Muslim(me)proves islam: The greek grammar proves unitarianism in john 17:3 plus trinitarian christianity is refuted from the old and new testaments

[yandex99]

Augustine and Trinitarian Discomfort with John 17:3
John 17:3 is a rather problematic text for those who hold to the Trinity dogma. As I wrote in response to a Reformed Baptist critic of LDS Christology:

In the Bible we see that eternal life comes from knowing Jesus.
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Already, Gilpin has used a text that refutes, not supports, his Christology Why? Firstly, one should note that in Trinitarian theology, there is an allowance (albeit, ambiguously) for a distinction between the “persons” of the Godhead (the Father is not the Son; the Son is not the Spirit; the Spirit is not the Father), as modalism would arise if no distinction was permitted between them; however, there is no allowance for a distinction between “God” or any of the divine titles (e.g., Yahweh; Adonai) and the persons, that is, the Father is “God” but so is the Son and Spirit. However, in many key “creedal” texts in the New Testament (e.g., 1 Tim 2:5 [discussed below]), there is a distinction, not just between the persons of the Father and the Son, but also between “God” and the Son, which is very non-Trinitarian. This is the case in John 17:3. The Greek reads:

αὕτη δέ ἐστιν ἡ αἰώνιος ζωὴ ἵνα γινώσκωσιν σὲ τὸν μόνον ἀληθινὸν θεὸν καὶ ὃν ἀπέστειλας Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν.

"Now this is life of the age to come that they may know you the only one who is the true God and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ" (my translation).

The title, τον μονον αληθινον θεον (“the only one who is the true God”), is predicated upon a single person, not a “being” composed of three “persons” (however one wishes to define “person”), and such is predicated upon the singular person of the Father, with Jesus himself distinguishes himself in John 17:3 from “the only true God.” Absolutising this verse, this is a strictly Unitarian verse as only a singular person is within the category of being the “only true God.”

G-d is ONE

Every single time G-d speaks in the Torah He speaks in the singular – one.

Never does G-d speak as a “plurality” (e.g. a trinity or more).

The fact that we are clearly told G-d is one (אֶחָד / eḥad – D'varim / Deuteronomy 6:4) is only one way we know He is not a trinity – throughout the Jewish bible this important “oneness” and “alone” (Yeshayahu / Isaiah 44:24) and “singularity” is repeated over and over so the lesson is not missed.

G-d is not a man (Bamidbar / Numbers 23:19),

“So said the L-rd. . . the ONE who formed you from the womb, “I (singular) am the L-rd . . .Who spread out the earth ALONE (לְבַדִּ֔י).” Yeshayahu / IIsaiah 44:24,

and we are told G-d is one (D'varim / Deuteronomy 6:4). But now see – it is I! I am the only One! There are no (other) gods with me! (Deuteronomy 32:39).

Over and over and over again we are told that G-d is ONE, alone, by Himself – SINGULAR.

#1 – “אֶחָד / eḥad ” means “one.” It is the same as the number one in English.

“G-d is one” (D'varim / Deuteronomy 6:4).

Some Trinitarians like to point out that “אֶחָד / eḥad ” can be a compound unity – (as in “one forest” which has many things in it).

אֶחָד / eḥad can be a compound unity (see B'reshit / Genesis 2:24 as an example) – but far more often it is an “absolute one” and not compound at all. The word "One" in this D'varim Deuteronomy 6:4 (the Shema) "the L-rd is One" is not a compound unity. It is definitely singular.

Examples of this “absolute one” can be found in Shmuel 2 / 2 Samuel 13:30: "Absolom has slain all the king's sons, and there is not one of them left" and 2 Samuel 17:12: "And of all the men that are with him we will not leave so much as one."

It is clear that just like the English word “one” the Hebrew word “אֶחָד / eḥad ” has a similar use – one means one! What about Deuteronomy 6:4 – the Sh’ma? “Listen, O Israel – the L-rd your G-d, the L-rd is ONE”? The word "One" in this Deuteronomy 6:4 is an adjective, and it describes the proper noun "the L-rd" (SINGULAR), which rules out the possibility of a "compound unity" in this passage.

#2 In Hebrew nouns are singular or plural – similar to English. Let’s look at B'reshit / Genesis 1:26 which begins with the subject of וַיֹּאמֶר vayomer “and he said”, which is a singular form. Hence B'reshit / Genesis 1:26 begins “and G-d (SINGULAR) said. If G-d were a trinity it would be plural. But G-d is ONE, not three.

וַיֹּאמְרוּ vayom'ru “and they said” can be found as in B'réshıt / Genesis 11:3, 11:4; 18:5, 18:9 as well as throughout the Torah – but whenever G-d speaks it is always singular “and He said.”

This is because G-d IS singular – one, not three.

#3 “That you will know that G-d, He (ה֣וּא – singular) is the (singular) Supreme Being and there is none besides Him (singular)" D'varim / Deuteronomy 4:35)

#4 "Now, O L-rd our G-d, deliver us from his hand, so that all kingdoms on earth may know that You ALONE, O L-rd, are G-d.” (Psalm 113:5)

#5 Before Me (SINGULAR) no god was formed, nor will there be one after Me (SINGULAR). I (SINGULAR), even I (SINGULAR), am the L-rd, and besides Me (SINGULAR) there is no Savior.” Yeshayahu / Isaiah 43:11

#6 So said the L-rd, your Redeemer, the ONE who formed you from the womb, “I am the L-rd Who makes everything, Who stretched forth the heavens alone, Who spread out the earth ALONE (לְבַדִּ֔י).” Yeshayahu / Isaiah 44:24.

#7 I am the L-rd, and there is no other; besides Me there is no G-d… I will strengthen you…I order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the L-rd and there is no other!” Yeshayahu / Isaiah 45:5-6

Bamidbar / Numbers 23:19, Shmuel 1 / 1 Samuel 15:29, and Iyov / Job 9:32 tell us that G-d is not a man. Some Christians may argue that Jesus “in the flesh” came later to explain away this fact – but the prophet Malachi destroys this argument when he says in Jesus. “For I, the L-rd, do not change.” Malachi 3:6. Becoming a man is certainly change!

There are missionaries who try to insist that the Hebrew word for one (אֶחָד / eḥad (masculine) ) is not really "one" at all. They try to insist that it is always a compound unity. Those missionaries will insist that יָחִיד yahid is only used to refer to a strict numerical oneness, whereas אֶחָד / eḥad has a wider range of usage that includes composite unities as well. This is total nonsense. אֶחָד ĕḥad is the numeral “1” in Hebrew. Actually it is the masculine noun; the feminine form is אַחַת aḥat). יָחִיד yahid translates more to "only."

The several declined inflections of the noun יָחִיד yahid occur in 12 scriptural verses:

יְחִידְךָ in B'réshιt / Genesis 22:2, 22:12 (only)
יְחִידֶֽךָ (the pausal form) in B'réshιt / Genesis 22:16 (your only)
יְחִידָה in Shoftim / Judges 11:34 (only child feminine)
יָחִיד in Yirm'yahu / Jeremiah 6:26, 'Amos Amos 8:10 and T'hillim / Psalms 25:16 (only son masculine)
הַיָּחִיד in Z'charyah / Zechariah 12:10 (his only)
יְחִידָתִי in T'hillim / Psalms 22:21 and 35:17 (my only one)
וְיָחִיד in Mishlei / Proverbs 4:3 (and only)
and the plural יְחִידִים in T'hillim / Psalms 68:7 (solitary, plural).

The term יָחִיד yahid applies to G-d only when we are stating that G-d is the only G-d. But G-d is not "alone" in the sense that He is surrounded at all times by His mal'achim (angels) chanting kadosh, kadosh, kadosh (holy, holy, holy) continuously.

There is a similar word often confused with יָחִיד yahid and that is yahad (יָחַד) which means "together."
"...the heads of the people and the tribes of Israel were yachid (together) יַחַד D'varim / Deuteronomy 33:5
"All of your rulers have fled yachid (together)" יַחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 22:3
"...I would burn them yachid (together)" יָּחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 27:4
"...I will gasp and pant yachid (together)" יָחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 42:14
"...let us plead yachid (together)" יָחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 43:26
"...and they shall be ashamed yachid (together)" יָחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 44:11
"... let them bring forth salvation and righteousness springing up yachid (together)..." יַחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 45:8
".let us stand yachid (together)..." יָּחַד Yeshayahu / Isaiah 50:8

Alone, in English or Hebrew, is a different word than the word "one."

It would be interesting to see how these missionaries would fit their re-definition of the word אֶחָד ĕḥad into verses like B'réshıt / Genesis 21:15 and B'réshıt / Genesis 22:2; did Hagar put her dying son, Ishmael, under multiple shrubs all at the same time “she threw the boy under ĕḥad [one] of the shrubs” -- or did G-d tell Abraham to take Isaac, his son, up onto many mountains "take him up... onto ĕḥad [one] of the mountains that I will tell you about”?

The word for "one" in Hebrew functions identically to the word in English -- thus while it can be a compound unity (as in one cluster of grapes) it can also be a definite one (one cell). Hebrew nouns are either masculine or feminine. In Hebrew the words for "one" are אֶחָד eḥad (masculine), אַחַת aḥat(feminine).

"You have been shown these things so you should know that HaShem is the the One and Only G-Dand there is no-one else apart from Him" (D'varim / Deuteronomy 4:35).

One more thing about G-d being one (and not a trinity)
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D'varim / Deuteronom 4:39 says loud and clear that there is no other G-d. Hashem is the only one.

"And you shall know this day and consider it in your heart, that the L-rd He is the G-d in heaven above, and upon the earth below; there is none else." D'varim / Deuteronomy 4:39.

The definite article הָֽ ('ha") in front of the word "elohim" (a title used to describe G-d, false gods, angels and even humans who are mighty / powerful judges) makes the translation "the G-d." הָֽאֱלֹ-הִ֔ים. Here is the Hebrew:

וְיָֽדַעְתָּ֣ הַיּ֗וֹם וַהֲשֵֽׁבֹתָ֘ אֶל־לְבָבֶ֒ךָ֒ כִּ֤י יְיָ֙ ה֣וּא הָֽאֱ-להִ֔ים בַּשָּׁמַ֣יִם מִמַּ֔עַל וְעַל־הָאָ֖רֶץ מִתָּ֑חַת אֵ֖ין עֽוֹד׃

Translations tend to translate this as "He is G-d", but the text acutally says "He is THE G-d." -- that is to say, "the One and Only G-D".

D'varim / Deuteronomy 4:35 (four verses earlier) is even more explicit....
אַתָּה֙ הָרְאֵ֣תָ לָדַ֔עַת כִּ֥י יְיָ֖ ה֣וּא הָֽאֱ-לֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ין ע֖וֹד מִלְבַדּֽוֹ׃

"You have been shown these things so you should know that HaShem is the the One and Only G-D and there is no-one else apart from Him" (D'varim / Deuteronomy 4:35

Again we have The definite article הָֽ ('ha") in front of the word "elohim" ("the G-d"), but we also have אֵ֥ין ע֖וֹד מִלְבַדּֽוֹ׃ - no one else apart from Him.

the word badadah and it's various forms in hebrew is always translated as 'monos'(solitary,single,alone,by itself)in the christian septuagint and according to strong's lexicon means the same thing


the word is predicated on 'I'(singular)'he'(singular)and you(singular and apart from the holy spirit and son and being the father by jesus as monos in the NT)

furthermore,the pauline texts state that we will have the same image and same(not like or similar,but same) bodies as jesus has in the ressurected state in heaven

so will we become gods if jesus is god?

AND KENOSIS CANNOT EXPLAIN THIS AWAY as jesus has a GOD in revelation aswell(again if kenosis is true then this cannot be the case as jesus is in his EXALTED STATE and paul also says he will be subject eternally to the father in his exalted state.

furthermore,besides christianity before niceaea and actual textual corruptions which we can see with infrared technology where they deleted words and added them in the oldest texts being a unitarian religion,the whole sine quanon of christianity is FALSE


original sin(false in Genesis 4:7 in the hebrew which says not you must master but you SHALL or can master it)


and blood atonement being necessary is both false

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Having shown in the post " Is Blood Necessary for the Atonement of Sin? " that it is NOT required, and that only two fairly minor forms of wrongdoing could be atoned for with blood sacrifices, the...

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so if jesus did die(which he can't according to the bible https://www.answering-christianity.com/psalm_116_117_118.htm)

then he died for no real reason as atonement is already freely given upon repentance in the hebrew bible

the book of proverbs says do not be greatly upright or you will destroy yourself,there was never a need to be perfect.

 

[Ultimate Subhuman™]

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[yandex99]

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heavyweights like dale tuggy proves this in his history of the early church,also church father's works were later rewritten by Niceans.we can also see how the text was rewritten with infrared technology and ewhat was added and deleted.we muslims have the truth,the bible IS corrupted and jesus WAS a mutaawaahid(unitarian

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

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Low in the Greek grammatical rules are different to than English you can gooogle this point I won’t even waste my time debunking this beyond go to google and you’ll see that you’re wrong. I go to Greek church btw so I know what I’m talking abt

 

[yandex99]

Low in the Greek grammatical rules are different to than English you can gooogle this point I won’t even waste my time debunking this beyond go to google and you’ll see that you’re wrong. I go to Greek church btw so I know what I’m talking abt

the old testament says HA ELOHIM is alone,he stretched out the heavens alone,he is by himself,solitary,singularly etc(badadah root forms)

christian missionaries claim if bible was unitarian it wou;ld use yachid oinstead of achad when yachid is used for a compounded oen aswell,but badadah is used and this has the same meaning as AHAD or MONOS.

 

[yandex99]

Low in the Greek grammatical rules are different to than English you can gooogle this point I won’t even waste my time debunking this beyond go to google and you’ll see that you’re wrong. I go to Greek church btw so I know what I’m talking abt

the messiah cannot die in the psalmist scriptures,and jesus refered to these scriptures as to himself twice(once when satan temptd him implicityl and tacitly agreeing,and another when he said he was the cornerstone the builders rejected,the psalm thats from says he won't die)

 

[yandex99]

also,who is the shiloh prophecied by jacob,other than muhammed(pbuh)this figure being mentioned in isaiah aswell?the rulingship will be with judah(JESUS is from judah,there is a ruler after him) UNTIL the time of shiloh who will come with a fiery law and to him will be ingathering of all peoples...isaiah says he will NOT falter until he brings total judgement on the idol worshippers and prevail over his enemies.....can't be jesus(pbuh)

(muhammed pbuh said the same about himself on day of judgement plus he was the only prophet sent to all of humankind vs just his nation)

 

[irrumator praetor]

blah blah blah, why are you trying to somehow equate pagan Christianity which is clearly closely biased towards trinity (obvious pagan motif) with your sandnigger jewish authoritarian braindead worship of nothing? You can't even have any images or symbolism, absolutely braindead. Average christian church with beautiful art mogs tf out of your rectangle decorated mosques

 

[irrumator praetor]

Obviously the sandnigger muslim is mad the rest of the world has their own pagan culture and is coping with hebraist arguments, as if europe is supposed to be hebrew radicalist yahwist, are you fucking retarded?

 

[irrumator praetor]

heavyweights like dale tuggy proves this in his history of the early church,also church father's works were later rewritten by Niceans.we can also see how the text was rewritten with infrared technology and ewhat was added and deleted.we muslims have the truth,the bible IS corrupted and jesus WAS a mutaawaahid(unitarian

yep rewritten by BWC Pagayns, all early church niggas on the european side were neoplatonists. Do you know what platonism is?

 

[irrumator praetor]

also,who is the shiloh prophecied by jacob,other than muhammed(pbuh)this figure being mentioned in isaiah aswell?the rulingship will be with judah(JESUS is from judah,there is a ruler after him) UNTIL the time of shiloh who will come with a fiery law and to him will be ingathering of all peoples...isaiah says he will NOT falter until he brings total judgement on the idol worshippers and prevail over his enemies.....can't be jesus(pbuh)

(muhammed pbuh said the same about himself on day of judgement plus he was the only prophet sent to all of humankind vs just his nation)

muhammad was a jewish silk road merchant and islam originated in Petras not hijaz. Islam is a copy of Manichaeism and both religions were created by jews

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

blah blah blah, why are you trying to somehow equate pagan Christianity which is clearly closely biased towards trinity (obvious pagan motif) with your sandnigger jewish authoritarian braindead worship of nothing? You can't even have any images or symbolism, absolutely braindead. Average christian church with beautiful art mogs tf out of your rectangle decorated mosques

Cope seethe dilate

Because you don’t like something didn’t mean it’s not real

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

Cope seethe dilate

Because you don’t like something didn’t mean it’s not real

 

[Atomic344]

Low in the Greek grammatical rules are different to than English you can gooogle this point I won’t even waste my time debunking this beyond go to google and you’ll see that you’re wrong. I go to Greek church btw so I know what I’m talking abt

IM SORRY FOR CALLING YOU A FAKE CHRISTIAN OMG GOD LOVES YOU PLS WE NEED YOU BROTHER KEEP FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT