My Palatal Expansion and Dental Alignment Plan to be an optimal maxillofacial development mogger:

[endlessrequiem]

After researching for a while on palatal expansion and its impact on facial aesthetics, I decided to follow a progressive approach to obtain maximum improvement in both transverse (width-wise) and sagittal (forward) maxillary skeletal expansion. I am sharing my plan for feedback, critique, and to perhaps help others who are considering something similar. The plan is divided into three appliances:

Step 1: Rapid Expansion with RPE (Rapid Palatal Expander)

I will start with an RPE, which is a rapid palatal expander. This type of expander opens the palatal suture, allowing the maxilla to expand transversely (side to side) and creating new bone in the mid-palate. The idea is that by expanding the upper jaw, you will achieve better facial dimorphism, more space in the dental arch, better nasal breathing (apparently the difference is very big). The goal of this is to have a mogger smile like Tom Welling apart from highlighting my features like my zygomatic arch (I have good genetics in that aspect, all the width of my face is due to my cheekbones) apparently it also influences the eye area for the better and can widen the nose, which worries me.

The plan that I will use as a guide will be the one that the website itself says:
The RPE appliance must be used all the time, generally for approximately 3 to 6 months. During the first 2 to 4 weeks, which would be about 1.5 cm to 2 cm, a fucking madness, it is adjusted to widen the upper jaw bone. In the remaining months, new bone will be allowed to fill the space under the gum between the two halves of the upper jaw.

Problems, They cause an opening in my front incisors, in my case, it will make them worse because I already have a small gap, which will give me a brutal redneck smile, I will no longer be able to smile in family photos. Suffer now, mog later.


Step 2: Dental arch expansion and forward growth with a Sagittal Expander

Once I finish the rapid expansion phase, which is the phase where I will have the most serious skeletal expansion and the new bone has consolidated, I plan to use a sagittal expander. This type of device not only allows for purely dental arch expansion, which I need because it is brutal that my left dental arch is outward and visible while the right one is inward and makes it look like I have an even narrower palate, but it also helps push the upper jaw forward, which is obviously key for facial aesthetics, in the case that my nose is affected by becoming wider with the expansion, the forward growth of the maxilla could help.

The bad thing still is that this will make my smile even worse, making me have gaps between my canines and molars, I will have the smile of a third world modern diet consumer.


Step 3: Using Miobraces to Align Teeth and Correct Bite

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After expansion and maxillary advancement, the last phase will be using Miobraces to correct dental alignment and the brutal gaps left by the expanders. Miobraces (although I will rather use super-cheap replicas) are basically fairly non-invasive orthodontic devices that work with the orofacial muscles to improve posture and correct the position of the teeth. They are divided into 3 phases:

Soft Stage (Stage 1): This is where it starts. The silicone replica is soft and flexible, and is designed to gently encourage proper tongue posture while sleeping. It helps keep the tongue on the palate, which is vital for proper oral development. It also promotes breathing through the nose, which is much healthier than breathing through the mouth. This stage is about getting the body used to the correct position without causing too much pressure or discomfort.

Intermediate Stage (Stage 2) – After you get used to the soft version, you move on to a firmer, slightly stiffer replica. This stage refines your tongue posture and works more directly on the alignment of your teeth. The replica begins to put more pressure on your teeth, helping to slowly move them into a more aligned position. It also continues to encourage nasal breathing while you sleep, leading to better sleep quality and overall health.

Hard Stage (Stage 3) – This is the final stage, where the silicone replica becomes more rigid. This version focuses on final adjustments to your teeth and jaw alignment. It works more intensively to correct any misalignment of your teeth and further improve your jawline structure. At this stage, changes in your facial posture and teeth alignment are more noticeable.

In the event that this is not enough, I will use invasaling with a professional because they are generally very tedious treatments, although I do not rule out buying it online either. Also if something goes wrong, I will obviously go to a professional.



With this I want to try to achieve a look similar to Chris Carmack:

Of course I know that I will never have that absolutely mogger skull, but it is a good reference of excellent maxillofacial development for those of us who genetically have a more compact face.

Combining all these applications with methods such as megadoses of vit c, as well as cranial release techniques I will have some results, I hope will be excellent. BTW, there are very interesting techniques regarding this last point, I am still investigating, but it seems to be more ifefuel.

Any questions or criticisms are welcome. Peace out.

 

[sarmatian]

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[endlessrequiem]

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Thank you

 

[AscensionMan98]

We always have to compare the bottom line with surgery

Effectiveness vs. Surgery (SARPE & MMA)​

Pros of Non-Surgical Expansion (RPE + Sagittal Expander + Miobrace)​

1. Less Invasive & Lower Risk: No surgical trauma, anesthesia, or post-op recovery.
2. Gradual Adaptation: Bone and soft tissue adapt slowly, potentially leading to a more natural outcome.
3. Potential for Functional Gains: If done properly, this method can improve breathing and tongue posture, which can support long-term maxillary stability.
4. Lower Cost: Even with professional oversight, it's generally cheaper than surgery.

Cons of Non-Surgical Expansion​

1. Limited Skeletal Changes in Adults: After puberty, the palatal suture is more fused, making skeletal expansion without surgery much harder. Many adults only achieve dental (not skeletal) expansion.
2. Unpredictable Forward Growth: While some forward expansion may occur with a sagittal expander, the amount is usually far less than what can be achieved with surgery.
3. Longer Treatment Time: Takes months to years, whereas surgery delivers instant structural changes.
4. Risk of Asymmetry & Bite Issues: Uncontrolled forces can create asymmetry, especially without professional guidance.

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Surgical Alternatives (SARPE & MMA)​

• SARPE (Surgically Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion)
  • Breaks the palatal suture to allow significant skeletal expansion, even in adults.
  • Much more effective for widening the maxilla compared to an RPE alone.
  • Recovery time: ~6 weeks.
• MMA (Maxillomandibular Advancement Surgery)
  • Advances the entire maxilla (and sometimes mandible), significantly improving forward growth, facial balance, and airway space.
  • More effective for people with severe retrusion or sleep apnea.
  • Recovery time: ~2-3 months, with swelling for up to a year.

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Which is More Effective?​

• If the goal is minor to moderate expansion & subtle forward growth, a non-surgical approach can work best for younger individuals or those with flexible sutures.
• If the goal is dramatic maxillary forward growth, significant expansion, or correcting retrusion, surgery (MMA or SARPE) is far superior.
• Many orthodontists use a combination—starting with an RPE and later opting for surgery if results are insufficient.

So basically if your not done with puberty this approach could work but after puberty your cooked, results are going to be limited and even if they show up their not going to be sufficient enough to get the look you want.

And puberty nobody knows how far it would go. I wouldn't go under the knife till like 20 but saving 20-35 k would take a few years. Abroad is cheaper but have to be careful of these surgeons that spend more money advertising then just keeping it to themselves.

 

[endlessrequiem]

We always have to compare the bottom line with surgery

Effectiveness vs. Surgery (SARPE & MMA)​

Pros of Non-Surgical Expansion (RPE + Sagittal Expander + Miobrace)​

1. Less Invasive & Lower Risk: No surgical trauma, anesthesia, or post-op recovery.
2. Gradual Adaptation: Bone and soft tissue adapt slowly, potentially leading to a more natural outcome.
3. Potential for Functional Gains: If done properly, this method can improve breathing and tongue posture, which can support long-term maxillary stability.
4. Lower Cost: Even with professional oversight, it's generally cheaper than surgery.

Cons of Non-Surgical Expansion​

1. Limited Skeletal Changes in Adults: After puberty, the palatal suture is more fused, making skeletal expansion without surgery much harder. Many adults only achieve dental (not skeletal) expansion.
2. Unpredictable Forward Growth: While some forward expansion may occur with a sagittal expander, the amount is usually far less than what can be achieved with surgery.
3. Longer Treatment Time: Takes months to years, whereas surgery delivers instant structural changes.
4. Risk of Asymmetry & Bite Issues: Uncontrolled forces can create asymmetry, especially without professional guidance.

---

Surgical Alternatives (SARPE & MMA)​

• SARPE (Surgically Assisted Rapid Palatal Expansion)
  • Breaks the palatal suture to allow significant skeletal expansion, even in adults.
  • Much more effective for widening the maxilla compared to an RPE alone.
  • Recovery time: ~6 weeks.
• MMA (Maxillomandibular Advancement Surgery)
  • Advances the entire maxilla (and sometimes mandible), significantly improving forward growth, facial balance, and airway space.
  • More effective for people with severe retrusion or sleep apnea.
  • Recovery time: ~2-3 months, with swelling for up to a year.

---

Which is More Effective?​

• If the goal is minor to moderate expansion & subtle forward growth, a non-surgical approach can work best for younger individuals or those with flexible sutures.
• If the goal is dramatic maxillary forward growth, significant expansion, or correcting retrusion, surgery (MMA or SARPE) is far superior.
• Many orthodontists use a combination—starting with an RPE and later opting for surgery if results are insufficient.

So basically if your not done with puberty this approach could work but after puberty your cooked, results are going to be limited and even if they show up their not going to be sufficient enough to get the look you want.

And puberty nobody knows how far it would go. I wouldn't go under the knife till like 20 but saving 20-35 k would take a few years. Abroad is cheaper but have to be careful of these surgeons that spend more money advertising then just keeping it to themselves.

Dnr