My beef with the entry level job market in tech

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Some time back, I and a few others in my company got this shady email from an agency. They were basically outsourcing Google Summer of Code (GSoC) projects before announcements of the repos happens at the end of February and were soliciting experienced developers to handle the core work on projects, promising a cut of the student's stipend in return.

The agency gets all of the cash while fake student gets the prestigious cert, and the real contributors get 0 . If you don't know what GSoC is it is Google's program where students undergrads contribute to open source orgs in summer. They release a list of companies and open repos and you contribute.


You get mentorship, real world experience, a stipend around $3-6K and a shiny resume booster. It's meant to launch careers for STUDENTS. That is the key word here for students says it right there in the front page

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It's not for people like me who have got years of open source commits and these people are pitting battle hardened devs against a 2nd/3rd students who wrote their first API last semester all for a few thousand dollars and those mentors somehow tell themselves they have some kind of 10x engineer prodigy in their hands who is unusually proficient submitting production grade stuff from day 1 while being unable to communicate any of it.

Actually this ties back to the entry level job market as a whole these days. When companies stop hiring juniors refusing to train people, everyone gets pushed into the same narrow funnel.

Anyone can learn how to code but it takes years of experience, seeing things break a dozen times in prod to build actual skills and expertise to be useful to company and solve real buisness problems and not just toy vibe coded stuff. These things don't materialize over night.

Even I was student. I'm in this position today because people took chances on me. I've mentioned it many times on the forum. Someone hired me when I had flaws, was willing to teach me, offer guidance, saw potential instead of demanding perfection and invested their time to work on me. That's how real engineers and professionals are made no body is born industry ready right out of uni. Not through certificates, not through shortcuts. Not beating them down like this.

Talent never appears fully formed it takes time and is grown with effort and hard work and until people start treating it as that all you are going to get is wasted potential being dismissed it's just competition bro.
 
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sometimes it's easy to mistake patience for waste of time
 
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Will read this better after I wake up. But ya the requirements for entry leve in tech (or like you mentioned, any job in general) nowadays is a meme. Niggas expecting 5-10+ years of exp for the most basic roles. How TF are juniors supposed to enter the workforce and grow :fuk:
 
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Some time back, I and a few others in my company got this shady email from an agency. They were basically outsourcing Google Summer of Code (GSoC) projects before announcements of the repos happens at the end of February and were soliciting experienced developers to handle the core work on projects, promising a cut of the student's stipend in return.

The agency gets all of the cash while fake student gets the prestigious cert, and the real contributors get 0 . If you don't know what GSoC is it is Google's program where students undergrads contribute to open source orgs in summer. They release a list of companies and open repos and you contribute.


You get mentorship, real world experience, a stipend around $3-6K and a shiny resume booster. It's meant to launch careers for STUDENTS. That is the key word here for students says it right there in the front page

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It's not for people like me who have got years of open source commits and these people are pitting battle hardened devs against a 2nd/3rd students who wrote their first API last semester all for a few thousand dollars and those mentors somehow tell themselves they have some kind of prodigy in their hands who is unusually proficient submitting production grade stuff from day 1 while being unable to communicate any of it.

Actually this ties back to the entry level job market as a whole these days. When companies stop hiring juniors refusing to train people, everyone gets pushed into the same narrow funnel.

Anyone can learn how to code but it takes years of experience, seeing things break a dozen times in prod to build actual skills and expertise to be useful to company and solve real buisness problems and not just toy vibe coded stuff. These things don't materialize over night.

Even I was student. I'm in this position today because people took chances on me. I've mentioned it many times on the forum. Someone hired me when I had flaws, was willing to teach me, offer guidance, saw potential instead of demanding perfection and invested their time to work on me. That's how real engineers and professionals are made no body is born industry ready right out of uni. Not through certificates, not through shortcuts. Not beating them down like this.

Talent never appears fully formed it takes time and is grown with effort and hard work and until people start treating it as that all you are going to get is wasted potential being dismissed it's just competition bro.
For most people their talent is hidden, for me, i didnt know i could learn to code so easily, i learnt it this year too.

"Wasted" potential isnt even cared for anymore, no pity, no empathy just a "what a loser", i was good at singing, acting compering etc. but i got distracted and took my time off the real world, i ended up wasting my time and i still regret it. People still have the same level of jealousy they had when i was at the top, its just that the jealousy turned into insults, maybe this all isnt for me, fuck it :hnghn:
 
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no tag no care
 
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Bro I didn't know what to type
then dont type at all
Some time back, I and a few others in my company got this shady email from an agency. They were basically outsourcing Google Summer of Code (GSoC) projects before announcements of the repos happens at the end of February and were soliciting experienced developers to handle the core work on projects, promising a cut of the student's stipend in return.

The agency gets all of the cash while fake student gets the prestigious cert, and the real contributors get 0 . If you don't know what GSoC is it is Google's program where students undergrads contribute to open source orgs in summer. They release a list of companies and open repos and you contribute.


You get mentorship, real world experience, a stipend around $3-6K and a shiny resume booster. It's meant to launch careers for STUDENTS. That is the key word here for students says it right there in the front page

View attachment 4624022

It's not for people like me who have got years of open source commits and these people are pitting battle hardened devs against a 2nd/3rd students who wrote their first API last semester all for a few thousand dollars and those mentors somehow tell themselves they have some kind of prodigy in their hands who is unusually proficient submitting production grade stuff from day 1 while being unable to communicate any of it.

Actually this ties back to the entry level job market as a whole these days. When companies stop hiring juniors refusing to train people, everyone gets pushed into the same narrow funnel.

Anyone can learn how to code but it takes years of experience, seeing things break a dozen times in prod to build actual skills and expertise to be useful to company and solve real buisness problems and not just toy vibe coded stuff. These things don't materialize over night.

Even I was student. I'm in this position today because people took chances on me. I've mentioned it many times on the forum. Someone hired me when I had flaws, was willing to teach me, offer guidance, saw potential instead of demanding perfection and invested their time to work on me. That's how real engineers and professionals are made no body is born industry ready right out of uni. Not through certificates, not through shortcuts. Not beating them down like this.

Talent never appears fully formed it takes time and is grown with effort and hard work and until people start treating it as that all you are going to get is wasted potential being dismissed it's just competition bro.
This type of behavior will obviously never stop
because the people doing the hiring are the ones benefiting the most out of this situation​
 
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your comment about the job market and experience was accurate

lots of companies asking for years of experience for just entry level jobs and entry level pay
 
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I don't know anyone in Europe who has experienced something similar. Does this only happen in America?
 
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For most people their talent is hidden, for me, i didnt know i could learn to code so easily, i learnt it this year too.

"Wasted" potential isnt even cared for anymore, no pity, no empathy just a "what a loser", i was good at singing, acting compering etc. but i got distracted and took my time off the real world, i ended up wasting my time and i still regret it. People still have the same level of jealousy they had when i was at the top, its just that the jealousy turned into insults, maybe this all isnt for me, fuck it :hnghn:
People will find reasons to dislike you regardless
 
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Getting the first job is always the hardest because you don't have 'experience', many ways around it but it's a lot more hurdles to climb over than the traditional employer trains you pathway. I feel for the recent graduates.
 
Considering an MBA or getting a MSCS. Im in my early 20s and making 1500 gross a week (california taxes though) but it's not in tech and i hate everyone. Brutal market
 

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