StrongChin
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Hello, I've been reading posts about recessed faces for some time, but IMO we still have not found a foolproof definition that explains why some faces look “well-built” or strong-looking while others are weak-looking, specifically in the lower third area.
This theory surely isn’t foolproof but I hope will add another piece to the puzzle towards understanding how to become somewhat attractive (HTN+)
THEORY:
I think that the key to understand why some faces appear recessed (weak IRL) is the position of the Mentolabial fold (MF for short) in relation to the philtrum and the bottom lip
Viewing a side profile, if the MF is too much horizontally retruted compared to the highest part of philtrum the face will appear weak-ish even if the chin is big or prominent.
Exaggerated example:
I want to underline the fact that this is true even for people with good bites, and IMO this is why having a good bite is not enough to have a good lower third.
Having a naturally strong jawline is a combination of several factors but I believe a good position of the MF is one of the best visual indicator, both IRL and by PSL aspie standards
I haven’t managed to produce a mathematical line to determine the ideal position for a MF, so instead I’ll give you my personal empirical considerations regarding its relation to a good lower third:
So ideally a top tier lower third should have a high and horizontally protruded Mentolabial fold (+ a good chin obviously)
In general the horizontal protrusion is crucial the more the MF is low and it's a bit less important if the MF is high
MY OWN CONCLUSION (TLDR):
for a Strong looking lower third a good protruding chin is not enough, you also need to have a Mentolabial Fold in a good position in relation to the rest of your features, if you have a recessed-looking jaw/face you need to bring your MF forward and closer to the lower lip (honestly don’t know if this is even possible). Have fun morphing side profiles
This theory also kinda answers to the old question of “Chin vs Mandible recession” : if the MF is horizontally retruded then the mandible is recessed
Let me know if you like this theory or if you think it’s garbage or water, if you believe it to be somewhat true I’d like it if you help me find a mathematical line to measure this type of recession and most importantly please share knowledge if you know which procedures might help to improve the Mentolabial Fold.
SURGERIES:
As far as I know chin implants and standard genioplasty don’t actually move the Mentolabial Fold but have the side effect of making it deeper, idk how other types of osteotomies like chin shield, geniopaully or chin wing affect it
Bimax instead moves the MF but I don’t know how it influences its angle and how it exactly changes the nose/philtrum, I read on other posts that advancing too much the maxilla can cause chimp-lips. As a final consideration I think that CCW rotation gives the MF a little bit more of horizontal protrusion (please someone confirm this), so theoretically it should be better for creating the strong-ish look mentioned above.
This is where my knowledge ends.
This theory surely isn’t foolproof but I hope will add another piece to the puzzle towards understanding how to become somewhat attractive (HTN+)
THEORY:
I think that the key to understand why some faces appear recessed (weak IRL) is the position of the Mentolabial fold (MF for short) in relation to the philtrum and the bottom lip
Viewing a side profile, if the MF is too much horizontally retruted compared to the highest part of philtrum the face will appear weak-ish even if the chin is big or prominent.
Exaggerated example:
I want to underline the fact that this is true even for people with good bites, and IMO this is why having a good bite is not enough to have a good lower third.
Having a naturally strong jawline is a combination of several factors but I believe a good position of the MF is one of the best visual indicator, both IRL and by PSL aspie standards
I haven’t managed to produce a mathematical line to determine the ideal position for a MF, so instead I’ll give you my personal empirical considerations regarding its relation to a good lower third:
- 1) the more a MF is horizontally protruded the more the jawline appears strong (too much protrusion is uncanny tho), jaw-jutting basically does this
- 2) in an ideal Anteface the MF appears somewhat more protruded than the top point of philtrum [example: Angelina Jolie, don’t have an example for men]
- 3) if the MF is high (close to bottom lip) the lower third can still look Strong even if the face is overall recessed [examples: David Gandy, Sean O’Pry]
- 4) A high MF is always more aesthetic than a low one and enhances the chin even if it is not super big and squared (it’s a halo basically) [examples: young Jhonny Depp, prettyboys in general]
- 5) if the MF is low (distant from bottom lip) the lower third usually doesn’t look good, to “compensate” and produce the Strong-ish look it needs to be horizontally protruded and/or the chin must be big and prominent [examples: youtuber Men’s Maxxing, Hexum]
- 6) A low MF looks better if its angle is big (flatter MF), the more the angle is small (deep MF) the worse it looks, as an example I morphed Chico’s face
So ideally a top tier lower third should have a high and horizontally protruded Mentolabial fold (+ a good chin obviously)
In general the horizontal protrusion is crucial the more the MF is low and it's a bit less important if the MF is high
MY OWN CONCLUSION (TLDR):
for a Strong looking lower third a good protruding chin is not enough, you also need to have a Mentolabial Fold in a good position in relation to the rest of your features, if you have a recessed-looking jaw/face you need to bring your MF forward and closer to the lower lip (honestly don’t know if this is even possible). Have fun morphing side profiles
This theory also kinda answers to the old question of “Chin vs Mandible recession” : if the MF is horizontally retruded then the mandible is recessed
Let me know if you like this theory or if you think it’s garbage or water, if you believe it to be somewhat true I’d like it if you help me find a mathematical line to measure this type of recession and most importantly please share knowledge if you know which procedures might help to improve the Mentolabial Fold.
SURGERIES:
As far as I know chin implants and standard genioplasty don’t actually move the Mentolabial Fold but have the side effect of making it deeper, idk how other types of osteotomies like chin shield, geniopaully or chin wing affect it
Bimax instead moves the MF but I don’t know how it influences its angle and how it exactly changes the nose/philtrum, I read on other posts that advancing too much the maxilla can cause chimp-lips. As a final consideration I think that CCW rotation gives the MF a little bit more of horizontal protrusion (please someone confirm this), so theoretically it should be better for creating the strong-ish look mentioned above.
This is where my knowledge ends.
