MSE + FM for forward growth

[SeriousAscension]

Will MSE + FM give forward growth of the ENTIRE maxilla or only on the alveolar bone? I'm not taking about CCW.

 

[hopecel]

What FM stands for?

 

[SeriousAscension]

FM = Facemask
You would only use this https://forwardontics.com/products/bow?variant=44243538837813 everything else is a scam besides the MewVector the RAMPA Facemask and the CraneFM

 

[Deleted member 8758]

Ive done it, it is a meme.

I want to settle the question. Just dont waste your time/money. MSE is just for subhuman clinically indicated reasons with only a little aesthetic tradeoffs.

Im guessing you came here from Ronald Ead's shilling.

 

[Deleted member 19064]

Will MSE + FM give forward growth of the ENTIRE maxilla or only on the alveolar bone? I'm not taking about CCW.

It's different for everyone. MSE and FM blew my face wide open and changed the appearance of both jaws, nose, zygos and brow ridge. I have no reason to lie. For all those reading dont pm me I won't send pics and I am not going to answer your questions. Post here.

 

[Allornothing]

Implants and bimax to fix recession will do way more aesthetically than both of these.

It's different for everyone. MSE and FM blew my face wide open and changed the appearance of both jaws, nose, zygos and brow ridge. I have no reason to lie. For all those reading dont pm me I won't send pics and I am not going to answer your questions. Post here.

Placebo.

 

[Deleted member 19064]

Placebo.

Cope. Enjoy your metal plates and orbital recession.

 

[Deleted member 29724]

yes and no. It will make u look like a dog. The lower half of the maxilla coming more forward then the top but it might still be better then having a flat midface if you are ressced also not worth ot if you are older then 20

 

[Tasty17]

yes and no. It will make u look like a dog. The lower half of the maxilla coming more forward then the top but it might still be better then having a flat midface if you are ressced also not worth ot if you are older then 20

Why should not the whole maxilla come forward? It’s all connected.

 

[Blond3cel]

It works BUT it takes forever there was a case from a woman which was refusing surgery and it moved the WHOLE maxilla forward.

You can find some of those cases on the internet but its VERY time consuming if you want serious movement.

 

[Deleted member 19064]

age?
it's scientifically impossible for it to affect your brow ridge so I alr know ur a retard

It affects the appearance of the brow ridge because the fulcrum of expansion and protraction occurs at the lateral orbital rim which is attached to the browridge. Such forces demand remodeling of the entire structure when sufficient.

 

[Deleted member 19064]

I was 26 when I split, I expanded to 12mm and then turned back and forth for the next 6 months. I wore the mask for 18 hours a day for 3 months and then once it was apparent that the changes were drastic I wore it only at night. I wore 2 bands on both sides pulling at -15 degrees. yeah im not gonna post the scans. I don't even have them on hand

I'm aware the fulcrum is at the frontozygomatic suture.
Which is why it doesn't make sense to me expansion would touch the frontal bone
But this isn't well known, maybe you're right

Questions:
- Age?
- How much did you expand?
- What was your facemask wearing like (amount of force, frequency)?
- Will you be a bitch and not even PM me the CBCT scans??

 

[Iden]

how did it help the brow ridge? maybe by giving your pituitary gland more space, but the mechanics can't allow for that, can't it?

It's different for everyone. MSE and FM blew my face wide open and changed the appearance of both jaws, nose, zygos and brow ridge. I have no reason to lie. For all those reading dont pm me I won't send pics and I am not going to answer your questions. Post here.

 

[Deleted member 2816]

I was 26 when I split, I expanded to 12mm and then turned back and forth for the next 6 months. I wore the mask for 18 hours a day for 3 months and then once it was apparent that the changes were drastic I wore it only at night. I wore 2 bands on both sides pulling at -15 degrees. yeah im not gonna post the scans. I don't even have them on hand

What changes did you notice

 

[Deleted member 19064]

What changes did you notice

Everything on my face looks more defined. My nose has that defined bony bridge look like Cavill or Alex pettyfer. It has been difficult to adapt to because even though I look better, I look more masculine and mature and get away with less shit than before when I still looked like a teenager. More tooth show when talking, smiling. Wider alar base but hasn't been an issue aesthetically imo- the forward movement evened this out. Better breathing, better cognition. Easier to maintain good posture. One thing thats been interesting that I haven't seen anyone else mention is the field of view of my vision increased, as if going from fullscreen to widescreen, I told my doctor this and he couldn't explain it so maybe its just the result of better sleep and alertness.

Anyone who says MSE is a cope did not take it to its limits.

 

[Deleted member 2816]

Everything on my face looks more defined. My nose has that defined bony bridge look like Cavill or Alex pettyfer. It has been difficult to adapt to because even though I look better, I look more masculine and mature and get away with less shit than before when I still looked like a teenager. More tooth show when talking, smiling. Wider alar base but hasn't been an issue aesthetically imo- the forward movement evened this out. Better breathing, better cognition. Easier to maintain good posture. One thing thats been interesting that I haven't seen anyone else mention is the field of view of my vision increased, as if going from fullscreen to widescreen, I told my doctor this and he couldn't explain it so maybe its just the result of better sleep and alertness.

Anyone who says MSE is a cope did not take it to its limits.

12mm is so extreme though. ( I have MSE in rn). How did you match up your bite and shit. I found expanding more just widened my nose massively but did little for the rest of the face

 

[Deleted member 19064]

12mm is so extreme though. ( I have MSE in rn). How did you match up your bite and shit. I found expanding more just widened my nose massively but did little for the rest of the face

I didn't stay at 12mm, I ended up backtracking 6.5mm of expansion to settle on 5.5mm. I took alt-ramec therapy to its limits. At 12mm of expansion I could feel every suture in my face throbbing when face pulling. If you have reservations about the direction the MSE is taking your face in, simply undo the turns before it ossifies. Go with your gut and dont let your ortho convince you that more expansion is better.

Also. I am STILL in braces, but only a few months longer. Nearly 2 years in braces.

 

[Deleted member 2816]

I didn't stay at 12mm, I ended up backtracking 6.5mm of expansion to settle on 5.5mm. I took alt-ramec therapy to its limits. At 12mm of expansion I could feel every suture in my face throbbing when face pulling. If you have reservations about the direction the MSE is taking your face in, simply undo the turns before it ossifies. Go with your gut and dont let your ortho convince you that more expansion is better.

Also. I am STILL in braces, but only a few months longer. Nearly 2 years in braces.

Did you have the arms in during the alt RAMEC protocol or did you cut them after the split?

 

[Deleted member 19064]

Did you have the arms in during the alt RAMEC protocol or did you cut them after the split?

arms were left on.

 

[Deleted member 2816]

arms were left on.

Can we agree it does fuck all for the midface though? Like cheekbone gains are severely overrated in males.

My ortho cut mine off right after the split so that probably fucked with my gains. Fuming

 

[Deleted member 19064]

Can we agree it does fuck all for the midface though? Like cheekbone gains are severely overrated in males.

My ortho cut mine off right after the split so that probably fucked with my gains. Fuming

No I'm sorry that hasn't been my experience at all. perhaps it depends on the positioning of the MSE, if its placed back as far as possible cheekbone gains are more prominent.

 

[Deleted member 2816]

No I'm sorry that hasn't been my experience at all. perhaps it depends on the positioning of the MSE, if its placed back as far as possible cheekbone gains are more prominent.

You got massive cheekbone improvements?

 

[SeriousAscension]

I was 26 when I split, I expanded to 12mm and then turned back and forth for the next 6 months. I wore the mask for 18 hours a day for 3 months and then once it was apparent that the changes were drastic I wore it only at night. I wore 2 bands on both sides pulling at -15 degrees. yeah im not gonna post the scans. I don't even have them on hand

Thank you very much for your input. How was the forward movement you've gained? Won Moon mentioned that the movement with the facemask leads to a straight and downwards movement. This would be not beneficial as it would increase downward growth.

 

[ayyh]

It's different for everyone. MSE and FM blew my face wide open and changed the appearance of both jaws, nose, zygos and brow ridge. I have no reason to lie. For all those reading dont pm me I won't send pics and I am not going to answer your questions. Post here.

I see you did alt- ramec with the mse + fm. How much mm of forward growth did you achieve? Did you notice your eye support got better and zygomatic bone go forward? Also since you expanded a whole lot, did your lips/mouth become wider? Who was your provider that did the alt ramec ?

 

[SeriousAscension]

If you don't like PMs could then pls tell as here who your ortho was?