Midface Ratio Qualms?

[MD_Hopeful69]

So to calculate you take the the IPD divided by the perpendicular line from the pupil to top of upper lip? If the philtrum is already short and the brows are low, then the nose is long which causes long Midface? What is considered long Midface in absolute measurement (how many cm or mm is considered a long Midface

 

[Deleted member 2227]

A long nose.

 

[Deleted member 656]

Average nose height vertically from the base to a perpendicular interpupilary line is around 50 mm. And given that an average philtrum is 15.5 mm, you'd probably have to say anything over 66 mm is a long midface in absolute terms. That's not an issue though. A longer midface in absolute terms is ideal when you have the width to match it.

 

[medialcanthuscel]

There are already 10000 thread about that, stop asking the same questions

 

[her]

Average nose height vertically from the base to a perpendicular interpupilary line is around 50 mm. And given that an average philtrum is 15.5 mm, you'd probably have to say anything over 66 mm is a long midface in absolute terms. That's not an issue though. A longer midface in absolute terms is ideal when you have the width to match it.

My nose height is around 45-50mm when measuring with a ruler in the mirror, but it looks long. Why is that? And I can't measure my philtrum accurately because it isn't straight, it is very "forward", I don't know how to explain.

 

[Deleted member 656]

I can't measure my philtrum accurately because it isn't straight, it is very "forward", I don't know how to explain.

Easier to do it with a picture. The concavity doesn't matter, you take the measurement vertically.

My nose height is around 45-50mm when measuring with a ruler in the mirror, but it looks long. Why is that?

Noses are meant to be long.

But seriously it could just be a narrow IPD.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Easier to do it with a picture. The concavity doesn't matter, you take the measurement vertically.


Noses are meant to be long.

But seriously it could just be a narrow IPD.

where does the nose start ? for mesuring it ? at the middle of the connexion of the eyebrows ?

 

[her]

Easier to do it with a picture. The concavity doesn't matter, you take the measurement vertically.

How do I measure it with a picture?

Noses are meant to be long.

But seriously it could just be a narrow IPD.

Yeah, my IPD looks kinda narrow, but I don't know the measurement.

 

[Deleted member 656]

How do I measure it with a picture?

Yeah, my IPD looks kinda narrow, but I don't know the measurement.

If you have a super accurate picture like a passport photo you can take them pretty easily to a more or less accurate degree. Diameter of the male iris is 11.77 mm with very small standard devations. Use that as a reference in a non lens-distorted picture and the measurements will be right to within a mm.

where does the nose start ? for mesuring it ? at the middle of the connexion of the eyebrows ?

Draw an interpupilary line and measure from there to the base.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

If you have a super accurate picture like a passport photo you can take them pretty easily to a more or less accurate degree. Diameter of the male iris is 11.77 mm with very small standard devations. Use that as a reference in a non lens-distorted picture and the measurements will be right to within a mm.


Draw an interpupilary line and measure from there to the base.

I see.

i don't know if my measurements are correct but, i have like 1.16 in midface ratio
and like 60 mm for the nose to philtrum lengh.
Isn't kind of odd since the midface ratio is fine ?
I mean good midface ratio isn't correlated with compact midface ?

 

[her]

Easier to do it with a picture. The concavity doesn't matter, you take the measurement vertically.


Noses are meant to be long.

But seriously it could just be a narrow IPD.

Actually, I think I have a low nasal bridge, because I'm half asian, JFL. Could that give the illusion of a longer nose?

 

[Deleted member 656]

Actually, I think I have a low nasal bridge, because I'm half asian, JFL. Could that give the illusion of a longer nose?

If anything that'd make it look shorter.

I see.

i don't know if my measurements are correct but, i have like 1.16 in midface ratio
and like 65 mm for the nose to philtrum lengh.
Isn't kind of odd since the midface ratio is fine ?
I mean good midface ratio isn't correlated with compact midface ?

That's more compact than O'Pry. Yours is no higher than 1.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

If anything that'd make it look shorter.


That's more compact than O'Pry. Yours is no higher than 1.

i did something wrong then.

 

[her]

If anything that'd make it look shorter.

Sorry, could you show me a low nasal bridge from front and side profile, please? I don’t really understand how it looks.

 

[Deleted member 656]

Sorry, could you show me a low nasal bridge from front and side profile, please? I don’t really understand how it looks.

Low vs high, you get the idea.

 

[Ekeoma_The_BBC]

Average nose height vertically from the base to a perpendicular interpupilary line is around 50 mm. And given that an average philtrum is 15.5 mm, you'd probably have to say anything over 66 mm is a long midface in absolute terms. That's not an issue though. A longer midface in absolute terms is ideal when you have the width to match it.

Is ideal facial proportion a relatively long middle third (length of the nose), followed by a compact midface then? It's something I noticed in anime characters a lot

compact midface but long middle third, too short middle third leads to a "pug like" pig look

 

[Deleted member 656]

Is ideal facial proportion a relatively long middle third (length of the nose), followed by a compact midface then? It's something I noticed in anime characters a lot
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compact midface but long middle third, too short middle third leads to a "pug like" pig look

Getting into subjective territory but imo, yes.

A relatively short philtrum; around the 13 to 15 mm range, though ideally around 14 mm, with an IPD in the 63 to 69 mm range and a nose long enough to give you a 1.0 midface ratio. The closer to 69 mm, the better. Assuming, that is, that you can maintain all the other facial ratios also. Something like Gandy's proportions with a slightly more youthful philtrum. Anything higher than 69 mm and you're starting to get into uncanny valley territory because of the eye spacing.

But the most important thing is the 1.0 midface ratio with the short philtrum. Chico has the 1.0 midface ratio with a 14 mm philtrum and a ~65 mm IPD. It looks great and perfectly harmonious.

That's for white people at least. Ethnic people that are predisposed to larger upper lips will want a slightly higher midface ratio. Something in the 1.025 range. Marlon Teixeira is a good example.

The midface should always be the shortest facial third, or at least the same size as the upper third.

 

[her]

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Low vs high, you get the idea.

Yup, mine is low. Can that be fixed through rhinoplasty or something like that?

 

[Deleted member 656]

Yup, mine is low. Can that be fixed through rhinoplasty or something like that?

Probably fixable with a rhinoplasty but it's hardly a failo on its own.