Men dislike you for no reason when you ascend

[PhuccinManlet]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

 

[mirinturbolowinhib]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

So why are you here then faggot

 

[fwhr glazer]

Dnr manlet

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

I've always gotten attention and that's not a rare thing. It's never made me hate another person for getting attention. I can be very selective with attention and often don't want any. That's why I like it here. I can always put the phone down.

 

[pashanimair]

I get exactly what you’re saying, bro. It’s not paranoia or insecurity, it’s literally how male dynamics play out once you stand out even slightly in the dating/looks hierarchy. Most people underestimate just how fragile male egos are when it comes to attention, especially if it involves women. You’re basically describing in detail something I’ve noticed too: the automatic hostility you receive from other guys the moment they sense you’re a “threat” socially or romantically.

It’s almost ironic women will often like you without any logical reason, but men will dislike you without any logical reason. The “default setting” for most dudes becomes envy, subtle sabotage, or fake friendliness that hides resentment. And like you said, the reactions usually split into two camps: either the loud, try-hard type who constantly tries to one-up you or interrupt you, or the quiet sulker who avoids you but can’t hide the tension whenever you’re around.

What makes it worse is that even when you try to be chill, nice, or humble, it doesn’t change much. Their brains are wired to see you as competition, so all your positive traits just get ignored. If you get attention, it’s not because of your personality, intelligence, or humor in their eyes it’s always “because of your looks” and they’ll diminish you for it. That’s why friendships with guys who are deeply aware of the “hierarchy” almost always collapse eventually.

The girlfriend situation you mentioned is also spot on. A guy could trust his girlfriend completely, but your existence alone becomes an insecurity trigger. Suddenly you’re the “problem,” not because of anything you did, but because he feels threatened. And like you observed, if the girlfriend interacts with someone he considers unattractive, it doesn’t even register as a threat. That contrast alone shows how much this stuff is driven by looks-based status anxiety.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s a perfect way to “deal with it” other than acceptance. You can’t rewire human jealousy. What you can do is choose your circle more carefully. The only male friendships that work long-term are with guys who either genuinely don’t care about social hierarchies, or who are so secure in themselves that your presence doesn’t rattle them. Those guys are rare, but when you find them it’s worth holding onto.

And yeah, naturally you’ll end up with more female friends because women don’t usually treat you as direct competition in the same way. But even that has its limits, since their boyfriends can end up dragging you into conflict anyway. It’s basically a lose-lose situation unless you’re selective about who you spend time with.

So in the end, the only way to survive this without going crazy is to accept that envy will follow you, stay authentic, and keep your social circle small but genuine. Fake friends, insecure dudes, jealous boyfriends they’ll all cycle out eventually

 

[PhuccinManlet]

I've always gotten attention and that's not a rare thing. It's never made me hate another person for getting attention. I can be very selective with attention and often don't want any. That's why I like it here. I can always put the phone down.

That's good, and I don’t doubt that there are people who don’t let attention get to them or feel jealous when others receive it. You might genuinely be one of those exceptions. I think the difference is that for a lot of guys, attention feels like a rare thing so when they see someone else getting it, especially from women, it can trigger insecurity or resentment.

 

[PhuccinManlet]

I get exactly what you’re saying, bro. It’s not paranoia or insecurity, it’s literally how male dynamics play out once you stand out even slightly in the dating/looks hierarchy. Most people underestimate just how fragile male egos are when it comes to attention, especially if it involves women. You’re basically describing in detail something I’ve noticed too: the automatic hostility you receive from other guys the moment they sense you’re a “threat” socially or romantically.

It’s almost ironic women will often like you without any logical reason, but men will dislike you without any logical reason. The “default setting” for most dudes becomes envy, subtle sabotage, or fake friendliness that hides resentment. And like you said, the reactions usually split into two camps: either the loud, try-hard type who constantly tries to one-up you or interrupt you, or the quiet sulker who avoids you but can’t hide the tension whenever you’re around.

What makes it worse is that even when you try to be chill, nice, or humble, it doesn’t change much. Their brains are wired to see you as competition, so all your positive traits just get ignored. If you get attention, it’s not because of your personality, intelligence, or humor in their eyes it’s always “because of your looks” and they’ll diminish you for it. That’s why friendships with guys who are deeply aware of the “hierarchy” almost always collapse eventually.

The girlfriend situation you mentioned is also spot on. A guy could trust his girlfriend completely, but your existence alone becomes an insecurity trigger. Suddenly you’re the “problem,” not because of anything you did, but because he feels threatened. And like you observed, if the girlfriend interacts with someone he considers unattractive, it doesn’t even register as a threat. That contrast alone shows how much this stuff is driven by looks-based status anxiety.

Honestly, I don’t think there’s a perfect way to “deal with it” other than acceptance. You can’t rewire human jealousy. What you can do is choose your circle more carefully. The only male friendships that work long-term are with guys who either genuinely don’t care about social hierarchies, or who are so secure in themselves that your presence doesn’t rattle them. Those guys are rare, but when you find them it’s worth holding onto.

And yeah, naturally you’ll end up with more female friends because women don’t usually treat you as direct competition in the same way. But even that has its limits, since their boyfriends can end up dragging you into conflict anyway. It’s basically a lose-lose situation unless you’re selective about who you spend time with.

So in the end, the only way to survive this without going crazy is to accept that envy will follow you, stay authentic, and keep your social circle small but genuine. Fake friends, insecure dudes, jealous boyfriends they’ll all cycle out eventually

Exactly, nailed it word for word

 

[Lefty Rankin]

That's good, and I don’t doubt that there are people who don’t let attention get to them or feel jealous when others receive it. You might genuinely be one of those exceptions. I think the difference is that for a lot of guys, attention feels like a rare thing so when they see someone else getting it, especially from women, it can trigger insecurity or resentment.

Might just be young. When you're going through middle school or high school it can be normal.

 

[PhuccinManlet]

Might just be young. When you're going through middle school or high school it can be normal.

Definitely middle school is probably where it starts. I think middle schoolers view it more about popularity and being liked rather than dating yet. I’m in college now, and that’s when it's all about dating and social life which is why this mindset feels so prevalent. But I believe it'll fade as people get older and are busy with life, because they won’t have time to be dramatic over dumb childish shit

 

[LegendaryKennen]

true

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

because they won’t have time to be dramatic over dumb childish shit

we'll be 40 soon xddd

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

 

[Lefty Rankin]

Definitely middle school is probably where it starts. I think middle schoolers view it more about popularity and being liked rather than dating yet. I’m in college now, and that’s when it's all about dating and social life which is why this mindset feels so prevalent. But I believe it'll fade as people get older and are busy with life, because they won’t have time to be dramatic over dumb childish shit

Middle school is where it should end too.

 

[ezio6]

get jacked to show dominance fag

 

[sub5outsider]

men are your competition if they dislike you or see you as thread its a compliment

 

[superpsycho]

for some reason they still dislike me even though i never ascended

 

[Lean4Life]

I don't even bother to try to maintain friendships with other men at this point. I even get some of this from my own family members.

 

[John6Enjoyer]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

Tldr pls

 

[AverageTevvezFan]

how do you all deal with this?

It’s not guaranteed that you can follow this advice, but ideally you would work on traits that gain male respect besides being attractive to women.

Including:
Being good at a certain skill/sport
Good height/frame/physique
Being NT and good at taking jokes/making fun of others

The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you

Shutting down guys who try to do that
And just being generally likeable, which is easier said than done.

But if it is a boyfriend of a girl you know, he will probably hate you anyway, even if you
would’ve been good friends otherwise.

 

[karmacita901]

idc they didn't like me before and were already doing most of that shit to me anyway.

 

[rawr]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

DNR but if you're taller men will be much more jealous and try to start fights especially if theyre insecure

 

[Squidwardmaxx]

 

[messi1]

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

Even online too
Normie automatically assume a good looking guy is a bad guy who will cheat on his gf

 

[messi1]

If you get attention, it’s not because of your personality, intelligence, or humor in their eyes it’s always “because of your looks”

You just describe 90% org user
They are neither smart nor funny so they claim those 2 don't matter

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

you have to be giga-NT usually

giga-NT GL guys are liked by other guys (ofc there's always some resentment but it doesn't have that much effect at the end)

see Marlon, a lot of guys resent him for slaying but still everyone likes him

 

[Lean4Life]

you have to be giga-NT usually

giga-NT GL guys are liked by other guys (ofc there's always some resentment but it doesn't have that much effect at the end)

see Marlon, a lot of guys resent him for slaying but still everyone likes him

You can't force NT, if you ascend after years of being an abused dog you will still always be hated. I mog all of my siblings and everyone in my former circle and all they did was subtle put downs and insults. Your best option is to cut everyone off and start a new life.

 

[FiendFiend]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

true. ur either loved or hated in public

 

[Gus17]

Naw good looking guys are hyped up by their freinds

 

[mogtivism]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

Brotherhood is for the most part a myth. You might first 1 or 2 good friends but unless everyone’s in relationships and happy with their lives you won’t have a good experience.

If you’re a sub5 outcast, you’ll be used for homework help, and as the jestermaxxed punching bag they don’t invite out to parties/hang out most of the time.

If you ascend to female gaze maxxed HTN by sheer determination and genetic luck, they’ll view you with jealousy and you won’t get respect out of it.

Either way it’s a lose-lose situation for a lot of male friendships. Only through having friendships one on one with guys you really have known a long time or if everyone in the group including yourself are either lonely low tier normies/sub5s or everyone in the group is a fratboy type who gets girls will your friendships actually be decent.

As long as you stick out in some way, you’re on thin ice.

 

[p0lishsubhuman]

You can't force NT, if you ascend after years of being an abused dog you will still always be hated. I mog all of my siblings and everyone in my former circle and all they did was subtle put downs and insults. Your best option is to cut everyone off and start a new life.

I mean yeah, if ppl knew you when you were an abused dog and now you became NT, you will be hated by them, that's true

you need a new environment of ppl that didn't know you in that case

 

[Swarthy Knight]

Wdym no reason. Jealous/envy is a legit reason

 

[spongebobsex]

it’s just due to being mogged. I got replaced by essentially a better version of myself at a job once. I essentially left that job because I couldn’t handle the doppelgänger essentially taking over my role in the work hierarchy. I realized if I ascend I could mog him. I tried to befriend the guy and I asked him about letting me buy off his pc rig because he apparently had a stock full of parts and he essentially ignored me about that so i just left it at that. From what I heard after I left the job he has already fulfilled my role and most people have forgotten about me. Its ropefuel tbh but that’s what happens if you don’t lock in and ascend asap- you will be replaced.

 

[Primalsplit]

I agree. It's so hard being a Chad out there.

 

[Deleted member 137296]

Tales of a HTN, sexhaver. This reads like the male version of a pick-me girl humble brag; 'im just soo good looking and hanging out with the guys is so much better than interacting with girls who are just so jealous of my male orbitors'

Ig this is what happens when you're good looking + non-nt, normies will ostracise / bully you because they register you as competition instead of treating you like a joke and infantilizing you

 

[disillusioned]

This isn't specific to men. My mother and father both try to gaslight me whenever I have success losing weight, suggesting an 'ideal' target weight for me that is actually still too fat. And these are supposed to be my fucking parents jfl.

 

[R@m@]

This is why I like to be friends with stoners and drug addicts, they're humble, fun and rebellious against society

 

[Judgement]

Had couple of encounters regarding this topic one of them was an obese manlet nigga looking at me angrily

 

[pfl]

it’s ironic how the first 2 replies of this thread just solidify your point

 

[enlightful]

Once you ascend, there’s a tradeoff: women like you for no reason, but men start disliking you by default. Many guys can’t stand the sight of another man getting attention especially when they aren’t getting any themselves.


The only male friendships I’ve managed to build or maintain are with guys who are either disconnected from the whole looks and dating hierarchy and aren't neurotypical. Those friends actually appreciate certain aspects of appearance and will hype you up without envy, because they are bluepilled.


But men who are aware of the value of looks will hate your guts. It's worse than female jealousy. They’ll ignore your positive traits, dismiss the attention you receive, and shit on your flaws to put you down. If they don’t know you yet, they’ll avoid you altogether or just dislike you on sight. If you happen to share a friend group, you’ll notice subtle jabs, dismissive comments, or constant downplaying whenever they get the chance. And even when they’re “mature enough” to not show their insecurity to the world, you can still feel the silent suffering whenever you’re acknowledged or praised.


There are two main ways this plays out:

1. The guy gets loud and tries to socially dominate you and redirect the attention to himself. Like talk over you, interrupt you, one-up you and shit like this.

2. He goes quiet and sulks in the background.


If one of your friends has a girlfriend you know, you can almost guarantee the friendship will deteriorate because your very existence feels like a threat. You will suddenly be the source in their relationship problems now regarding trust, cheating and boundaries.


In college, I have many female friends, and whenever their boyfriends show up, I could feel them staring at me from across the room with hostility. And I know they want to break my skull open. If the gf interacts with a sub5 the boyfriend literally doesn't give a shit. At first I thought I was imagining it, since they didn’t even know me. But usually a couple of days later the girlfriend would mention that the boyfriend had, in fact, started bringing me up out of nowhere in a jealous way.


Even when the boyfriend wasn’t controlling or toxic, if we were all part of the same larger friend group with other guys, he would make sure to keep me specifically away from her and never invite me.

I know this is water and envy is extremely common but how do you all deal with this? I’ve been thinking about it because I have formed far more friendships with women than with guys in college. And it's much harder because even if I act nice they can't get over the initial negative bias.

Would you say you're more of a prettyboy in terms of your appearance?

Or the jocky chad type

 

[htbslayeer]

Accurately described how social dynamics play out when females are involved