My CBCT scans (requested)

[tweaqo]

This is in response to my other thread where I consulted with Pagnoni, and he gave me a plan:

Just spoke with Pagnoni

So I just had a consultation with Dr Pagnoni, with CBCT scans. Before he had the CBCT scans, he recommended I just get genioplasty alone, but after he saw my skull, he changed the plan. He said I have extremely mild maxillary recession (to the point it’s not noticeable due to my soft tissue...

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Users who wanted to see the scans:

@ijazal
@LEFORT17
@aids
@lurking truecel
@lowiqcel__.

 

[lurking truecel]

Looks good

 

[ijazal]

mY bad, im lowkey grey, but are the last 3 models accurate depictions of ur face and side profile? as in, is the soft tissue modeled accurately?

 

[tweaqo]

mY bad, im lowkey grey, but are the last 3 models accurate depictions of ur face and side profile? as in, is the soft tissue modeled accurately?

Yes these are highly accurate of my soft tissue.

On this program I can even very accurately measure how many mm everything on my face is

 

[ijazal]

Yes these are highly accurate of my soft tissue.

On this program I can even very accurately measure how many mm everything on my face is

Ah ok. Imo if you get bimax make sure he advances lower maxilla a little as i can see slight recession at the lefort 1 region but mid and upper maxilla are projected

 

[lurking truecel]

Yes these are highly accurate of my soft tissue.

On this program I can even very accurately measure how many mm everything on my face is

What the bigonion width in mm ?

 

[LEFORT17]

This is in response to my other thread where I consulted with Pagnoni, and he gave me a plan:

Just spoke with Pagnoni

So I just had a consultation with Dr Pagnoni, with CBCT scans. Before he had the CBCT scans, he recommended I just get genioplasty alone, but after he saw my skull, he changed the plan. He said I have extremely mild maxillary recession (to the point it’s not noticeable due to my soft tissue...

looksmax.org

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Users who wanted to see the scans:

@ijazal
@LEFORT17
@aids
@lurking truecel
@lowiqcel__.

dont waste your money on bimax

 

[tweaqo]

What the bigonion width in mm ?

I’ll measure and get back to you when I’m home

dont waste your money on bimax

noted.

 

[tweaqo]

What the bigonion width in mm ?

From gonion to gonion, not including soft tissue it’s about 94mm


But including soft tissue (you can’t really see it from my pic, but I can on my rendering) it’s about 104mm

 

[Joe7]

dont waste your money on bimax

Why ?

 

[LEFORT17]

Why ?

not worth in his case little to nothing movement on the upper jaw.

 

[AustrianMogger]

This is in response to my other thread where I consulted with Pagnoni, and he gave me a plan:

Just spoke with Pagnoni

So I just had a consultation with Dr Pagnoni, with CBCT scans. Before he had the CBCT scans, he recommended I just get genioplasty alone, but after he saw my skull, he changed the plan. He said I have extremely mild maxillary recession (to the point it’s not noticeable due to my soft tissue...

looksmax.org

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Users who wanted to see the scans:

@ijazal
@LEFORT17
@aids
@lurking truecel
@lowiqcel__.

Bimax and implants

 

[NoaA99]

From gonion to gonion, not including soft tissue it’s about 94mm
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But including soft tissue (you can’t really see it from my pic, but I can on my rendering) it’s about 104mm
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That is slightly below average, but your general shape and gonial angle carry. Great ramus in particular.

 

[AustrianMogger]

not worth in his case little to nothing movement on the upper jaw.

Cope

 

[LEFORT17]

Cope

1-2mm lf1 33k

 

[AustrianMogger]

1-2mm lf1 33k

Should go to different surgeon

 

[tweaqo]

That is slightly below average, but your general shape and gonial angle carry. Great ramus in particular.

Yeah my gonial angle and ramus are very good. My ramus is considerably above average height, so if I do eventually fix the rest of my jaw failos, my jaw could look really good.

I will need a downgrafting of my chin, in order to avoid witch chin when advancing forward tho.

Although I’m interested in what Ramieri thinks, will update after our consultation.

1-2mm lf1 33k

Yeah I already explained Pagnoni’s reasoning behind it.

 

[LEFORT17]

Yeah I already explained Pagnoni’s reasoning behind it.

do you personally want a bimax?

 

[tweaqo]

do you personally want a bimax?

Yes and no, I only want the Lefort 1 movement in order to create space to be able to move my lower jaw forward, I just want anything that will make me look best.

My maxilla looks pretty good tbh, but genio alone might look weird idk

 

[LEFORT17]

Yes and no, I only want the Lefort 1 movement in order to create space to be able to move my lower jaw forward, I just want anything that will make me look best.

My maxilla looks pretty good tbh, but genio alone might look weird idk

i mean its all up to you my g. consider what surgery you get and if the money is worth it

 

[tit]

This is in response to my other thread where I consulted with Pagnoni, and he gave me a plan:

Just spoke with Pagnoni

So I just had a consultation with Dr Pagnoni, with CBCT scans. Before he had the CBCT scans, he recommended I just get genioplasty alone, but after he saw my skull, he changed the plan. He said I have extremely mild maxillary recession (to the point it’s not noticeable due to my soft tissue...

looksmax.org

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Users who wanted to see the scans:

@ijazal
@LEFORT17
@aids
@lurking truecel
@lowiqcel__.

Jon Doe ah skull

 

[tit]

This is in response to my other thread where I consulted with Pagnoni, and he gave me a plan:

Just spoke with Pagnoni

So I just had a consultation with Dr Pagnoni, with CBCT scans. Before he had the CBCT scans, he recommended I just get genioplasty alone, but after he saw my skull, he changed the plan. He said I have extremely mild maxillary recession (to the point it’s not noticeable due to my soft tissue...

looksmax.org

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Users who wanted to see the scans:

@ijazal
@LEFORT17
@aids
@lurking truecel
@lowiqcel__.

Is that you in avi?

 

[NoaA99]

Yeah my gonial angle and ramus are very good. My ramus is considerably above average height, so if I do eventually fix the rest of my jaw failos, my jaw could look really good.

I will need a downgrafting of my chin, in order to avoid witch chin when advancing forward tho.

Although I’m interested in what Ramieri thinks, will update after our consultation.

Yeah I already explained Pagnoni’s reasoning behind it.

Your jaw is fine and it suits your rather narrow skull.
Your gonion’s definitely aren’t inward, but also not significantly flared.
Again, it appears to look fine, mainly due to your large and straight ramus.
I have no idea, why he’d want to widen it?
It doesn’t appear to be lacking at all.

1-2mm of movement is laughable.
So you seriously want to pay tens of thousands of dollars for a marginal difference?
If you have no class 3 occlusion, or significant recession in both jaws, Bimax won’t ascend you.

 

[Devon]

This is in response to my other thread where I consulted with Pagnoni, and he gave me a plan:

Just spoke with Pagnoni

So I just had a consultation with Dr Pagnoni, with CBCT scans. Before he had the CBCT scans, he recommended I just get genioplasty alone, but after he saw my skull, he changed the plan. He said I have extremely mild maxillary recession (to the point it’s not noticeable due to my soft tissue...

looksmax.org

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Users who wanted to see the scans:

@ijazal
@LEFORT17
@aids
@lurking truecel
@lowiqcel__.

Cantho gonna do nothing it’s clearly an orbital problem

 

[tweaqo]

Is that you in avi?

Yes, it’s a filter that clears skin tho, giga fraud.

 

[Weed]

 

[Xx_gloomy_bison_xX]

I agree you have extremely unnoticable level of edge-to-edge bite but your tissue etc frauds forward growth. You don't need bimax at all a conservative genio would be good

 

[kingofkings]

Maxilla looks well positioned. Mid face isn't flat. If there's any retrusion it's mild. Mandible looks decent.

You're a good candidate for a chin wing.

 

[tweaqo]

Maxilla looks well positioned. Mid face isn't flat. If there's any retrusion it's mild. Mandible looks decent.

You're a good candidate for a chin wing.

Yeah I just morphed a chin wing osteotomy onto my soft tissue scan and it looks quite good, you got a chin wing right?

If so, can I dm u?

 

[kingofkings]

Yeah I just morphed a chin wing osteotomy onto my soft tissue scan and it looks quite good, you got a chin wing right?

If so, can I dm u?

Yes I did, yeah feel free to dm bro

 

[Don12456]

This is one of those situations where surgery is not worth it at all.

You have solid forward growth. Be happy lol.

 

[amaranthnanon]

Maxilla looks well positioned. Mid face isn't flat. If there's any retrusion it's mild. Mandible looks decent.

You're a good candidate for a chin wing.

actually sliding genio / mini wing will be enough, he has only slightly recessed chin. and rhinoplasty IMO

btw could you PM me? i'm not able to do it for some reason, would appreciate if you could clarify some my questions about CW, i'm about to perform it too

 

[kingofkings]

actually sliding genio / mini wing will be enough, he has only slightly recessed chin. and rhinoplasty IMO

btw could you PM me? i'm not able to do it for some reason, would appreciate if you could clarify some my questions about CW, i'm about to perform it too

Well, OP wants his gonions to pop out a little more (and I agree with him) which is why I suggested a chin wing. He just needs to make sure the surgeon doesn't drop it down lower at the back.

 

[tweaqo]

Well, OP wants his gonions to pop out a little more (and I agree with him) which is why I suggested a chin wing. He just needs to make sure the surgeon doesn't drop it down lower at the back.

Is the reason u say the chin wing shouldn’t lowe at the back because my gonial angle is already low and my ramus is already talk?

I actually think chin wing could be a possibility, never really considered it until now, would it be possible to have a genioplasty that widens the chin at the same time as doing the chin wing?

 

[kingofkings]

Is the reason u say the chin wing shouldn’t lowe at the back because my gonial angle is already low and my ramus is already talk?

I actually think chin wing could be a possibility, never really considered it until now, would it be possible to have a genioplasty that widens the chin at the same time as doing the chin wing?

Yes and yes