MSE before or after facepuller?

[Deleted member 4053]

Does anyone know if it matters in which order you have them done? I think using a facepuller while being in recovery of MSE would be painful as fuck and I'm also wondering if one way is more effective in reaching the end goal of increased forward growth/facial width.

 

[Golden Glass]

Should be obvious that doing facepulling anchored to MSE will yield the best possible results—and would also be the most painful.

 

[Golden Glass]

Damn greycel. You are making our kind seem mentally challenged

I wasn’t trying to be mean lol

 

[Cope]

Should be obvious that doing facepulling anchored to MSE will yield the best possible results—and would also be the most expensive.

What if you don't need that drastic of an upward-forward growth?

MSE + FM on it's own already provides a CCW rotation and I only have a Class I malocclusion.

 

[Golden Glass]

What if you don't need that drastic of an upward-forward growth?

MSE on it's own already provides a CCW rotation and I only have a Class I malocclusion.

MSE on its own doesn’t provide CCW rotation afaik

 

[Cope]

MSE on its own doesn’t provide CCW rotation afaik

I meant MSE + FM

According to @AmorFatis, he asked Won Moon and he said it was possible

 

[Golden Glass]

I meant MSE + FM

According to @AmorFatis, he asked Won Moon and he said it was possible

Then just face pull at a neutral angle.

 

[Cope]

Then just face pull at a neutral angle.

Or I could simply use just one device...

The only thing that differentiates the two is the maxillary expansion. I think MSE would make more sense considering my recessed zygos. Then again, I think a wider palate would disrupt my harmony.

 

[Deleted member 4053]

Damn greycel. You are making our kind seem mentally challenged

asking the dumb questions that everyone has so you don't have to

 

[Cope]

How is better under eye support + possible zygo prominence going to hurt ur harmony?

Plus possibly a wider mouth region and than invisalign to fix the teeth.

Simple

I was referring solely to the wider mouth region, that's my issue.

I'll do a few more morphs, but all my morphs with a wider mouth are actually a looksmin. It's severely overrated here.

 

[Golden Glass]

I was referring solely to the wider mouth region, that's my issue.

I'll do a few more morphs, but all my morphs with a wider mouth are actually a looksmin. It's severely overrated here.

If you’re of the opinion that a wider mouth on you is worse, then yes, expanding a great deal with MSE would be counterproductive. However, if your goals are facepulling-related, you can just install MSE, expand a minimal amount to still loosen all the midfacial sutures, but not enough to widen your mouth, and then stop expanding and facepull anchored to the MSE.

 

[Cope]

If you’re of the opinion that a wider mouth on you is worse, then yes, expanding a great deal with MSE would be counterproductive. However, if your goals are facepulling-related, you can just install MSE, expand a minimal amount to still loosen all the midfacial sutures, but not enough to widen your mouth, and then stop expanding and facepull anchored to the MSE.

True, that wouldn't be as cost-effective but it'll save me having to potentially get custom infraorbital-malar implants down the line.

 

[underdog]

Ronald Ead explained it best, during MSE you'll have an anchor placed so it separates the suture.
After the suture is split and the MSE anchor is still in place, you can begin using the face puller.
Otherwise using a face puller without an anchor is pointless.

 

[Golden Glass]

True, that wouldn't be as cost-effective but it'll save me having to potentially get custom infraorbital-malar implants down the line.

Definitely wouldn’t be the cheapest option—but if you wanted to facepull, doing what I outlined would be the best option. That much bone anchorage would give you the most amount of facepulling results you will ever expect to get. I’m very curious about the upcoming MSE users on this forum who want to really try facepulling for 12+ hours a day. If they don’t get satisfactory results from facepulling, then no one that age will tbh

 

[underdog]

I’m very curious about the upcoming MSE users on this forum who want to really try facepulling for 12+ hours a day. If they don’t get satisfactory results from facepulling, then no one that age will tbh

Most people that get MSE probably won't face pull, even Ronald Ead got the face pull appliance but decided not to use it.. smh
But I agree with @Golden Glass , do MSE and use the face puller religiously.

 

[Golden Glass]

Most people that get MSE probably won't face pull, even Ronald Ead got the face pull appliance but decided not to use it.. smh
But I agree with @Golden Glass , do MSE and use the face puller religiously.

Yeah I think we underestimate just how painful truly bone anchored facepulling is, on top of being done on a midface with loosened sutures. Like I said, I will be very interested in seeing how the people I know who claim are going to do this, pan out.

 

[curryslayerordeath]

Yeah I think we underestimate just how painful truly bone anchored facepulling is, on top of being done on a midface with loosened sutures. Like I said, I will be very interested in seeing how the people I know who claim are going to do this, pan out.

I'll just pop some percs and let myself ascend tbh

Seriously though, I don't think varbrah or Ronald reported any severe pain (along with yang who had only MSE). Ron only had headaches due to his predisposition to them I believe.

 

[underdog]

Doesn't matter who you are, if your suture is being split you'll temporarily experience pain.
Ronald mentioned he had pain during the suture splitting part (first 3 days). After that, it was just normal.

 

[Deleted member 4790]

Yeah I think we underestimate just how painful truly bone anchored facepulling is, on top of being done on a midface with loosened sutures. Like I said, I will be very interested in seeing how the people I know who claim are going to do this, pan out.

It’s not painful.

 

[Golden Glass]

It’s not painful.

Pulling from a Facemask anchored to MSE isn’t? Interesting. Ronald Ead claimed it gave him enough pain to not want to continue it. But then again he used to suffer from nerve related migraines...

 

[Deleted member 4790]

Pulling from a Facemask anchored to MSE isn’t? Interesting. Ronald Ead claimed it gave him enough pain to not want to continue it. But then again he used to suffer from nerve related migraines...

Ok, I think I need to adjust my answer: it shouldn't be painful