Muslim countries ranked by female degeneracy

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SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


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@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
 
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who is looking for kazakh pussy.

I think if we exclude Africa off the map, Kazakh people are the most ugliest fucking mongoloids in man kind. Doesnt help that the bitches arent even good at hiding their ugly fucking faces too. Its no wonder at one point kazakhstan was 50% slavic, absolutely no one would want to procreate with them.
 
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morocco higher than algeria?
also i doubt jordan is a tier
 
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Rank DescriptionCountries
SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


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@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
palestanian pussy feels better cuz its an endagered species
 
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morocco higher than algeria?
Yeah they are way more liberal there I believe. Morocco has its fair share of liberal places but that's like saying Bali = Indonesia which is completely false.
also i doubt jordan is a tier
Yeah they're religious and conservative. They're no different to Palestinians - half the population are Palestinian. The government is very pro-western and elites culturally probably are also, but society at large isnt.
 
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As a Malaysian, this is pretty legit.

Only applies to the Malay ( Muslim ) women though.
 
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Has average churka deleted himself?
 
As a Malaysian, this is pretty legit.

Only applies to the Malay ( Muslim ) women though.
You are living in Malaysia? This region of the world is bucking the trend compared to others in the sense they're turning towards religion - especially their politics. I'd prefer if society became more religious first rather than politicians. The top down approach never works (e.g. Ayatollahs in Iran, AKP in Turkey, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt).
 
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So many Somalian women date christian nigerian or kenyan men lmao

Somalians are the incels of Africa

Idris elba is dating a somalian woman

David bowie had a somalian wife
 
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You are living in Malaysia? This region of the world is bucking the trend compared to others in the sense they're turning towards religion - especially their politics. I'd prefer if society became more religious first rather than politicians. The top down approach never works (e.g. Ayatollahs in Iran, AKP in Turkey, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt).
Born and bred Malaysian, but not a Muslim.

The government here is turning away from Islam ethno-centric ideologies into a sort of pseudo secular Islamic state.

I'd rather this place not become so religious since only such states ruled by Islamic extremist parties are the ones doing the absolute worst in the country.

Malaysia is doing fine and should continue to be a tolerant Islamic state. Everyone gives and takes a little.
 
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So many Somalian women date christian nigerian or kenyan men lmao

Somalians are the incels of Africa
Cope. You take the rotten apple of society and think its a growing phenomenon when its completely out of the ordinary. Anyway do you agree with this list? Even if you think all of these countries are degenerate. It's a fair categorisation I feel in terms of conservatism.

I was going to put Iran in A but then I realised if a revolution happened tomorrow and clerics were gone, the country would be in tier C. So I put them in B instead.

Born and bred Malaysian, but not a Muslim.

The government here is turning away from Islam ethno-centric ideologies into a sort of pseudo secular Islamic state.

I'd rather this place not become so religious since only such states ruled by Islamic extremist parties are the ones doing the absolute worst in the country.

Malaysia is doing fine and should continue to be a tolerant Islamic state. Everyone gives and takes a little.
That's not what I've been reading.



I'm caging at these articles ngl
 
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Cope. You take the rotten apple of society and think its a growing phenomenon when its completely out of the ordinary. Anyway do you agree with this list? Even if you think all of these countries are degenerate. It's a fair categorisation I feel in terms of conservatism.

I was going to put Iran in A but then I realised if a revolution happened tomorrow and clerics were fone, the country would be in tier C. So I put them in B instead.


Bro allow mw to black pill u on somali women


 
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Cope. You take the rotten apple of society and think its a growing phenomenon when its completely out of the ordinary. Anyway do you agree with this list? Even if you think all of these countries are degenerate. It's a fair categorisation I feel in terms of conservatism.

I was going to put Iran in A but then I realised if a revolution happened tomorrow and clerics were gone, the country would be in tier C. So I put them in B instead.


That's not what I've been reading.



I'm caging at these articles ngl
Legit, yes. Many people are undoubtedly forced to be Muslim. During fasting periods they need to hide foods in plastic bags and such. Others are pressured into conversion like my uncle.

Something this article misrepresents is that this is NOT an Islamic problem. It's Malay ethno centric values. As an Indian/Chinese mixed dude I can do whatever I want. I can drink and eat pork in oublic, in front of my Malay friends too and even shared a drink with one.

Such rules and raids are forced only upon the ethnic malay.

Also this is blown way out of proportion, in most areas, things barely happen.

@NoLongerHuman thoughts? ( He is Malaysian )
 
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Legit, yes. Many people are undoubtedly forced to be Muslim. During fasting periods they need to hide foods in plastic bags and such. Others are pressured into conversion like my uncle.

Something this article misrepresents is that this is NOT an Islamic problem. It's Malay ethno centric values. As an Indian/Chinese mixed dude I can do whatever I want. I can drink and eat pork in oublic, in front of my Malay friends too and even shared a drink with one.

Such rules and raids are forced only upon the ethnic malay.

Also this is blown way out of proportion, in most areas, things barely happen.

@NoLongerHuman thoughts? ( He is Malaysian )
Yes, you're correct. It's not the religion itself, but the religion has been misinterpreted and misused by the niggas here for their own benefit. Those raids happen only because it's an easy way to display their "jihad" and "righteousness" or sum bullshit. You won't find these raids happening with 5 star hotels or with the houses of important figures.

I'd say 98% of the most said-to-be islamic figures here are hypocrites. Shit dude, they'll literally bend the rules of religion just to get pussy, for instance. Many of them also don't do their compulsory daily prayers, and fasting during ramadhan. It's all a facade.

I disagree with Malaysia's position on the tier list, while it may seem like everyone here is highly pious, unless they have a certain degree of some self-awareness and open mindedness, they are degenerate. I've witnessed it myself, and many people here have a warped sense of Islam, mainly focusing on the ritual aspect, making it as if it's a cult
 
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Rank DescriptionCountries
SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


Tagging Muslims / Islam debaters

@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
Most legit accurate list 10/10

May god preserve the top place nation.
 
also i doubt jordan is a tier
It is,

Jordan has a very Bedouin like society with Bedouin values and honor killings are mot that uncommon their unfortunately
 
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List is pretty good/accurate tbh, only thing is I’d put morroco in C

Also you forgot Syria but if it were here it would be in B imo

Also Saudi is like half way between A and B atp (would’ve been S 20 years ago)
 
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List is pretty good/accurate tbh, only thing is I’d put morroco in C

Also you forgot Syria but if it were here it would be in B imo

Also Saudi is like half way between A and B atp (would’ve been S 20 years ago)
I have a Saudi friend who has a cousin who is a complete degen, they don’t mix in public that often but online they send each other nudes n shit
 
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You should do a ranking of muslims in western countries
 
Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
I'm not even Muslim and know this is BS. Women are already allowed to drive there.
 
I have a Saudi friend who has a cousin who is a complete degen, they don’t mix in public that often but online they send each other nudes n shit
yeah but the society is still very conservative imo especially amongst boomers,

the younger generations more liberal tho
 
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Why indonesia so high? I have seen so much indonesian porn without even trying. Indonesian maids in HK are some of most promiscious women u will find. Legit sleeping with HK gooks.
 
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Has average churka deleted himself?
Chechens are high T and high E, either they marry earlie or will fuck around
 
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You should do a ranking of muslims in western countries
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Why indonesia so high? I have seen so much indonesian porn without even trying. Indonesian maids in HK are some of most promiscious women u will find. Legit sleeping with HK gooks.
I have a Saudi friend who has a cousin who is a complete degen, they don’t mix in public that often but online they send each other nudes n shit
All of this is private shit which doesn't matter and is rare. It's a known fact lots of arabs from the gulf literally visit the US, UK and engage in all sorts of degeneracy because they know society back home would literally kill them. They usually go back and get a tradwife (or wives).
 
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Rank DescriptionCountries
SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


Tagging Muslims / Islam debaters

@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
great list actually mostly accurate
 
Algeria should be higher, and I am not biased
 
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Rank DescriptionCountries
SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


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@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
You wont fuck a woman from any of these countries so why care
 
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morocco higher than algeria?
also i doubt jordan is a tier
Morroco has both
She is either 100% religious
Or she is 100% a prostitute
Their is no in between
 
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All of this is private shit which doesn't matter and is rare. It's a known fact lots of arabs from the gulf literally visit the US, UK and engage in all sorts of degeneracy because they know society back home would literally kill them. They usually go back and get a tradwife (or wives).
So it is artificial and if they move to west after marriage, they will be hoes?
 
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So it is artificial and if they move to west after marriage, they will be hoes?
At this rate the West is going to be more conservative than the east.
 
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So many Somalian women date christian nigerian or kenyan men lmao

Somalians are the incels of Africa

Idris elba is dating a somalian woman

David bowie had a somalian wife
Somalians MOG every race . It’s impossible for a Somali men to be ugly. All somali men fuck swedish girls daily in Sweden . Ask @sportsmogger
 
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Rank DescriptionCountries
SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


Tagging Muslims / Islam debaters

@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
Where’s Yemen ?
 
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Would you bang a moderate muslim kazakh slut bro:lul:?
 
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Would you bang a moderate muslim kazakh slut bro:lul:?
A slut no? Virginity is sacrosanct to me. I would t touch a girl that's non-virgin. I wouldn't mind if she's kissed - those skin cells on her lips are replenished anyway.
 
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A slut no? Virginity is sacrosanct to me. I would t touch a girl that's non-virgin. I wouldn't mind if she's kissed - those skin cells on her lips are replenished anyway.
Based
 
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who is looking for kazakh pussy.

I think if we exclude Africa off the map, Kazakh people are the most ugliest fucking mongoloids in man kind. Doesnt help that the bitches arent even good at hiding their ugly fucking faces too. Its no wonder at one point kazakhstan was 50% slavic, absolutely no one would want to procreate with them.
How come i have never seen a kazakh female 😟
 
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Rank DescriptionCountries
SThese countries have women on complete lockdown. There is no degeneracy in these countries except in extremely rare circumstances as the consequences will be severe and in some cases life-threatening. Side note: Saudi Arabia will probably be downgraded to A level by end of the decade, B by 2040 and will probably remain C from mid-2050s.
  • Afghanistan
  • Brunei
  • Somalia
  • Saudi Arabia
Honourable mention:
Chechnya / Dagestan
AThese countries are very good as well. Hardly any degeneracy. Most women will be virgins until marriage, there will be rare cases where they are not and likely very westernised. Some of them may have laws against degeneracy but not enforced, but the threat of it alongside social taboo is enough to prevent degeneracy.
  • Bangladesh
  • Malaysia
  • Libya
  • Indonesia
  • Pakistan
  • Nigeria
  • Jordan
  • Palestine
BThese countries are interesting. They have a sizeable liberal population and maybe even liberal govt who try to push secular values like feminsim (not Iran obviously). But generally these societies are fine. Most women are still virgin before marriage and family values are strong.
  • Bahrain
  • Qatar
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Morocco
  • Kuwait / UAE
  • Egypt
CHere it's getting much more interesting. We see public displays of affection. Men and women are openly in relationships and it's not uncommon. Some will have sex before marriage and some will not. It's highly variable depending on where you are. These countries are in need of saving and revolutionising as they are on their way to full blown degeneracy.
  • Algeria
  • Lebanon
  • Tunisia
  • Turkey
DFuck all these countries tbh. They're all former commies no surprise there.
  • Albania
  • Bosnia and Herzegovina
  • Uzbekistan
  • Azerbaijan
  • Kosovo
  • Kazakhstan


Tagging Muslims / Islam debaters

@Gengar @JohnDoe @PrinceLuenLeoncur @yeeyeeslayer @Shahnameh @shia.jihadist @emeraldglass @MaghrebGator
Good list but malaysia and indonesia should be lower
 
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Good list but malaysia and indonesia should be lower
No idk why people are saying this. They're very conservative. You can say maybe it's not as conservative as Pakistan, but they're definitely not on par with those countries a tier below them.
 
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Yeah they are way more liberal there I believe. Morocco has its fair share of liberal places but that's like saying Bali = Indonesia which is completely false.
fair ig, i haven't been there in years and i wasn't paying attention to this stuff when i was younger so i don't even know myself
but if you compare riffians and kabayles for example then yeah the former is clearly much more religious
there's also this
 
No idk why people are saying this. They're very conservative. You can say maybe it's not as conservative as Pakistan, but they're definitely not on par with those countries a tier below them.
99% of hijab porn is them
Every single tiktok i see is them being in relationships or having male friends even touching and hugging them
And they dont even cover up properly
Every single indo muslim female ive seen was wearing a hijab that stuck to their body tightly and their shape was very apparent
Men and women are always intermixed together so they should be in B or C
 
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fair ig, i haven't been there in years and i wasn't paying attention to this stuff when i was younger so i don't even know myself
but if you compare riffians and kabayles for example then yeah the former is clearly much more religious
there's also this
Idk much about them. I've seen @Zizou from that thread. He does mog competition and looks a quite med or Chechen.

But I don't think Algeria is as religious as Morocco. Ruffians are usually in Morocco anyway right?

99% of hijab porn is them
Every single tiktok i see is them being in relationships or having male friends even touching and hugging them
And they dont even cover up properly
Every single indo muslim female ive seen was wearing a hijab that stuck to their body tightly and their shape was very apparent
Men and women are always intermixed together so they should be in B or C
This is the problem with the internet. These minorities ruin it. I could easily go to r/Pakis_GW and see lots of pakis posting nude from PK. That doesn't change reality on the ground. I'm not denying Pakistan is probably more conservative but Indonesia isn't bad relatively. The countries in tier B and C are far worse.
 
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