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Several have noticed that the Ray Peat Communities have also overlapped with the "looksmaxxing" scene.
Plenty even asked Ray time ago about what he thought "masculinized" a face (i.e., strong jaw, bigger bones, more "rugged" looking as opposed to infantile/youthful/child looking more).
Well, Ray himself explicitly shared that he believed ESTROGEN is what causes "masculinization" and thus, it's NOT merely DHT, or thyroid, or how much milk you drink, or how much meat, etc. It's not like that.
ESTROGEN causes the "masculinizing" effect because it enables bone spurs, unopposed cellular growth (i.e. bones, tissue), and weakens thyroid function. With excellent thyroid function, opposed estrogen and low GH one will remain looking CHILDLIKE and INFANTILE for most if not all of their lives.
Those who develop "rugged" looks are heavily due to a massive spike of estrogen in the pubertal process, along with estrogen's cousin GH (promotes larger hands and/or feet, blockier face, more bone spurs, more jagged bones like in strong jaws, etc.)
Alas, those who had LOW STRESS puberties with low estrogen, high thyroid, high progesterone, etc. will remain juvenile looking for most of their lives.
It takes a BIG SPIKE of estrogenic and growth hormone activity to do things like make the skin thicker, jaw taller, more projection bone/bone spurs, thicker and bigger hands/feet (possibly excess water accumulation due to estrogen/GH), and thus final "tonus" or tone of the body/physique rests AFTER the "terrain" has been laid out by the pubertal process.
This is why SOME people like rugged, sharp boned, heavy boned, etc. and some not. The more excess, unopposed growth the more bigger bones, bigger limbs/hands, bigger ears/nose, and "full" look one has from a skeletal or form-like perspective of the organism.
Ray said how juvenile looking animals are often healthier and live longer and fertile because they just touched puberty "enough" to reach a low-grade "maturity" but did not have excess stimulation and estrogen-like effects to cause future health problems as a result as likely.
This is why less "rugged" guys can have lots of kids, but super "masculine" looking guys can have many more health or mood problems explaining associations like it being common for rugged and masculine looking individuals to have served jail time, have familial issues, etc.
The very same thing that creates a "rugged" person also has a higher tendency to create a problematic person if the very creation of such is stressful, and their life continues to be operating as such.
So this covers all of those who endless ask, "Why don't I look more angular, better jaw bones, etc."
It's because your puberty was NOT that "stimulating" for you. You remained in a less severe pubertal form. In puberty, massive hormonal and energetic shifts take place to heavily sway one's form -- even sometimes prior to puberty these same effects are taking place, only just not as quickly/strongly as you see in kids aged 12-15 and such who have the right effects that produce big, dramatic changes in looks.
If you look "softer" or more "feminine" it probably means you have LESS ESTROGEN, not more. More estrogen in puberty makes boys and girls more likely to be rugged, thicker, larger because estrogen is the "growth" hormone like its cousin growth hormones, which in too high amounts stop the replication and screw up of cells, mitochondria, health.
Higher thyroid usually STOPS growth, so it will limit things like how massive, angular, sharp, etc. facial bones get. Same with progesterone, sodium, etc.
All the evidence you need that stress produces growth/change is compare someone before trauma to after (mentally) and realize effects are also what we see but do not know, i.e., phenotype; "final" adult-like form (which continues to slowly change anyways).
The "mature" or "rugged/tough" looking pheno after fully grown is often driven by more stressful, unopposed growth hormone puberties, while puberties that curb excess stress often leave the animal in its youthful state even well past its 30s -- sometimes even until its death.
This is it really ... No whole "genetics" or other nonsense discussion. Genetics maybe help decide things like eye color, general midface suturing or "immediate impression" kinda looks but NOT jaw size, face width, skull size, hair position or quality, height, bone mass, etc. All of that is HEAVILY done by hormones and energetic circumstances outside of any genes, which genes themselves are energetically "imprinted" and communicate two ways anyways.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN NOW YOU KNOW. How you "look" is really all about energy, lifestyle, circumstances. Be happy if you look "baby" like more it means you have a lower chance of disease than the overly "mature" forms.
Plenty even asked Ray time ago about what he thought "masculinized" a face (i.e., strong jaw, bigger bones, more "rugged" looking as opposed to infantile/youthful/child looking more).
Well, Ray himself explicitly shared that he believed ESTROGEN is what causes "masculinization" and thus, it's NOT merely DHT, or thyroid, or how much milk you drink, or how much meat, etc. It's not like that.
ESTROGEN causes the "masculinizing" effect because it enables bone spurs, unopposed cellular growth (i.e. bones, tissue), and weakens thyroid function. With excellent thyroid function, opposed estrogen and low GH one will remain looking CHILDLIKE and INFANTILE for most if not all of their lives.
Those who develop "rugged" looks are heavily due to a massive spike of estrogen in the pubertal process, along with estrogen's cousin GH (promotes larger hands and/or feet, blockier face, more bone spurs, more jagged bones like in strong jaws, etc.)
Alas, those who had LOW STRESS puberties with low estrogen, high thyroid, high progesterone, etc. will remain juvenile looking for most of their lives.
It takes a BIG SPIKE of estrogenic and growth hormone activity to do things like make the skin thicker, jaw taller, more projection bone/bone spurs, thicker and bigger hands/feet (possibly excess water accumulation due to estrogen/GH), and thus final "tonus" or tone of the body/physique rests AFTER the "terrain" has been laid out by the pubertal process.
This is why SOME people like rugged, sharp boned, heavy boned, etc. and some not. The more excess, unopposed growth the more bigger bones, bigger limbs/hands, bigger ears/nose, and "full" look one has from a skeletal or form-like perspective of the organism.
Ray said how juvenile looking animals are often healthier and live longer and fertile because they just touched puberty "enough" to reach a low-grade "maturity" but did not have excess stimulation and estrogen-like effects to cause future health problems as a result as likely.
This is why less "rugged" guys can have lots of kids, but super "masculine" looking guys can have many more health or mood problems explaining associations like it being common for rugged and masculine looking individuals to have served jail time, have familial issues, etc.
The very same thing that creates a "rugged" person also has a higher tendency to create a problematic person if the very creation of such is stressful, and their life continues to be operating as such.
So this covers all of those who endless ask, "Why don't I look more angular, better jaw bones, etc."
It's because your puberty was NOT that "stimulating" for you. You remained in a less severe pubertal form. In puberty, massive hormonal and energetic shifts take place to heavily sway one's form -- even sometimes prior to puberty these same effects are taking place, only just not as quickly/strongly as you see in kids aged 12-15 and such who have the right effects that produce big, dramatic changes in looks.
If you look "softer" or more "feminine" it probably means you have LESS ESTROGEN, not more. More estrogen in puberty makes boys and girls more likely to be rugged, thicker, larger because estrogen is the "growth" hormone like its cousin growth hormones, which in too high amounts stop the replication and screw up of cells, mitochondria, health.
Higher thyroid usually STOPS growth, so it will limit things like how massive, angular, sharp, etc. facial bones get. Same with progesterone, sodium, etc.
All the evidence you need that stress produces growth/change is compare someone before trauma to after (mentally) and realize effects are also what we see but do not know, i.e., phenotype; "final" adult-like form (which continues to slowly change anyways).
The "mature" or "rugged/tough" looking pheno after fully grown is often driven by more stressful, unopposed growth hormone puberties, while puberties that curb excess stress often leave the animal in its youthful state even well past its 30s -- sometimes even until its death.
This is it really ... No whole "genetics" or other nonsense discussion. Genetics maybe help decide things like eye color, general midface suturing or "immediate impression" kinda looks but NOT jaw size, face width, skull size, hair position or quality, height, bone mass, etc. All of that is HEAVILY done by hormones and energetic circumstances outside of any genes, which genes themselves are energetically "imprinted" and communicate two ways anyways.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THEN NOW YOU KNOW. How you "look" is really all about energy, lifestyle, circumstances. Be happy if you look "baby" like more it means you have a lower chance of disease than the overly "mature" forms.
