My Potential Looksmax Treatment - Without Orthodontist?

[Smart_Adam]

Ok, I'm nearly 28 and my goal is to achieve maxilla and mandible growth. If my browridge comes forward and nose slims down then that's an added bonus.

I'm thinking of purchasing upper and lower palatal expanders from www.bracesshop.com -

Active Plate (Schwarz)

The Schwarz expansion appliance is a removable expansion appliance that is often being used to create the needed space for relief of mild crowding or…

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To maximise results, I'm thinking of combining this with the Forwardontics Bow -

:: Forwardontics : BOW : First bimaxillary protraction mask without facial support. ::

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This, obviously, is without an orthodontist.

Is this crazy? Or could this work?

 

[Deleted member 5912]

mse is better expands entire palate by like 10mm

 

[Smart_Adam]

So something more like this?...

Palatal Expander (RPE)

RPE (sometimes called rapid maxillary expansion) is a technique used to widen (expand) the upper jaw (palate) when it is narrow. How does the RPE…

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My point is, is this safe to do without an orthodontist?

 

[Deleted member 1849]

No it's not.You have a tooth pulling device your occlusion will get fucked up and your teeth are gonna look terrible.

 

[Deleted member 5912]

No it's not.You have a tooth pulling device your occlusion will get fucked up and your teeth are gonna look terrible.

so face pullers destroy your teeth?

 

[Lorsss]

No it's not.You have a tooth pulling device your occlusion will get fucked up and your teeth are gonna look terrible.

As I said on incels.wiki/w/Facepulling , orthodontists have been using maxillary protraction on children for a century

 

[Deleted member 5912]

As I said on incels.wiki/w/Facepulling , orthodontists have been using maxillary protraction on children for a century

do face pullers ruin front teeth?
any side effects like AGGA appliance

 

[retard]

at your age if you use teeth as anchor youre just going to get a forward ridge like AGGA, go get mse and combine with bow if you want transverse + sagittal growth

 

[Deleted member 1849]

so face pullers destroy your teeth?

no the appliance will it's hooked onto the teeth.

 

[Lorsss]

do face pullers ruin front teeth?
any side effects like AGGA appliance

AGGA only pulls the front of the teeth arch
Facepulling aka maxillary protraction pulls the same area of a Lefort 1

 

[Deleted member 5912]

AGGA only pulls the front of the teeth arch
Facepulling aka maxillary protraction pulls the same area of a Lefort 1

doesn't it pull the whole maxilla
if thats the case Ill just get bimax for the same results

 

[Deleted member 1338]

It will not do shit. Just save for surgery.

 

[Lorsss]

doesn't it pull the whole maxilla
if thats the case Ill just get bimax for the same results

you don't say?
Lefort 1 does not mean advancing the whole maxilla

 

[Deleted member 5912]

you don't say?
Lefort 1 does not mean advancing the whole maxilla

I dont get what your saying

you don't say?
Lefort 1 does not mean advancing the whole maxilla

I thought face pulling pulls the whole area of a lefort 3

 

[Lorsss]

It will not do shit. Just save for surgery.

Bimax + genio PROs:

> predictable results
> requires 2 hours of surgical procedure
> can fix asymmetries
> can advance the chin

Bimax + genio CONs:

> the price starts from 8K

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Facepulling PROs:

> very cheap, Sandra Kahn BOW + DIY appliance costs 300 dollars

Facepulling CONs:

> very slow. It requires 17 months with a 0.5kg force wearing it for 14 hours a day to achieve a 1.7mm bimaxillary advancement
> unpredictable results
> in order to wear it 14 hours a day, you must renounce to your social life, feel constant pain in your palate and have your mouth always wet in saliva

 

[Deleted member 5912]

Bimax + genio PROs:

> predictable results
> requires 2 hours of surgical procedure
> can fix asymmetries
> can advance the chin

Bimax + genio CONs:

> the price starts from 8K

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Facepulling PROs:

> very cheap, Sandra Kahn BOW + DIY appliance costs 300 dollars

Facepulling CONs:

> very slow. It requires 17 months with a 0.5kg force wearing it for 14 hours a day to achieve a 1.7mm bimaxillary advancement
> unpredictable results
> in order to wear it 14 hours a day, you must renounce to your social life, feel constant pain in your palate and have your mouth always wet in saliva

can someone do mse+msdo to expand face volume
then do face pulling
after that you do bimax+genio
this is my plan so far what do you think?

 

[Romnel]

Lol I bought one of those back in the day, broke it in an accident but while it lasted I got about 5mm expansion and a nice lil bit of zygo width from wearing it at night, as well as mewing+chin tucking during the day.

If you get one remember that the mandible will take far longer to catch up so u gotta either turn it really slow (once or twice a week) or get a lower expander too.

Edit: didn't see that you said you were 28, I might have only gotten my zygo width because of wearing it at 17

 

[Deleted member 5912]

Lol I bought one of those back in the day, broke it in an accident but while it lasted I got about 5mm expansion and a nice lil bit of zygo width from wearing it at night, as well as mewing+chin tucking during the day.
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If you get one remember that the mandible will take far longer to catch up so u gotta either turn it really slow (once or twice a week) or get a lower expander too.

if you want to mse expand you also have to do something for the mandible to match upper jaw
like msdo or sfot

 

[Romnel]

if you want to mse expand you also have to do something for the mandible to match upper jaw
like msdo or sfot

Yeah that's true but wasn't aiming for a drastic IMW increase when I was using it tbh, I was a mew coper and bought it so that I had more space for my tongue.

 

[goat2x]

How the fuck do you know if it fits your arch?

 

[Lorsss]

can someone do mse+msdo to expand face volume
then do face pulling
after that you do bimax+genio
this is my plan so far what do you think?

after bimax you cannot do MSE because you have screws in your face which would stop any MSE lateral advancement

 

[Lorsss]

How the fuck do you know if it fits your arch?

this is how it works: you do a mold of your teeth yourself or with a dentist and then you ship the mold to them

 

[Deleted member 5912]

after bimax you cannot do MSE because you have screws in your face which would stop any MSE lateral advancement

yeah I know
im talking after I finish expanding with mse I do bimax+genio

 

[goat2x]

this is how it works: you do a mold of your teeth yourself or with a dentist and then you ship the mold to them

I actually need the lower arch expander
Cant do it alone it seems

 

[Smart_Adam]

Ok, so I think the most sensible option would be to have a consultation with my orthodontist after lockdown and go from there.

Seems like the safest option.

In the meantime, I wear Vivera retainers at night, which is normal after wearing Invisalign for 18 months.

What do you guys think of this - now that I've mastered correct tongue posture, chewing and swallowing, shall I cut off the backs of my Vivera's and only wear the front 4-6?

Will this allow expansion via mewing while keeping the front teeth in correct position???

 

[000]

mse is better expands entire palate by like 10mm

How much does it expand the skull from a frontal view?