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Will minoxidil help for eyebrows? if yes when i will stop using it will come back to my normal state or will they be at least a bit better
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Will minoxidil help for eyebrows? if yes when i will stop using it will come back to my normal state or will they be at least a bit better
Yes it will work. I kept my lash and brow gains after discontinuing my usage, but I also used for close to 2 years.It will work and i would think atleast some gains would stay
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That's impressive. I take it you used it topically too? I have been using it orally for a few weeks now, why didn't you take it orally, is it because you didn't want to systemically grow hair?Yes it will work. I kept my lash and brow gains after discontinuing my usage, but I also used for close to 2 years.
Nope I personally used it orally.That's impressive. I take it you used it topically too? I have been using it orally for a few weeks now, why didn't you take it orally, is it because you didn't want to systemically grow hair?
I'm pretty sure lash and brow gains won't be susceptible to shedding as it isn't affected by DHT so hair growth from minoxidil that isn't on the scalp isn't going to shed. How much growth would you say you had?
Ah. I knew minoxidil was a growth stimulator and not a DHT blocker, but I thought that since minoxidil doesn't address DHT that once you stop taking it there is no counter balance from minoxidil, therefore it would cause the rapid shedding. I didn't know it was due to the hair returning to its natural cycle. Thanks for telling me.Nope I personally used it orally.
It’s not about DHT. Minoxidil extends the anagen (growth) phase. Once you discontinue its usage, the you will undergo a shed most likely as the hair will return to its natural hair cycle.
I got a lot of growth. The lashes and brows were as good as they can get.
Understand that on Oral, you will experience a major shed if you discontinue your usage, especially on your scalp. If you are struggling from hair loss, 5ARi is the first course of action.
I use Dutasteride and ru58841 in terms of 5ARis and anti androgens.Ah. I knew minoxidil was a growth stimulator and not a DHT blocker, but I thought that since minoxidil doesn't address DHT that once you stop taking it there is no counter balance from minoxidil, therefore it would cause the rapid shedding. I didn't know it was due to the hair returning to its natural cycle. Thanks for telling me.
Have you had concerns about hair loss yet? Ever tried the finasteride & minoxidil combination?
Isn't RU58841 more a research chemical, it wasn't approved for medical use, was it?I use Dutasteride and ru58841 in terms of 5ARis and anti androgens.
YeahIsn't RU58841 more a research chemical
No it never finished trials.it wasn't approved for medical use, was it?
None. Started with Dutasteride only, 2.5mg a day. No sides. Unironically my libido increased (due to higher estrogen conversion). RU no sides either, just a bit of a hassle to home brew it every 10 days.Noticed any sides with either? Dut has a pretty large half life
Wow. Cool stuff man. That's the dream Dut protocol outcome right there. I thought 0.5mg/day was the typical use for Dut, I'm surprised you haven't had any sides, and actually had a libido boost. You must be a blessed hyper-responder.None. Started with Dutasteride only, 2.5mg a day. No sides. Unironically my libido increased (due to higher estrogen conversion).
Holy. Respect for the DIY discipline. That homebrew grind is real. I have dealt with that shit in the past with stuff I'm sure you can infer. Are you making it in PG/EtOH or K&B/MB? I think some people rotate the vehicles depending on their scalp's sensitivty.RU no sides either, just a bit of a hassle to home brew it every 10 days.
Yeah legit, but I really wouldn’t be scared of starting or scared of the possibility of sexual side effects.Wow. Cool stuff man. That's the dream Dut protocol outcome right there.
Yes, 0.5mg is the standard dosage. I use 2.5mg since scalp DHT suppression goes from ~50% with 0.5mg, to ~80% with 2.5mg with only a 4% in serum DHT (92% vs 96%, so basically no difference since it’s already nuked to the ground). Had some ground to recover, so obviously less androgens would mean greater chance of regrowth, hence the 2.5mg. 5x the dosage doesn’t mean 5x the side effects.I thought 0.5mg/day was the typical use for Dut, I'm surprised you haven't had any sides, and actually had a libido boost. You must be a blessed hyper-responder.
Yes, unironically if you have crashed test levels and normal estrogen levels you will have higher libido than normal test and no estrogen. (been there, done that)Never thought of the increased oestrogen conversion since the extra testosterone no longer efficiently turns into DHT. Definitely can explain that libido, agreed. People seem to underestimate how much oestrogen plays into sexual health.
I use Propylene Glycol and Ethanol. I use 50mg ru58841 a day.Are you making it in PG/EtOH or K&B/MB?
Decent amount of time now. Definitely noticed vellus hairs coming through after starting Dutasteride which are becoming terminal, better results since I added in RU since it takes care of any residual androgens at the scalp. Less androgens at the scalp will obviously mean greater chance of regrowth, or at the very least you won’t be losing any ground. But if the hairs are there but miniaturised there’s a good change you can bring them back to terminal.Also, curious - how long have you been on this specific stack for and what results have you seen thusfar?
Honestly, you're not wrong at all. I totally agree, I think the hysteria around fin sides definitely ramped up post-social media explosion and that chart perfectly backs it. Insane how the reporting spike aligns almost exactly with:Yeah legit, but I really wouldn’t be scared of starting or scared of the possibility of sexual side effects.
Thing is most of these people claiming to have all these side effects are schizo. I’m not saying PFS isn’t real, but I am saying that side effects, including PFS, are very much exaggerated in 2025.
Even in long-term studies (10 yr +) in Asians, no evidence of PFS symptoms were ever discovered. Only 1-3% get sexual sides, which wasn't even significantly different from the placebo arm in the original trials.
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Only after social media started popping off side effect reports started skyrocketing, and no, it’s not because there were fewer users back in the 2000s, millions of men were already on it back then.
Yeah, that mindset is based ASF. People act like getting sexual sides is the end of the world - WCS? Pop a Cialis. Long-term usage of PDE5 inhibitors is literally safe for most guys too, even some cardiovascular perks too. TRT too? Literal cheat code. Just completely resets the whole endocrine game...I will say, I am under the opinion that even if you are one of the few to get side effects, JFL at giving a single fuck tbh. On the off chance I had sexual sides I would’ve just used PDE5 inhibitors. They can be used longterm as well. TRT also relieves most of the sides for 5ARi usage. I am not on anything at the moment.
Mirin. Most people cry at 0.5mg; you're nuking DHT and still getting bricked up more than before...Yes, 0.5mg is the standard dosage. I use 2.5mg since scalp DHT suppression goes from ~50% with 0.5mg, to ~80% with 2.5mg with only a 4% in serum DHT (92% vs 96%, so basically no difference since it’s already nuked to the ground). Had some ground to recover, so obviously less androgens would mean greater chance of regrowth, hence the 2.5mg. 5x the dosage doesn’t mean 5x the side effects.
Yes, unironically if you have crashed test levels and normal estrogen levels you will have higher libido than normal test and no estrogen. (been there, done that)
RU + dut must be scorched earth warfare on your scalp. No androgen left behind. PG + EtOH is old school but it works. If you're not flaking or drying out then you're chilling really. Also, RU hitting any leftover androgens that dut doesn't touch is just the cherry on top.I use Propylene Glycol and Ethanol. I use 50mg ru58841 a day.
Decent amount of time now. Definitely noticed vellus hairs coming through after starting Dutasteride which are becoming terminal, better results since I added in RU since it takes care of any residual androgens at the scalp. Less androgens at the scalp will obviously mean greater chance of regrowth, or at the very least you won’t be losing any ground. But if the hairs are there but miniaturised there’s a good change you can bring them back to terminal.
Such a nuclear stack since i’m currently trying without any growth stimulant (minox), since oral minox rather bloats you because the hyperpolarization induces an increase in sodium retention through increased aldosterone biosynthesis in order to reduce intracellular potassium.
Everyone preaches muh genetics when they lose their hair on gear, like no, you just didn't prep. AAS don't have to wreck you if you're running the right supports.Hair line was raped due to AAS when I was younger and not taking the necessary precautions while doing so. AAS can definitely be run without looksminning yourself, but that starts with removing every molecule of DHT and androgens at the scalp.
Couldn't agree more. I'll need to copy this stack ASAP. By the time I see the first sign of the fucking norwood reaper, I'll already be behind. Don't wanna be on N3 wondering what happened...Prevention is best dude. I recommend starting some form of protocol before you even realise you are norwooding, because by the time you notice, you are probably at the point of losing ground. Just don’t reach that place in the begging and you will save yourself a lot of hassle, and time. As well as when you reach older ages, your hair will be a major halo and you will out compete everyone else who is norwooding, since the people that do not bald are in the minority.
TLDR: Shower in ru58841 + Dutasteride for breakfast, lunch and dinner or shotgun to neurocranium + cyanide + falling from a 500 meter building.
I rambled quite a bit JFL, was bored.
In terms of anti androgens i’ve pretty much done all I can. I highly doubt that anyone would ever be losing hair on such a stack, unless they are suffering from something other than AGA. However it is a pretty safe assumption to assume AGA IMO, since men that do not bald are unfortunately in the minority.What's the next move for you then do you think? Coasting on the current setup, or are you planning to add something else if progress slows?
Yup, don’t get me wrong 0.5mg is a perfectly fine dosage and many will likely see results, especially if just thinning or wanting to maintain. If you can afford (or sourced from china) I can only really see benefits from 2.5mg. Once I get to a maintenance phase, I may possibly see if 0.5mg can maintain it, but tbh I don’t really see the point. Maybe if you encountered sides at 2.5mg it would be worth testing out for those individuals. I just jumped straight into 2.5mg due to the methods above if I encountered sides, but not everyone is willing to pin themselves etc, so starting at 0.5mg and titrating may be beneficial for them.Mirin. Most people cry at 0.5mg; you're nuking DHT and still getting bricked up more than before...
Yeah, I also agree, serum DHT going from 92% to 96% is completely negligible, whereas scalp DHT, that extra suppression from 2.5mg is clutch, especially for regrowth, not just maintenance. And LOL, yeah, higher oestrogen with low test = giga libido if you're sensitive to E2. Not many people know that. Been in that same boat.
Yeah scalp is all good. RU basically takes care of any scalp testosterone since that will still rape your hair follicles, just slower. People who are still losing ground on Duta are probaby very sensitive to androgens so would probably also need RU to take care of that scalp testosterone.U + dut must be scorched earth warfare on your scalp. No androgen left behind. PG + EtOH is old school but it works. If you're not flaking or drying out then you're chilling really. Also, RU hitting any leftover androgens that dut doesn't touch is just the cherry on top.
Yeah people want results quick but it may not be the best long term move. Less is sometimes more. I can understand the usage of minoxidil alone without a 5ARi if people experience hair loss early, like before 18, to just “stall” and cope until they are happy to use a 5ARi. It’s controversial here, but I determined the only concern in terms of your physical development to be dick, and 5ar and DHT also make up a lot of neurosteroids. If the concern was bone growth, or something along those lines, which through looking on this site seems to be quite a big reason for people not using, it’s pure copium IMO. Then again i’m not saying a 16 year old should hop on Duta.Honestly, skipping minox is a power move. You've done it perfectly, very impressed man. People rush into minox like it's magic for their scalp, but if your follicles are still under androgen attack, it's like watering a dead plant. All you'll be doing is temporarily inflating a dying structure... You wiped the DHT clean and now you're seeing vellus turn into terminal naturally. Exactly how it should be done. Oral minox causing bloat is 100% real. That aldosterone spike -> sodium retention -> water face, oedema chain. Just not worth it for some. You're already getting terminals so why rush? Spot on. I guess you could always use minox if you reach a plateau, you've essentially cleared the battlefield for it. Is that in the plan at all?
Yup. They preach muh genetics for everything. It’s cope. Your a 100% right.Everyone preaches muh genetics when they lose their hair on gear, like no, you just didn't prep. AAS don't have to wreck you if you're running the right supports.
Good shit bro, monitor closelyCouldn't agree more. I'll need to copy this stack ASAP. By the time I see the first sign of the fucking norwood reaper, I'll already be behind. Don't wanna be on N3 wondering what happened...
Yup no doubt. Feel free to PM whenever, about whatever. Not too many high IQ people around here to talk to, though there are some.Super high IQ user, thanks a lot man. I'll probably PM you in the future about this.![]()