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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
 
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All my teen years just gone GGs never getting these years back :lul: :feelswhy:
Hope nobody else has to experience this just do your stuff at home trust
 
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You are 16, teen years are until 19 and even then people still feel young
 
You are 16, teen years are until 19 and even then people still feel young
I missed out on high school though, I'll never be mentally sane
 
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What if you have crooked teeth and fucked up palate?
 
i look like shit if i jut
 
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What if you have crooked teeth and fucked up palate?
Expand the palate by yourself first, then go get Invisalign once your palate is 40mm+
And mew correctly 24/7 during expansion
 
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Go play some football
 
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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
Get Invisalign.
Metal braces made me recessed and gave me a narrow palate.
Mewing fixed my palate, but not my recession...
 
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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
Well how do i fix a crossbite at home
 
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Well how do i fix a crossbite at home
If you have a crossbite, just get it fixed by an orthdontist. They know best for straightening teeth.
 
Get Invisalign.
Metal braces made me recessed and gave me a narrow palate.
Mewing fixed my palate, but not my recession...
My braces will expand outwards. Idk if I'll get facial changes but I'll have straight teeth without extractions. I'll just see how it goes.
 
Expand the palate by yourself first, then go get Invisalign once your palate is 40mm+
And mew correctly 24/7 during expansion
How the fuck are you supposed to expand your palate at home bro ? I need this my mouth to nose ratio is fucked and literally have stuffed nose 24/7. This shit would save my life
 
How the fuck are you supposed to expand your palate at home bro ? I need this my mouth to nose ratio is fucked and literally have stuffed nose 24/7. This shit would save my life
In that case explicitly get an expander. My point is you don't need an orthodontist if you have several problems aside from crooked teeth.
 
In that case explicitly get an expander. My point is you don't need an orthodontist if you have several problems aside from crooked teeth.
I don’t really have crooked teeth it’s just very narrow palate and slight overbite, but seeing all these warnings are making me really hesistant i look decent I’d say, it’s just my lips are really not wide. You think it would be worth it?
 
dnr nigga
 
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my type of braces have made my palate wider and increased my forward growth slightly
 
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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
INSHALLAH you'll ascend and bro I've 2 questions
1- the name of the appliance which forces you to perma jut for ovebite cuz I'm overbitecel
2- what is facepulling and how to do it for overbite I have hawley retainers which keep my upper teeth in place but I'm recessed in the jaw/chin and what do you recommend I'm 15
 
INSHALLAH you'll ascend and bro I've 2 questions
1- the name of the appliance which forces you to perma jut for ovebite cuz I'm overbitecel
2- what is facepulling and how to do it for overbite I have hawley retainers which keep my upper teeth in place but I'm recessed in the jaw/chin and what do you recommend I'm 15
Thanks man
1 - MARA Appliance, it's just repositioning I think but it's a bit painful for a while because it can bite your cheeks and eating food takes time.
2 - Not too sure, you have to do your research, I just suggested it.
 
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Thanks man
1 - MARA Appliance, it's just repositioning I think but it's a bit painful for a while because it can bite your cheeks and eating food takes time.
2 - Not too sure, you have to do your research, I just suggested it.
Ok but didnt found any thijg rekated to facepulling
 
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Ok but didnt found any thijg rekated to facepulling
Honestly I don’t think that works on lower arch, you can probably only widen it. Elastics change bone but they ruin the maxilla. So just reposition with jutting or the appliance I told you about.
 
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major retardation. Mewing, permajuttjng? JFL you’re not going to fix your bite with these retarded copes.
 
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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
For overbite you should chew mastic to expand the palate plus the other things you mentioned maybe but i dont know if they actually work(chewing will probably loosen the sutures so it will be easier to do the other stuff, orthos dont give a fuck if they fix you also as long as they make money so idk if you can even trust them too much lol
 
major retardation. Mewing, permajuttjng? JFL you’re not going to fix your bite with these retarded copes.
Yea need to atleast add chewing because its caused from lack of chewing
 
Get Invisalign.
Metal braces made me recessed and gave me a narrow palate.
Mewing fixed my palate, but not my recession...
Should've chewed mastic too late tho
 
I don’t really have crooked teeth it’s just very narrow palate and slight overbite, but seeing all these warnings are making me really hesistant i look decent I’d say, it’s just my lips are really not wide. You think it would be worth it?
Check my last post and do that atleast(its named "spread the chewingpill" or some shit
 
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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
Bookmarked good thread and good advice
 
I missed out on high school though, I'll never be mentally sane
How crooked were your teeth? I have gapped teeth and have no problem pulling
 
Like bad crowding, I have to expand both jaws to fit them.
OH shit i feel bad for you when im 20+ and my face is not developing anymore i'll get something to fix my gaps :p
 
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Not all malocclusion is skeletal though no?
 
deep bite seems common in blacks because of their skull
 
A lot is dental and affects the skeletal part
Yes it’s dental, but once you fix the teeth there is not really abnormal growth of the skull, am I mistaken? Like class 2, they can be caused by improper tooth eruption, but once the orthodontist corrects it, the jaws are normal.
 
Yes it’s dental, but once you fix the teeth there is not really abnormal growth of the skull, am I mistaken? Like class 2, they can be caused by improper tooth eruption, but once the orthodontist corrects it, the jaws are normal.
Technically the jaws do change up, yes. But obviously as we know some treatments can recess or give you more growth.
 
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This is very important advice btw please actually listen

The only bone structure changes I needed to ascend is a wider palate and corrected overbite. At least they put in some appliance that basically instantly fixes my overbite. Appliance is a pain and I'm sure some orthotropic appliance Mike Mew uses is way better. I live in the USA so no chance I can visit him. But the appliance does the job without pulling back the maxilla, so I can't complain too much since instead I could've gotten elastics I'd never wear.

Crazy part is, members on this forum already know how to fix an overbite at home. The appliance just forces you to permajut until your teeth match. Jutting, hardmewing, and maybe facepulling would've done the job. For any overbitecels, obviously be caerful and do your research, but you can literally jut and hardmew, and maybe facepull your mandible or something, and it'll be fixed.

But then, instead of expanding my palate, they put some cucked thing at the top of my mouth that forcefully holds my first molars in place. And it reduces the effectiveness of mewing. So I can't thumbpull or do anything for almost a year and my palate is just held at 28mm :feelswhy:. And I'm getting braces too. I won't be done with this treatment until I graduate high school. At least that's what I need for straight teeth, so that's fine, but I literally NEED a wider maxilla. So I'm just stuck with a narrow palate, bad airway, no cheekbones, and poor under-eye support. The braces will probably tilt my teeth out, but I doubt I'm seeing any authentic facial changes. Pretty sure I got SCAMMED. To anyone with a narrow palate, thumbpull and regularly push your tongue on the sides of your palate as hard as you can to expand it, or just order a custom orthotropic expander that works on back palate mostly.

I'm 16. Instead, if I spent 1 year at home fixing my overbite and expanding my palate on my own, I could've first fixed my bones and now I'm good-looking at 17 and it's all good. My teeth would be just a little crooked, and I'll get Invisalign. I just never realized you can DIY and how effective it is. I could literally have saving thousands of dollars and having a better life.

My point is, orthodontics is never about aesthetics, and it's SINGULAR purpose is straightening the teeth. Correct treatment is CRUCIAL to aesthetics, and DIY will give way better results. If you have a narrow palate or an overbite, try to DIY at home. You can make structural changes, but you can't straighten your teeth at home though, so get braces or Invisalign. Obviously, do your research and don't blindly trust, but it's possible to achieve results, just don't be an idiot and bonesmash your chin or cheekbones backwards or something like that. But you can fix any structural problem at home, just not regular crooked teeth. And obviously if it's just crooked teeth, any dentist or orthodontist can easily fix it.

It now seems like I will be losing my teen years, and I'll never get to really "experience" them much. I'm going to literally have to wait until post-graduation just to be able to finally expand my palate. And finally in college I'll make it.

TL;DR - Don't get orthodontics unless it's just normal crooked teeth. You can fix any facial structure problems far more effectively at home. You save money and it's low-risk. The "just bonesmash" people on this forum are probably giving you better advice than someone telling you to go visit an orthodontist and get it treated.
28mm palate is beyond brutal, mine is almost double that
 
All my teen years just gone GGs never getting these years back :lul: :feelswhy:
Hope nobody else has to experience this just do your stuff at home trust
yep never getting those experiences , oppurtunities , people at that time ever again. thanks camo ortho!
 
yep never getting those experiences , oppurtunities , people at that time ever again. thanks camo ortho!
Damn did you get extractions. I'm going to get an expander now. I'm such a late bloomer mouthbreathing just ruined my teen years from me. I had to wait until now just for any treatment.
 
so orthotropic treatment at 16 is viable to correct a deepbite is what ur saying?
 

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