,,muuhh thumbpulling,, cope dumbass

[Alex_notmogging]

This is only for the retarded ass people on this site who still believe in thumbpulling.

Have u ever thought about how much force ur thumbs can generate and how much u need to pull the sature aside ? No ? NO ?

Let me help u rq . thumbs can generate around 50-100 newtons of force, but this force is neither constant nor precisely directed at the midpalatal suture.

In palatal expansion, devices like rapid maxillary expanders apply 50–200 newtons of continuous ( CONTINUOUS ) , highly focused force directly to the bone through anchors.

Thumb pressure is absorbed by soft tissue, spreads over a wide area, and loses effectiveness through poor leverage. Have u thought about that sherlock ?


Bone remodeling requires sustained mechanical stress over hours or days ( hopefullyu u saw the short 3 words of ,, hours or days), not short ,, Uggghhh i need to pull ,, manual pressure.

thumbpulling cannot deliver the controlled biomechanical load necessary to separate or stimulate skeletal expansion.

If u genuilly think thumbpulling is gonna help u , let me just tell me something... it wont do shit

Have a nice day

 

[TheOsei]

Larp the pressure from MSE isn't even constant, it's just a few hours of pressure after u twist the screw followed by the device holding the palate in that expanded position. You can replicate the same with thumb pulling doing it 5 minutes every hours, with proper mewing acting as the device holding the expansion in place.

 

[Alex_notmogging]

Larp the pressure from MSE isn't even constant, it's just a few hours of pressure after u twist the screw followed by the device holding the palate in that expanded position. You can replicate the same with thumb pulling doing it 5 minutes every hours, with proper mewing acting as the device holding the expansion in place.

Congratulations son , ur officially one of the retarded people

Btw big advice for u if ur still a grey , u should consider doing ur research before slandering around words that dont make sense

 

[TheOsei]

Congratulations son , ur officially one of the retarded people

Btw big advice for u if ur still a grey , u should consider doing ur research before slandering around words that dont make sense

then you simply don't understand how palatal expanders work if you actually think it's truly constant

 

[BaranPSL]

This is only for the retarded ass people on this site who still believe in thumbpulling.

Have u ever thought about how much force ur thumbs can generate and how much u need to pull the sature aside ? No ? NO ?

Let me help u rq . thumbs can generate around 50-100 newtons of force, but this force is neither constant nor precisely directed at the midpalatal suture.

In palatal expansion, devices like rapid maxillary expanders apply 50–200 newtons of continuous ( CONTINUOUS ) , highly focused force directly to the bone through anchors.

Thumb pressure is absorbed by soft tissue, spreads over a wide area, and loses effectiveness through poor leverage. Have u thought about that sherlock ?


Bone remodeling requires sustained mechanical stress over hours or days ( hopefullyu u saw the short 3 words of ,, hours or days), not short ,, Uggghhh i need to pull ,, manual pressure.

thumbpulling cannot deliver the controlled biomechanical load necessary to separate or stimulate skeletal expansion.

If u genuilly think thumbpulling is gonna help u , let me just tell me something... it wont do shit

Have a nice day

Now watch how greys will say "No it can work if you do it every hour constantly" jfl.

Needed this thread, deserved the rep.

 

[Alex_notmogging]

then you simply don't understand how palatal expanders work if you actually think it's truly constant

I wished u could get banned for being this dumb holy fuark

All u had to do is just do 1 minute of research , now get out of my thread if u are this disabled to do a bit of research

 

[BaranPSL]

then you simply don't understand how palatal expanders work if you actually think it's truly constant

Please stfu and make research. If you go against again I'll end up making a thread about how really Expanders work.

 

[Alex_notmogging]

Please stfu and make research. If you go against again I'll end up making a thread about how really Expanders work.

Dont think that needed because 98% on this site should know how Expanders work

 

[Orthognathic]

B-but Jester Patel said...

 

[Alex_notmogging]

B-but Jester Patel said...

I'll take it back if jester patel said its working

 

[ihatemySOST]

Although I personally don't care whether or not thumb pulling works, the arguments you've presented are pretty stupid, lol.

First, a single thumb cannot apply a force of approximately 75-150 newtons (it depends greatly on the individual).

Second, external force ≠ internal force on the bone. You seem so mentally retarded that you don't even know what microstrain is, which is what matters, not the amount of force applied. Recent studies show that 500-600 microstrain is sufficient to stimulate suture growth and separation, so there's no doubt that the force from the thumb is sufficient to generate this.

Third, rapid palatal expanders don't apply force directly to the suture; rather, it is transmitted through the teeth. They also don't apply a continuous force in the literal sense. It seems you haven't even done a single bit of research. When the screw is turned, a significant force is applied, but this force literally only lasts for 2-3 minutes, and the appliance remains in place. The expansion is held in place without applying additional force.

Fourth, the soft tissues won't absorb the force. Unless you're mentally retarded and do it incorrectly, that's your problem, not mine. You can put... Your thumbs are directly next to the suture, and all the force is transferred to the suture. If you're doing it wrong and claiming the force is being absorbed by the soft tissues, then you're the mentally retarded person doing it wrong. That's your problem, not mine. Understand?

Fifth, it can provide. To expand a suture, you need two things: cyclic force and sufficient microstrain, and a thumb can meet both requirements.

Sixth, there's a big difference between bone remodeling and bone modeling ! And bone modeling, you retard! Bone remodeling is the absorption of pre-existing bone and the addition of new bone tissue to replace it without changing the shape of the bone, while bone modeling that changes the shape of the bone, you're wrong again! Cyclic force is much more effective for bone modeling because it maintains receptor sensitivity and keeps the interstitial fluid flowing, which activates the gene expression of the genes responsible for suture expansion much more efficiently. All recent animal studies have shown that cyclic loading is much more effective for suture formation than continuous loading, even when using low force. Even ten minutes of cyclic force was enough to induce noticeable suture growthand clear bone separation.



JFL at u

 

[Alex_notmogging]

Although I personally don't care whether or not thumb pulling works, the arguments you've presented are pretty stupid, lol.

First, a single thumb cannot apply a force of approximately 75-150 newtons (it depends greatly on the individual).

Second, external force ≠ internal force on the bone. You seem so mentally retarded that you don't even know what microstrain is, which is what matters, not the amount of force applied. Recent studies show that 500-600 microstrain is sufficient to stimulate suture growth and separation, so there's no doubt that the force from the thumb is sufficient to generate this.

Third, rapid palatal expanders don't apply force directly to the suture; rather, it is transmitted through the teeth. They also don't apply a continuous force in the literal sense. It seems you haven't even done a single bit of research. When the screw is turned, a significant force is applied, but this force literally only lasts for 2-3 minutes, and the appliance remains in place. The expansion is held in place without applying additional force.

Fourth, the soft tissues won't absorb the force. Unless you're mentally retarded and do it incorrectly, that's your problem, not mine. You can put... Your thumbs are directly next to the suture, and all the force is transferred to the suture. If you're doing it wrong and claiming the force is being absorbed by the soft tissues, then you're the mentally retarded person doing it wrong. That's your problem, not mine. Understand?

Fifth, it can provide. To expand a suture, you need two things: cyclic force and sufficient microstrain, and a thumb can meet both requirements.

Sixth, there's a big difference between bone remodeling and bone modeling ! And bone modeling, you retard! Bone remodeling is the absorption of pre-existing bone and the addition of new bone tissue to replace it without changing the shape of the bone, while bone modeling that changes the shape of the bone, you're wrong again! Cyclic force is much more effective for bone modeling because it maintains receptor sensitivity and keeps the interstitial fluid flowing, which activates the gene expression of the genes responsible for suture expansion much more efficiently. All recent animal studies have shown that cyclic loading is much more effective for suture formation than continuous loading, even when using low force. Even ten minutes of cyclic force was enough to induce noticeable suture growthand clear bone separation.



JFL at u

First of all , mirin the dedication to write so much

Still let me debunk rq of how much shit u said

Thumb pulling MAY generate noticeable external force, but effective sutural microstrain depends on anchored tensile loading, not surface compression G .

,, the thumb is stronger then u think saar,,
A thumb applies force through soft tissue without a fixed counterforce like i already said , so most energy dissipates in mucosa and palatal flexion rather than producing true tensile strain across the midpalatal suture

,, Muh force is only there for 3 minutes ,, Orthopedic expanders do not rely on raw force alone but on anchorage, vector control, and maintenance of displacement, which keeps the suture under mechanical tension even after peak force decays .

Cyclic loading is effective only when tensile strain is directed through a stable skeletal anchor ( which is NOT happeningwhile thumbpulling )

Without bilateral fixation, thumb pressure creates mainly elastic deformation, not distraction osteogenesis, and therefore cannot reliably induce sutural modeling or bone separation.

Conclusion for u in short terms dumbass and if u dont want to read evrything


1. Force without anchorage fails to generate effective sutural strain.

2. Thumb pressure causes compression, not true tensile bone distraction.

3. Expanders maintain displacement, enabling sustained biological remodeling response.

4. Cyclic loading only works with stable directional anchorage.

 

[ihatemySOST]

Although I personally don't care whether or not thumb dragging works, the arguments you've presented are pretty stupid, lol.

First, a single thumb cannot apply a force of approximately 75-150 newtons (it depends greatly on the individual).

Second, external force ≠ internal force on the bone. You seem so mentally retarded that you don't even know what microstrain is, which is what matters, not the amount of force applied. Recent studies show that 500-600 microstrain is sufficient to stimulate suture growth and separation, so there's no doubt that the force from the thumb is sufficient to generate this.

Third, rapid palatal expanders don't apply force directly to the suture; rather, it is transmitted through the teeth. They also don't apply a continuous force in the literal sense. It seems you haven't even done a single bit of research. When the screw is turned, a significant force is applied, but this force literally only lasts for 2-3 minutes, and the appliance remains in place. The expansion is held in place without applying additional force.

Fourth, the soft tissues won't absorb the force. Unless you're mentally retarded and do it incorrectly, that's your problem, not mine. You can put... Your thumbs are directly next to the suture, and all the force is transferred to the suture. If you're doing it wrong and claiming the force is being absorbed by the soft tissues, then you're the mentally retarded person doing it wrong. That's your problem, not mine. Understand?

Fifth, it can provide. To expand a suture, you need two things: cyclic force and sufficient microstrain, and a thumb can meet both requirements.

Sixth, there's a big difference between bone remodeling and bone modeling ! And bone modeling, you retard! Bone remodeling is the absorption of pre-existing bone and the addition of new bone tissue to replace it without changing the shape of the bone, while bone modeling that changes the shape of the bone, you're wrong again! Cyclic force is much more effective for bone modeling because it maintains receptor sensitivity and keeps the interstitial fluid flowing, which activates the gene expression of the genes responsible for suture expansion much more efficiently. All recent animal studies have shown that cyclic loading is much more effective for suture formation than continuous loading, even when using low force. Even ten minutes of cyclic force was enough to induce noticeable suture fusion and clear bone separation.



JFL at u

First of all , mirin the dedication to write so much

Still let me debunk rq of how much shit u said

Thumb pulling MAY generate noticeable external force, but effective sutural microstrain depends on anchored tensile loading, not surface compression G .

,, the thumb is stronger then u think saar,,
A thumb applies force through soft tissue without a fixed counterforce like i already said , so most energy dissipates in mucosa and palatal flexion rather than producing true tensile strain across the midpalatal suture

,, Muh force is only there for 3 minutes ,, Orthopedic expanders do not rely on raw force alone but on anchorage, vector control, and maintenance of displacement, which keeps the suture under mechanical tension even after peak force decays .

Cyclic loading is effective only when tensile strain is directed through a stable skeletal anchor ( which is NOT happeningwhile thumbpulling )

Without bilateral fixation, thumb pressure creates mainly elastic deformation, not distraction osteogenesis, and therefore cannot reliably induce sutural modeling or bone separation.

Conclusion for u in short terms dumbass and if u dont want to read evrything


1. Force without anchorage fails to generate effective sutural strain.

2. Thumb pressure causes compression, not true tensile bone distraction.

3. Expanders maintain displacement, enabling sustained biological remodeling response.

4. Cyclic loading only works with stable directional anchorage.

You idiot, what you're saying may be the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Are you idiot? Do you think soft tissues will magically absorb force? I told you, you can basically place your thumbs next to the palatal suture, so most of the force is directly transferred to the palate. Furthermore, rapid palatal expanders literally work by transferring force from the teeth. So, if transferring force from the teeth is effective, it doesn't make sense that direct application next to the suture is ineffective.

This is where you're starting to say stupid things and play around with language to sound smart. In this study, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12456317/, devices were used that applied a tensile force, transferring force indirectly through the teeth to the premaxilla sutures, periodically for ten minutes a day. Guess what? The suture expanded even with very little force, so this refutes your argument that "force should be applied to the suture continuously and be constant." Clearly, the force was not constant, and was only applied for ten minutes a day. Furthermore, I don't know what level of depravity you have reached. I don't know how your rotten brain concluded that pulling your midpalatal suture with your thumbs would apply a compressive force to the suture. I mean, just explain to me how your rotten brain concluded. Its stupidest thing i ever heard . Just tell me how you think pulling the suture apart would cause a compressive force. Just tell me how, bro You have already made ten points, and all of them are completely wrong. Before trying to refute the effectiveness of thumb pulling, I recommend that you at least do one search to understand what you are talking about instead of using chat gpt.

 

[ihatemySOST]

First, a single thumb cannot apply a force of approximately 75-150 newtons (it depends greatly on the individual).

I was mean thumb “ can apply “ sorry my bad

 

[gigacumster3000]

lmao bro u trip so hard on this shit stop larping rn ur just a sad normie cope that thumnapulling works go outside and get some sun jfl

 

[gigacumster3000]

lmfao thumbpulling is literally one of the most coped takes on this site. do you really think your thumbs are strong enough to cause any real changes? get a grip and go hit some weights instead.

 

[Alex_notmogging]

lmfao thumbpulling is literally one of the most coped takes on this site. do you really think your thumbs are strong enough to cause any real changes? get a grip and go hit some weights instead.

That what im saying , even if the thumbs have a power of 150 N its not gonna do much if u dont have a anchored Expanders

 

[Deleted member 208062]

water

 

[Alex_notmogging]

water

U wouldnt believe how many people still think it works, i even saw someone with 12k posts

 

[ihatemySOST]

U wouldnt believe how many people still think it works, i even saw someone with 12k posts

Reply to me , or u are scared?

 

[ihatemySOST]

lmfao thumbpulling is literally one of the most coped takes on this site. do you really think your thumbs are strong enough to cause any real changes? get a grip and go hit some weights instead.

Nice argument

 

[Alex_notmogging]

Reply to me , or u are scared?

,, me timmy tuff knuckless , are u scared ,,

1. No im not G i did my research to ur reply and u talked alot of garbage because the own study u used is STILL used with expanders which means anchors were used which distributes force completely differnt then ur fucking fingers which is basic law of physics.

2. 40% of ur reply were just curses to make u look cool

3. There are no single backed up studys to thumbpulling and its quite easy to debunk bcs u just have to do ur research and then compare to ur basic skeletal skull knowledge why tf it wont work dumbass

4. I mirin the dedication that u did ur research but most of the things weren't making sense even to the slightest

 

[ihatemySOST]

,, me timmy tuff knuckless , are u scared ,,

1. No im not G i did my research to ur reply and u talked alot of garbage because the own study u used is STILL used with expanders which means anchors were used which distributes force completely differnt then ur fucking fingers which is basic law of physics.

2. 40% of ur reply were just curses to make u look cool

3. There are no single backed up studys to thumbpulling and its quite easy to debunk bcs u just have to do ur research and then compare to ur basic skeletal skull knowledge why tf it wont work dumbass

4. I mirin the dedication that u did ur research but most of the things weren't making sense even to the slightest

Bro is that ur reply

 

[patbate2024]

This is only for the retarded ass people on this site who still believe in thumbpulling.

Have u ever thought about how much force ur thumbs can generate and how much u need to pull the sature aside ? No ? NO ?

Let me help u rq . thumbs can generate around 50-100 newtons of force, but this force is neither constant nor precisely directed at the midpalatal suture.

In palatal expansion, devices like rapid maxillary expanders apply 50–200 newtons of continuous ( CONTINUOUS ) , highly focused force directly to the bone through anchors.

Thumb pressure is absorbed by soft tissue, spreads over a wide area, and loses effectiveness through poor leverage. Have u thought about that sherlock ?


Bone remodeling requires sustained mechanical stress over hours or days ( hopefullyu u saw the short 3 words of ,, hours or days), not short ,, Uggghhh i need to pull ,, manual pressure.

thumbpulling cannot deliver the controlled biomechanical load necessary to separate or stimulate skeletal expansion.

If u genuilly think thumbpulling is gonna help u , let me just tell me something... it wont do shit

Have a nice day

Bro using emojis just shows you're the one COPING.

 

[Alex_notmogging]

Bro using emojis just shows you're the one COPING.

What kind of argument ist this hahaha , ur genuilly retarded if u believe in ts

 

[TheOsei]

Congratulations son , ur officially one of the retarded people

Btw big advice for u if ur still a grey , u should consider doing ur research before slandering around words that dont make sense

notice who got 5 reps.

 

[TheOsei]

,, me timmy tuff knuckless , are u scared ,,

1. No im not G i did my research to ur reply and u talked alot of garbage because the own study u used is STILL used with expanders which means anchors were used which distributes force completely differnt then ur fucking fingers which is basic law of physics.

2. 40% of ur reply were just curses to make u look cool

3. There are no single backed up studys to thumbpulling and its quite easy to debunk bcs u just have to do ur research and then compare to ur basic skeletal skull knowledge why tf it wont work dumbass

4. I mirin the dedication that u did ur research but most of the things weren't making sense even to the slightest

there are no backed up studies for a lot of shit we do bc it's new and companies aren't spending tens of thousands to test if DIY MSE for brokecels works