Most people in society illogically derive morality from the law.

[Aladin]

These days it seems as if people justify what is "right" or "wrong" (which in and of themselves are subjective concepts) in accordance to the law which provides objective guidelines to be followed by everyone.

For example, when gay marriage became legal although many people who were firmly against homosexuality stayed true to their beliefs, some people who were neutral or only slightly against it became influenced by the law to start either accepting it as normal or in a few cases, actively supporting it. I guess the reason behind this is that when gay marriage was illegal, they believed homosexuality was wrong ONLY because it was illegal. Whereas when it became legal, they believed that it became legal BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT.

Power is everything in this world. As a result of the power held by the government, society begins to sub-consciously worship their government entity as a living god. Laws are taken as seriously as commandments in the bible. So if the law dictates something to be legal/illegal, people will automatically and instinctively judge that particular act as right/wrong accordingly. What they dont realise is that the government is far from God. It is just a collection of human beings whose pre-decessors were only able to achieve a position of power through violence and murder, from where they were able to establish authority, control and create order.

The government is simply a business, on a national scale. Like big companies/corporations, the government is an organization whose primary purpose is to make money from which it can retain/possibly increase its power. Any laws made are not necessarily done so for the good of society or with the intention of benefitting society in any way, rather laws are made with the governments' self-interests at heart.

THE LEGALITY/ILLEGALITY OF AN ACT SHOULD NOT BE THE CRITERIA IN DETERMINING WHETHER IT IS "RIGHT" OR "WRONG".

 

[Godera]

Following the law is cucked

 

[Aladin]

Following the law is cucked

Sorta. @Brus Wane said in a thread it’s important to follow laws to evade prison, but at the same time not think of them as having any moral value.

 

[Aladin]

 

[Ignorwoodyou]

These days it seems as if people justify what is "right" or "wrong" (which in and of themselves are subjective concepts) in accordance to the law which provides objective guidelines to be followed by everyone.

For example, when gay marriage became legal although many people who were firmly against homosexuality stayed true to their beliefs, some people who were neutral or only slightly against it became influenced by the law to start either accepting it as normal or in a few cases, actively supporting it. I guess the reason behind this is that when gay marriage was illegal, they believed homosexuality was wrong ONLY because it was illegal. Whereas when it became legal, they believed that it became legal BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT.

Power is everything in this world. As a result of the power held by the government, society begins to sub-consciously worship their government entity as a living god. Laws are taken as seriously as commandments in the bible. So if the law dictates something to be legal/illegal, people will automatically and instinctively judge that particular act as right/wrong accordingly. What they dont realise is that the government is far from God. It is just a collection of human beings whose pre-decessors were only able to achieve a position of power through violence and murder, from where they were able to establish authority, control and create order.

The government is simply a business, on a national scale. Like big companies/corporations, the government is an organization whose primary purpose is to make money from which it can retain/possibly increase its power. Any laws made are not necessarily done so for the good of society or with the intention of benefitting society in any way, rather laws are made with the governments' self-interests at heart.

THE LEGALITY/ILLEGALITY OF AN ACT SHOULD NOT BE THE CRITERIA IN DETERMINING WHETHER IT IS "RIGHT" OR "WRONG".

what comes first? the determination of an act being "right", or the law designating it so? it would seem to me, in a functioning democracy, that the laws reflect the will and values of the people, and if the people deem something "right", then it will be made into law. And i think youre overlooking a key aspect of the law; we are coerced to follow it. This means that there is an objectively correct and quantifiable way to live in accordance with the law. So, if the law is able to be objectively followed, and the law comes from the will of the people, does that not make the law, by definition, "right"?

 

[Aladin]

it would seem to me, in a functioning democracy,

As if we do. regarding Gay Marriage, most Californians voted against it and the Supreme Court overruled it.

So, if the law is able to be objectively followed, and the law comes from the will of the people, does that not make the law, by definition, "right"?

Not at all.

 

[WrathOfOlives]

I think you have the wrong order in your logic. Laws don't exist, they aren't magic, it is simply writing on a piece of paper. Belief that these laws are just is what gives them power. Normies overlook laws on paper all the time, I believe the average American breaks multiple felonies a day, yet it almost never gets meaningfully enforced. Why? Because nobody believes in putting someone in a cage for 5 years because they watched family guy moments on YouTube.

However, break a law that people sincerely believe in, like murder being prohibited, and it will get consistently enforced.

If there was a new law that dropped today that children under the age of 10 who are wearing a green hat should be executed. Nobody is going to have the will to enforce this, because nobody believes it is just. The law would be worthless.

 

[#1 threat]

Let's just purge all normies

 

[Aladin]

I believe the average American breaks multiple felonies a day

Which ones?

 

[WrathOfOlives]

Which ones?

Many vaguely worded federal laws, here is one:

"the term “scheme or artifice to defraud” includes a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services."

If I was an attorney, I could define you illegally watching family guy on youtube as you depriving the production studio who made Family Guy of the intangible right of honest services.

 

[Aladin]

Many vaguely worded federal laws, here is one:

"the term “scheme or artifice to defraud” includes a scheme or artifice to deprive another of the intangible right of honest services."

If I was an attorney, I could define you illegally watching family guy on youtube as you depriving the production studio who made Family Guy of the intangible right of honest services.

Piracy is the short word, but fair point.

 

[moredatesmorerapes]

Morality = how likely am I to get into trouble for this, and how bad will the trouble be

For me