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In this guide I will literally show you step-by-step how to pull women consistently from night venues. This is not copy pasted and is my original work.
My laycount is 70+ at age 24 (srs). Most of these in the last 2 years.
Firstly, LMS matters (thats why you're on this forum right?) - Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to sell you confidence coaching or is just in bluepill denial. Maximise your LMS before even entering a nightclub, otherwise you are just wasting time and money.
The basic equation for nightgame pulling is here:
Maximise LMS X Go out more nights of the week X Approach more girls on those nights X Select venues that you do well in X Have good logistics (no further than 10 minus away from the club) X Learn game theory by reading and watching RSD videos X Doing all these things consistently over time
The reason this is an equation and not a list is that every single one of these actions is important, if you miss even one then you will fuck up your chances (e.g. not having good logistics or not approaching means its likely you won't get laid)
The Structure of the night
Going out alone vs going out with a wingman vs going out with a group of friends
lets get this out of the way, I have pulled the most and the hottest girls I have ever pulled by going out alone.
Most people on here probably feel extremely weird about going to a night venue alone, and would never dream about it. I highly recommend it. A group of friends is a distraction and will keep you occupied, whereas if you are alone, your 100% focus is on opening women, which is crucial to your success of course.
If you go out alone, you have to be prepared for the fact that the bouncer will likely say something to you about being alone, the bartenders (who are stone cold sober and can see everything might give you a funny look or two), and any girls you talk to will very likely ask if you are there alone. You have to be prepared for these things and simply own it when they ask. If you even seem insecure for half a second about it, then yes, being alone will be seen as weird. If you totally own it then they will just assume you're a cool guy out by himself.
People will believe what your body language and sub-communications reveal to them about you. Don't subcommunicate that you are insecure about being there alone.
Needing the security blanket of a large group of friends around you to go talk to women is actually pretty beta when you think about it.
An alternative is to find an experienced wingman who is simply just someone to stand next to in the club and talk to at the start of the night. But he needs to be independent and you should explain to him that you could bail at any time with a girl (and he could do the same to you).
Also ideally this wingman is subordinate or lower in status compared to you, for example your younger brother's friend or someone who works below you. The reason for this is that you instantly become the alpha and any girl that enters the vicinity will be able to pickup on this immediately.
its a little bit Machiavellian but it's like a cheat code to do this. Obviously you don't want to pick someone who is lower status than you because they are an autist, you want someone who doesn't look like a weirdo, but looks up to you and respects you. This will also set your frame as being higher status for the entire night.
Don't go out with guys that are cooler or higher status than you.
Time
The time you enter a club is very important.
As a general rule of thumb, girls come to clubs before guys.
There is a certain point in the night were things begin to go downhill, and the ratio of men to women gets fucked up.
You dont want to turn up to the club when the dancefloor is full of drunk guys and 'last call' women.
You must know the venues in your city. In some places the clubs close at like 2:30-3:00am, so people turn up earlier like 11or 12. In some places like Spain or the mediterranean, clubs stay open all night so people don't go out til like 2am.
If you turn up too early, and you are alone, the awkwardness is much worse as the place is just filling up and people are at their most sober. If you come too late you will be entering a sausage party and all the hot girls will be taken.
In my city clubs close at 3, so peak time for me to turn up is usually 12-12:30. The club is usually full, the ratio is still good, and people have had a few drinks by now. this is prime gaming hour.
Alcohol or not?
I don't care what anyone says, I drink when i go out to game, and I actually drink quite a lot.
I don't agree with PUA puritans that you should go out sober.
Im out to have fun (game is just entertainment to me, it's not a job), and alcohol enhances the fun.
It decreases the awkwardness of being there alone, and helps with approaching( i'm naturally quite high inhib).
Also if the girl finds out you're sober while she's had a few drinks, she may find that weird and predatory.
I don't recommend you get too drunk though as your game will fall apart.
The approach
I used to be spam approach (like RSD teaches) but then I realised this is just stupid. It's just a waste of time.
If the venue is well-lit and people can see everyone else, then I will make an effort to talk to more people ( guys and girls) so Im not seen as the weirdo scoping out his prey.
In more darker, club-like venues I am more of a sniper PUA and I usually only approach women who I have a moderate to high level of interest in. I don't feel the need to 'warm-up' with uggos and fatties. Actually it's probably better you aren't seen to talk to these girls at all.
I have very very simple openers:
"Hey, who are you?"
"Hey my name is _____"
Anything more than this just seems try-hard to me. For the love of god don't use a pickup line as your opener.
Also, realise that an approach may have totally failed simply because the girl wasn't looking to be approached at that exact moment. I generally avoid approaching girls that are 'doing' something, e.g. walking to the bathroom, checking in her coat, paying for a drink. This is because she is literally trying to do something and you are coming in an interrupting her and it is annoying. You can still approach girls that are doing something if you want but don't expect a high success rate.
I look for girls with open body language, drink in hand, that are looking around the room. These girls want to be approached. Get your ass there before some other dude swoops in. You will have high success rate if you open these girls at the right time, instead of interrupting them when they are doing something.
Remember that what you talk about has minimal at best importance. It's everything else that matters - body language, eye contact, your presence, your LMS, the time of night, her buying temp. etc. Don't overthink your words. You can talk about the stupidest shit: 'Are you a dog or cat person?' is one of my most used conversations.
Escalation
The best way to escalate from the open to defining you two as a unit, is to get her to comply in moving position. I usually say, it's too loud here lets stand over here (this is total BS ), Im just getting her to agree to move with me. Even if we just move 10 feet away, she has still complied in coming with me.
Now it's gone from some guy whispering in her ear, to its now an 'us' and we are have a conversation together.
This also 'sets' you as the doer and someone who takes the lead, she is now 'set' as the follower. This is crucial.
Now you can begin physical escalation. I like to do something fun like BS palm reading or arm wrestling. This has broken the touch barrier and you can also move your body in close to hers.
Also you can escalate sexual tension through intense eye contact. Don't be afraid to stare at her deeply in the eyes once you have been talking for a while. If you do this too much at the start it can seem a bit weird though.
The eyes say it all. If you have true core confidence and self-belief (you should have after you have LMSmaxxed) she will be able to see this in your eyes.
You can escalate by push/pull. If you comes in to try touch you closer, don't be afraid to jump back as if you are disgusted, but then laugh and move into her space.
Also, I have had many, many girls pull back and see how I reacted. The best reaction is no reaction. If she walks away, act totally unfazed. I have fucked many girls who just walked away but then came back later when they saw I wasn't desperate. I know for sure that If I had chased I wouldn't have fucked them. Its quite a common test to judge your desperation level.
Closing
Closing is actually my strongest area, and my PUA friends know me for this.
Firstly, I make it a point to never, never ever at any point ask the girl 'would you like to come back to mine?'
Dont fucking do this.
Why?
You have put the girl on the spot. If she says flat-out yes, you have exposed her as a slut, which no woman wants to admit she is (they are though of course)
You have to subtly hint at her coming back to yours. I ask questions such as, what is her schedule like tomorrow, where does she live, where are her friends in the club.
when you ask these questions at 2:30 am she knows whats up.
you have displayed high social acuity because you have sub-communicated what you want and she can accept in a way that doesn't make her appear as a slut, which will raise her attraction to you.
Once you have the answers, you can gauge her interest. If you have already kissed her at this point, ask her where her cloakroom ticket is, take her hand and get her coat. Make sure she has said bye to her friends then walk out the door to a taxi to your house (which should be nearby as you have maximised logistics).
Cockblocking
Since I LMSmaxxed I have almost never had to deal with other guys trying to swoop in. They just assume you deserve her and don't even try.
Frames
Frames are something RSD taught me and they are one of the things that brought my game to the next level. They apply to all stages of the interaction.
A 'frame' can be defined as the underlying beliefs that dictate an interaction.
A teacher-student interaction is a frame because the dynamic is not something material, it exists only because both sides believe it to be true.
In a nightclub there is usually something called a 'frame war' because people generally don't know each other and frames are not very clear at all.
Therefore people clash about who is 'cooler' or higher status through testing each other's frames in interactions.
In general, the person with the strongest frame wins. Therefore you have to be indoctrinate yourself with the belief that you are high status and a high value male. Instead of trying to come up with the 'correct' response to all of her shit-tests on the spot, whatever she says simply bounces naturally off of your frame because you set it before you went out.
A person with a good frame about themselves does not think in the moment about witty responses or what to say that sounds coolest. They simply say what comes to mind first - because they really do believe that they are cool. It's basically being low inhib and high self-confidence.
My laycount is 70+ at age 24 (srs). Most of these in the last 2 years.
Firstly, LMS matters (thats why you're on this forum right?) - Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to sell you confidence coaching or is just in bluepill denial. Maximise your LMS before even entering a nightclub, otherwise you are just wasting time and money.
The basic equation for nightgame pulling is here:
Maximise LMS X Go out more nights of the week X Approach more girls on those nights X Select venues that you do well in X Have good logistics (no further than 10 minus away from the club) X Learn game theory by reading and watching RSD videos X Doing all these things consistently over time
The reason this is an equation and not a list is that every single one of these actions is important, if you miss even one then you will fuck up your chances (e.g. not having good logistics or not approaching means its likely you won't get laid)
The Structure of the night
Going out alone vs going out with a wingman vs going out with a group of friends
lets get this out of the way, I have pulled the most and the hottest girls I have ever pulled by going out alone.
Most people on here probably feel extremely weird about going to a night venue alone, and would never dream about it. I highly recommend it. A group of friends is a distraction and will keep you occupied, whereas if you are alone, your 100% focus is on opening women, which is crucial to your success of course.
If you go out alone, you have to be prepared for the fact that the bouncer will likely say something to you about being alone, the bartenders (who are stone cold sober and can see everything might give you a funny look or two), and any girls you talk to will very likely ask if you are there alone. You have to be prepared for these things and simply own it when they ask. If you even seem insecure for half a second about it, then yes, being alone will be seen as weird. If you totally own it then they will just assume you're a cool guy out by himself.
People will believe what your body language and sub-communications reveal to them about you. Don't subcommunicate that you are insecure about being there alone.
Needing the security blanket of a large group of friends around you to go talk to women is actually pretty beta when you think about it.
An alternative is to find an experienced wingman who is simply just someone to stand next to in the club and talk to at the start of the night. But he needs to be independent and you should explain to him that you could bail at any time with a girl (and he could do the same to you).
Also ideally this wingman is subordinate or lower in status compared to you, for example your younger brother's friend or someone who works below you. The reason for this is that you instantly become the alpha and any girl that enters the vicinity will be able to pickup on this immediately.
its a little bit Machiavellian but it's like a cheat code to do this. Obviously you don't want to pick someone who is lower status than you because they are an autist, you want someone who doesn't look like a weirdo, but looks up to you and respects you. This will also set your frame as being higher status for the entire night.
Don't go out with guys that are cooler or higher status than you.
Time
The time you enter a club is very important.
As a general rule of thumb, girls come to clubs before guys.
There is a certain point in the night were things begin to go downhill, and the ratio of men to women gets fucked up.
You dont want to turn up to the club when the dancefloor is full of drunk guys and 'last call' women.
You must know the venues in your city. In some places the clubs close at like 2:30-3:00am, so people turn up earlier like 11or 12. In some places like Spain or the mediterranean, clubs stay open all night so people don't go out til like 2am.
If you turn up too early, and you are alone, the awkwardness is much worse as the place is just filling up and people are at their most sober. If you come too late you will be entering a sausage party and all the hot girls will be taken.
In my city clubs close at 3, so peak time for me to turn up is usually 12-12:30. The club is usually full, the ratio is still good, and people have had a few drinks by now. this is prime gaming hour.
Alcohol or not?
I don't care what anyone says, I drink when i go out to game, and I actually drink quite a lot.
I don't agree with PUA puritans that you should go out sober.
Im out to have fun (game is just entertainment to me, it's not a job), and alcohol enhances the fun.
It decreases the awkwardness of being there alone, and helps with approaching( i'm naturally quite high inhib).
Also if the girl finds out you're sober while she's had a few drinks, she may find that weird and predatory.
I don't recommend you get too drunk though as your game will fall apart.
The approach
I used to be spam approach (like RSD teaches) but then I realised this is just stupid. It's just a waste of time.
If the venue is well-lit and people can see everyone else, then I will make an effort to talk to more people ( guys and girls) so Im not seen as the weirdo scoping out his prey.
In more darker, club-like venues I am more of a sniper PUA and I usually only approach women who I have a moderate to high level of interest in. I don't feel the need to 'warm-up' with uggos and fatties. Actually it's probably better you aren't seen to talk to these girls at all.
I have very very simple openers:
"Hey, who are you?"
"Hey my name is _____"
Anything more than this just seems try-hard to me. For the love of god don't use a pickup line as your opener.
Also, realise that an approach may have totally failed simply because the girl wasn't looking to be approached at that exact moment. I generally avoid approaching girls that are 'doing' something, e.g. walking to the bathroom, checking in her coat, paying for a drink. This is because she is literally trying to do something and you are coming in an interrupting her and it is annoying. You can still approach girls that are doing something if you want but don't expect a high success rate.
I look for girls with open body language, drink in hand, that are looking around the room. These girls want to be approached. Get your ass there before some other dude swoops in. You will have high success rate if you open these girls at the right time, instead of interrupting them when they are doing something.
Remember that what you talk about has minimal at best importance. It's everything else that matters - body language, eye contact, your presence, your LMS, the time of night, her buying temp. etc. Don't overthink your words. You can talk about the stupidest shit: 'Are you a dog or cat person?' is one of my most used conversations.
Escalation
The best way to escalate from the open to defining you two as a unit, is to get her to comply in moving position. I usually say, it's too loud here lets stand over here (this is total BS ), Im just getting her to agree to move with me. Even if we just move 10 feet away, she has still complied in coming with me.
Now it's gone from some guy whispering in her ear, to its now an 'us' and we are have a conversation together.
This also 'sets' you as the doer and someone who takes the lead, she is now 'set' as the follower. This is crucial.
Now you can begin physical escalation. I like to do something fun like BS palm reading or arm wrestling. This has broken the touch barrier and you can also move your body in close to hers.
Also you can escalate sexual tension through intense eye contact. Don't be afraid to stare at her deeply in the eyes once you have been talking for a while. If you do this too much at the start it can seem a bit weird though.
The eyes say it all. If you have true core confidence and self-belief (you should have after you have LMSmaxxed) she will be able to see this in your eyes.
You can escalate by push/pull. If you comes in to try touch you closer, don't be afraid to jump back as if you are disgusted, but then laugh and move into her space.
Also, I have had many, many girls pull back and see how I reacted. The best reaction is no reaction. If she walks away, act totally unfazed. I have fucked many girls who just walked away but then came back later when they saw I wasn't desperate. I know for sure that If I had chased I wouldn't have fucked them. Its quite a common test to judge your desperation level.
Closing
Closing is actually my strongest area, and my PUA friends know me for this.
Firstly, I make it a point to never, never ever at any point ask the girl 'would you like to come back to mine?'
Dont fucking do this.
Why?
You have put the girl on the spot. If she says flat-out yes, you have exposed her as a slut, which no woman wants to admit she is (they are though of course)
You have to subtly hint at her coming back to yours. I ask questions such as, what is her schedule like tomorrow, where does she live, where are her friends in the club.
when you ask these questions at 2:30 am she knows whats up.
you have displayed high social acuity because you have sub-communicated what you want and she can accept in a way that doesn't make her appear as a slut, which will raise her attraction to you.
Once you have the answers, you can gauge her interest. If you have already kissed her at this point, ask her where her cloakroom ticket is, take her hand and get her coat. Make sure she has said bye to her friends then walk out the door to a taxi to your house (which should be nearby as you have maximised logistics).
Cockblocking
Since I LMSmaxxed I have almost never had to deal with other guys trying to swoop in. They just assume you deserve her and don't even try.
Frames
Frames are something RSD taught me and they are one of the things that brought my game to the next level. They apply to all stages of the interaction.
A 'frame' can be defined as the underlying beliefs that dictate an interaction.
A teacher-student interaction is a frame because the dynamic is not something material, it exists only because both sides believe it to be true.
In a nightclub there is usually something called a 'frame war' because people generally don't know each other and frames are not very clear at all.
Therefore people clash about who is 'cooler' or higher status through testing each other's frames in interactions.
In general, the person with the strongest frame wins. Therefore you have to be indoctrinate yourself with the belief that you are high status and a high value male. Instead of trying to come up with the 'correct' response to all of her shit-tests on the spot, whatever she says simply bounces naturally off of your frame because you set it before you went out.
A person with a good frame about themselves does not think in the moment about witty responses or what to say that sounds coolest. They simply say what comes to mind first - because they really do believe that they are cool. It's basically being low inhib and high self-confidence.
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