter attaches) everts from the body of the mandible. This makes the jaw look more angular and is associated with higher bite force.

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Gonial eversion usually leads to that, but doesn’t have to.

Gonial eversion is when the gonion (where the masseter attaches) everts from the body of the mandible. This makes the jaw look more angular and is associated with higher bite force.

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Would you say Jeremy meeks has gonial eversion?
 
Would you say Jeremy meeks has gonial eversion?
He has very slight eversion or simply no inversion. Very similar to Nessman.

His square jaw appearance comes mostly from wide bigonion and long ramus.
 
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Gonial inversion is fucking cancer......all you can do is get some faggy implants.
 
One of the most dimorphic bones of the skull, there are many differences between the male and female mandible.

1) Ramus

- Length

The male ramus is longer in the descending direction. This is most likely due to the greater bite force that a longer ramus yields (due to longer masseter).

Long vs short descending ramus:

View attachment 1142126View attachment 1142128
The male ramus is also longer in the ascending direction. This again leads to greater bite force, but also higher cheekbones as the zygomatic process of temporal is positioned higher when the ascending ramus grows higher, and thus the cheekbones themselves are positioned higher. This leads to smaller eye sockets and is a key component of “hunter eyes”.

Long vs short ascending ramus:

View attachment 1142139View attachment 1142141

Skull view of differing ramus lengths:

View attachment 1142144

- Width

The male ramus is also wider than the female’s. This is partially due to greater posterior remodeling of the ramus, or, in other words, a straighter ramus that makes the jaw look more square. A straighter ramus also yields greater bite force (due to wider masseter).

Straight vs sloped ramus:

View attachment 1142159View attachment 1142160

Differing ramus slopes:

View attachment 1142163
In addition to greater posterior remodeling, male mandibles have larger coronoid processes. This is due to longer zygomatic processes of temporal or more forward positioned zygomatic bones. This again leads to a wider masseter and thus greater bite force.

Small vs large coronoid process:

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Real life examples of males with large vs small coronoid processes:

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2) Gonions

- Bigonial width

Males have wider bigonions due to greater horizontal remodelling of the ramus during development. This is related to a greater bite force, possibly due to the straighter angulation of the masseter, and also gives the mandible and teeth better protection.

Wide vs narrower bigonion:

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View attachment 1142188

-Gonial angulation

The gonion, where the masseter muscle attaches, evertoutwards in the male skull, whereas, in the female skull, it is straight or even inverts toward the body of the mandible. Gonial eversion is another trait associated with higher bite force.

Gonial eversion vs inversion:
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To avoid the accusation of cherry picking pictures:

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Skull view:

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3) Symphysis (Chin)


The male chin is longer, wider, and more protrusive (due to a longer mandible overall) than the female’s.

Long vs short chin:

View attachment 1142223View attachment 1142224

Wide vs narrow chin:
View attachment 1142227View attachment 1142231

Long vs short mandible:

View attachment 1142234View attachment 1142236

Potential dimorphic aspects of mandible:

Antegonial notch: male dimorphic trait

Posterior ramus flexure: male dimorphic trait

Sources:

1) Bite force-


2) Ramus length-



3) Ramus width-



4) Gonions-




5) Symphsis-


Taylor is a class II overbite case
 
One of the most dimorphic bones of the skull, there are many differences between the male and female mandible.

1) Ramus

- Length

The male ramus is longer in the descending direction. This is most likely due to the greater bite force that a longer ramus yields (due to longer masseter).

Long vs short descending ramus:

View attachment 1142126View attachment 1142128
The male ramus is also longer in the ascending direction. This again leads to greater bite force, but also higher cheekbones as the zygomatic process of temporal is positioned higher when the ascending ramus grows higher, and thus the cheekbones themselves are positioned higher. This leads to smaller eye sockets and is a key component of “hunter eyes”.

Long vs short ascending ramus:

View attachment 1142139View attachment 1142141

Skull view of differing ramus lengths:

View attachment 1142144

- Width

The male ramus is also wider than the female’s. This is partially due to greater posterior remodeling of the ramus, or, in other words, a straighter ramus that makes the jaw look more square. A straighter ramus also yields greater bite force (due to wider masseter).

Straight vs sloped ramus:

View attachment 1142159View attachment 1142160

Differing ramus slopes:

View attachment 1142163
In addition to greater posterior remodeling, male mandibles have larger coronoid processes. This is due to longer zygomatic processes of temporal or more forward positioned zygomatic bones. This again leads to a wider masseter and thus greater bite force.

Small vs large coronoid process:

View attachment 1142164

Real life examples of males with large vs small coronoid processes:

View attachment 1142170View attachment 1142174

2) Gonions

- Bigonial width

Males have wider bigonions due to greater horizontal remodelling of the ramus during development. This is related to a greater bite force, possibly due to the straighter angulation of the masseter, and also gives the mandible and teeth better protection.

Wide vs narrower bigonion:

View attachment 1142186View attachment 1142187
View attachment 1142188

-Gonial angulation

The gonion, where the masseter muscle attaches, evertoutwards in the male skull, whereas, in the female skull, it is straight or even inverts toward the body of the mandible. Gonial eversion is another trait associated with higher bite force.

Gonial eversion vs inversion:
View attachment 1142193
View attachment 1142199

To avoid the accusation of cherry picking pictures:

View attachment 1142204
Skull view:

View attachment 1142207

3) Symphysis (Chin)


The male chin is longer, wider, and more protrusive (due to a longer mandible overall) than the female’s.

Long vs short chin:

View attachment 1142223View attachment 1142224

Wide vs narrow chin:
View attachment 1142227View attachment 1142231

Long vs short mandible:

View attachment 1142234View attachment 1142236

Potential dimorphic aspects of mandible:

Antegonial notch: male dimorphic trait

Posterior ramus flexure: male dimorphic trait

Sources:

1) Bite force-


2) Ramus length-



3) Ramus width-



4) Gonions-




5) Symphsis-


i swear to god my biteforce is like 200kgs
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High prenatal androgen exposure mainly, but is also affected by pubertal androgen levels.
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Also, how to determine whether someone is a late bloomer?, Gandy was way less sharp in the early 20s and then he grew into a more well defined face with and strong bone structure in his late 20s, so how to tell whether someone's face is still in the developmental stage even after they have reached the ideal age of having a fully developed face?
 
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o pry bigonians are not narrow at all jfl
he literally jaw mogs most people
just lacks any flare
are inward

@volcelfatcel tots
your a o pry fan
 
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o pry bigonians are not narrow at all jfl
he literally jaw mogs most people
just lacks any flare
are inward

@volcelfatcel tots
your a o pry fan
basically
he is just inwards
needs to be lean so it looks good
gandy is inwards as well

he still jawmogs all, idk where the conclusion that he is narrow came from, his actual face is wide as shit
 
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High prenatal T faces usually have wide spaced eyes wide noses, wide mouths, long nasal bridges, higher cheekbones, longer philtrums and chins, longer palates, longer mandibles, more protrusive noses, larger frontal bones, etc. Basically very masculine.

Not sure exactly how “upright teeth” and palate affect chin shape, I don’t think there is a significant relationship.

A high occlusal plane will make the entire jaw more downswung and thus the chin might look longer, and vice verse for a low occlusal plane
Fuark I have every besides the chin :lasereyes::lasereyes::lasereyes::lasereyes::lasereyes:
 
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