My Thoughts on Hair Safe Steroid Cycles

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I have been pretty obsessed with this recently, as I have been leanmaxxing to 8-10% with the help of Rauwolscine. I plan on running RTT game so mogmaxxing and being as jacked as possible with my 6 foot frame is my end goal. However I am also prone to hair loss and am already on the big 3 (Fin, Min, and Nizoral). I started doing a lot of research and based on what I found Testosterone alone is relatively hair safe. When paired with a 5ar inhibitor like dutasteride you can blast your test through the roof (300-500 mg) while crushing your DHT and controlling your estrogen with an AI. Simple solution right? You get all the benefits of test, while inhibiting DHT!

WRONG!!

I was on a hairloss forum the other day bored and was just looking up anecdotal reports of people running Dutasteride or even adding Dut into their Big 3 regimens. And the weird thing I noticed was the a lot of people were noting that they lost more hair or regressed when they started Dutasteride compared to Finasteride. This led me to a MPMD video where he talks about how both Fin and Dut can increase testosterone but while Fin increases test by around 15%, Dut increases test by around 25%! And the thing is that Test can also cause hairloss, it isn't just DHT that can do this. In fact Derek from MPMD did an experiment where he ran Test alongside Dut putting his overall T level in a high normal range, not even a roid user range. And he still lost hair due to testosterone!




So this leads me to the conclusion that in order to run a cycle that is "hair safe" you have two options:

1. Run Test (200-300 mg) with Dutasteride AND a topical anti-androgen like RU-58841 that will provide protection from Testosterone on the scalp. This is the safest you can get on a Test only cylce. You can also add in MK-677/HGH because both of these compounds promote hair growth and have anabolic effects when paired with Test.

2. Run Deca only. Deca 5ar reduces to dhn which is far less androgenic than DHT. In order for this to work you need to stop running 5ar inhibitors like Fin/Dut so I would to get off fin while on the Deca cycle.


The conclusion is that there is NO COMPLETELY HAIR SAFE STEROID CYCLE. But by adding in Dut/RU we can make a test cycle MORE hair safe than it would be alone. Deca can also be hair safe but I would not want to run a Deca only cycle personally.
 
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So Dutasteride + a topical anti androgen like Ru to kill the scalp T could be a good solution
 
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Dutasteride + a topical anti androgen like Ru to kill the scalp T could be a good solution?
Yeah. The issue with just running Dut + Test is that Test can still attack hair follicles on the scalp so you need a topical anti-androgen like RU. And in this case you will need to run an AI as well because you are completely inhibiting 5ar which means that all that extra Test will want to aromatize into estrogen. So you need to keep your estrogen in check as well.
 
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Yeah. The issue with just running Dut + Test is that Test can still attack hair follicles on the scalp so you need a topical anti-androgen like RU. And in this case you will need to run an AI as well because you are completely inhibiting 5ar which means that all that extra Test will want to aromatize into estrogen. So you need to keep your estrogen in check as well.
It seems legit

I just wonder if there could be any sexual side effects due to nuking DHT with dutasteride (low libido, ED) or the high T will compensate for the low DHT
 
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It seems legit

I just wonder if there could be any sexual side effects due to nuking DHT with dutasteride (low libido, ED) or the high T will compensate for the low DHT
No absolutely not - Test will backfill all those pathways/functions of DHT. If anything you will have higher sex drive because your Test is through the roof. DHT is mostly a useless hormone after puberty, and as long as your Test is in the normal range, it will backfill any pathways that were controlled by DHT.
 
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Run Test (200-300 mg) with Dutasteride AND a topical anti-androgen like RU-58841
Is It possible to run more than 300 mg? Or that's the max to be safe
 
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So Dutasteride + a topical anti androgen like Ru to kill the scalp T could be a good solution
You will most likely only need RU for your blasts, when you cruise you can drop the RU and just run Dut alone because your test will go back to a normal range. I personally don't believe in "cycling test" because the goal is to keep your gains, and cycling is not as effective as cruising on TRT. So the goal is to get topical protection via RU during your blasts and just run Dut when you're cruising.
 
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Is It possible to run more than 300 mg? Or that's the max to be safe
I was wondering about this and it seems to be very dependent on how prone you are to hairloss and ALSO how sensitive your hair is to Test. I would say 400 is the MAX you should go to be safe, but I would personally not go above 300 mg on my blasts.
 
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dnrd. Can't take steroids without risking hair loss. Sorry but steroids are ccccopeeee
 
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I have been pretty obsessed with this recently, as I have been leanmaxxing to 8-10% with the help of Rauwolscine. I plan on running RTT game so mogmaxxing and being as jacked as possible with my 6 foot frame is my end goal. However I am also prone to hair loss and am already on the big 3 (Fin, Min, and Nizoral). I started doing a lot of research and based on what I found Testosterone alone is relatively hair safe. When paired with a 5ar inhibitor like dutasteride you can blast your test through the roof (300-500 mg) while crushing your DHT and controlling your estrogen with an AI. Simple solution right? You get all the benefits of test, while inhibiting DHT!

WRONG!!

I was on a hairloss forum the other day bored and was just looking up anecdotal reports of people running Dutasteride or even adding Dut into their Big 3 regimens. And the weird thing I noticed was the a lot of people were noting that they lost more hair or regressed when they started Dutasteride compared to Finasteride. This led me to a MPMD video where he talks about how both Fin and Dut can increase testosterone but while Fin increases test by around 15%, Dut increases test by around 25%! And the thing is that Test can also cause hairloss, it isn't just DHT that can do this. In fact Derek from MPMD did an experiment where he ran Test alongside Dut putting his overall T level in a high normal range, not even a roid user range. And he still lost hair due to testosterone!




So this leads me to the conclusion that in order to run a cycle that is "hair safe" you have two options:

1. Run Test (200-300 mg) with Dutasteride AND a topical anti-androgen like RU-58841 that will provide protection from Testosterone on the scalp. This is the safest you can get on a Test only cylce. You can also add in MK-677/HGH because both of these compounds promote hair growth and have anabolic effects when paired with Test.

2. Run Deca only. Deca 5ar reduces to dhn which is far less androgenic than DHT. In order for this to work you need to stop running 5ar inhibitors like Fin/Dut so I would to get off fin while on the Deca cycle.


The conclusion is that there is NO COMPLETELY HAIR SAFE STEROID CYCLE. But by adding in Dut/RU we can make a test cycle MORE hair safe than it would be alone. Deca can also be hair safe but I would not want to run a Deca only cycle personally.

one of my friends got deca dick from deca only.
 
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dnrd. Can't take steroids without risking hair loss. Sorry but steroids are ccccopeeee
Unironically the guy in your signature was running heavy cycles.
 
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Cope. He was natural with good genetics and consistency.
You are a complete retard if you think Steve Reeves was natty. This is common sense for anyone that has stepped in a gym before, which you probably haven't.

 
You are a complete retard if you think Steve Reeves was natty. This is common sense for anyone that has stepped in a gym before, which you probably haven't.
Seems like you know the difference between natty and roids. Tell me, is David Laid natty like he says??
 
Seems like you know the difference between natty and roids. Tell me, is David Laid natty like he says??
No he is not natty
 
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Fin isn't enough to counter 250mg test e7d?
What do you think about low dow Test, around TRT level + Turinabol?
 
You are a complete retard if you think Steve Reeves was natty. This is common sense for anyone that has stepped in a gym before, which you probably haven't.


J.F.L

I'm 6'1 83kg sub 15% BF with a 30 inch waist
Keep coping on your steroids gymcel.
 
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Fin isn't enough to counter 250mg test e7d?
What do you think about low dow Test, around TRT level + Turinabol?
You would still need to run a 5ar inhibitor on low dose test. And no fin only blocks 70% of DHT so you would need to run Dut + RU to be as safe as possible.
 
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J.F.L

I'm 6'1 83kg sub 15% BF with a 30 inch waist
Keep coping on your steroids gymcel.
If you had taken the time to read my post you would have realized that I am simply providing information on what is hair safe and what is not. Personally, I am happy with my natty physique and I plan on staying natty until I need TRT, when I'm older. I think the amount of money and health risk is not worth the additional 5-10 pounds of muscle I may be able to build with low doses of test. Over time I have refined my diet and programming to optimize what I can achieve natty so I plan to stay this way. And btw you're stats are in the natty range. I am 6' and got close to 200 pounds but I was around 15-20% body fat. Now I have dropped weight and am probably in the 12-13% range, continuing to cut until I hit around 10%. So my point is that you can build a GREAT physique natty but I am simply providing information on the pharmacology because I am genuinely interested in this stuff.
 
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If you had taken the time to read my post you would have realized that I am simply providing information on what is hair safe and what is not. Personally, I am happy with my natty physique and I plan on staying natty until I need TRT, when I'm older. I think the amount of money and health risk is not worth the additional 5-10 pounds of muscle I may be able to build with low doses of test. Over time I have refined my diet and programming to optimize what I can achieve natty so I plan to stay this way. And btw you're stats are in the natty range. I am 6' and got close to 200 pounds but I was around 15-20% body fat. Now I have dropped weight and am probably in the 12-13% range, continuing to cut until I hit around 10%. So my point is that you can build a GREAT physique natty but I am simply providing information on the pharmacology because I am genuinely interested in this stuff.
Yes ik my stats are in the natty range I've only trained 2 years JFL. Imagine training for 8-10 years with pure discipline and consistency. You could easily weigh 200+ pounds natural. I hate copers who put these supposed "limits" on how big you can be naturally just because they can't attain it.
 
Yes ik my stats are in the natty range I've only trained 2 years JFL. Imagine training for 8-10 years with pure discipline and consistency. You could easily weigh 200+ pounds natural. I hate copers who put these supposed "limits" on how big you can be naturally just because they can't attain it.
I think you can build a great physique natty, the only downside is that when you get <12% bodyfat you will start looking DYEL in clothes compared to guys on the sauce. And btw you build the majority of your muscle in the first 2 years of training so don't expect to make gains at a similar rate past the 2 year mark. My personal philosophy is to focus on getting as strong as possible on compound movements while maintaining a high protein diet and hitting each muscle 3x a week. So as long as you're in the 12-15% range you can look great as a natty. And yes many people are lazy and want a shorcut to get jacked.
 
I think you can build a great physique natty, the only downside is that when you get <12% bodyfat you will start looking DYEL in clothes compared to guys on the sauce. And btw you build the majority of your muscle in the first 2 years of training so don't expect to make gains at a similar rate past the 2 year mark. My personal philosophy is to focus on getting as strong as possible on compound movements while maintaining a high protein diet and hitting each muscle 3x a week. So as long as you're in the 12-15% range you can look great as a natty.

3x a week is cope I'm sorry. Your muscles cannot recover to train every bodypart 3x a week unless your intensity is awful. 1-2 times a week is plenty. Fuck, I can't even sit down for 3-4 days after I train legs, how the fuck can I train it 3x a week. Watch some Dorian man:forcedsmile:
 

3x a week is cope I'm sorry. Your muscles cannot recover to train every bodypart 3x a week unless your intensity is awful. 1-2 times a week is plenty. Fuck, I can't even sit down for 3-4 days after I train legs, how the fuck can I train it 3x a week. Watch some Dorian man:forcedsmile:
Do what you want, I'll do what works for me. I don't take advice from guys on roids like Dorian. Frequency>Volume as a natty. Also stop using the word cope, it's annoying.
 
Do what you want, I'll do what works for me. I don't take advice from guys on roids like Dorian. Frequency>Volume as a natty. Also stop using the word cope, it's annoying.
Cope. Dorian trained once a week each bodypart going against the whole "oh he can recover quicker cuz he's on steroids, bro!". Enjoy your jeff nippard programs COPE!
 
Yes ik my stats are in the natty range I've only trained 2 years JFL. Imagine training for 8-10 years with pure discipline and consistency. You could easily weigh 200+ pounds natural. I hate copers who put these supposed "limits" on how big you can be naturally just because they can't attain it.

most of the muscle gains are attained within the first couple of years. So after 8-10 years you will probably have roughly same muscle mass as you have now and only differences will be from changes in body composition (leanness) and emphasis on muscle groups to change how you look. If you are not content with how you look after 2 years, I have bad news for you
 
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Water but still presented well. I’m on fin, minox, and ru rn with nw1.5-2 at 21 years old. If I can be confident in my hair loss prevention down the line I’d consider hopping on. I genetically store a good deal of fat in my face so I need to be lean, but then I look small. No point getting big and lean on roids if I go bald.
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Here’s my current physique at 184 cm, 175 pounds
 
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Water but still presented well. I’m on fin, minox, and ru rn with nw1.5-2 at 21 years old. If I can be confident in my hair loss prevention down the line I’d consider hopping on. I genetically store a good deal of fat in my face so I need to be lean, but then I look small. No point getting big and lean on roids if I go bald.
View attachment 1134429Here’s my current physique at 184 cm, 175 pounds
tell me you are not using aas
 
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Because you would have an illegitimate AAS source in that case (snake oil). thats a natty physique
Yes natty and don’t lift much. I’ve got a brutal sleep disorder so I’m always tired. Basically built all my muscle in hs and ever since I’ll lift a few times a week off and on. A few months on here, a few months off there. Once my sleep is sorted I could definitely still make good progress natty, but roids would be cool down the line if I can keep my hair. Bimax first tho
 
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Cope. Dorian trained once a week each bodypart going against the whole "oh he can recover quicker cuz he's on steroids, bro!". Enjoy your jeff nippard programs COPE!
dorian was inspired by and modified mentzers programmes for muscle building, focused on true high intensity training. if I recall correctly he would not train for longer then an hour or 45 mins. i do believe roids/chemicals are the way forward though and to me training enhanced is so much more fun. intensity > volume/frequency
 
Did someone say safemoon???
 
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dorian was inspired by and modified mentzers programmes for muscle building, focused on true high intensity training. if I recall correctly he would not train for longer then an hour or 45 mins. i do believe roids/chemicals are the way forward though and to me training enhanced is so much more fun. intensity > volume/frequency
Roids is more fun because you get a better pump. I believe roids are absolutely not necessary and they just age you, cause balding and cause acne.
 
I have been pretty obsessed with this recently, as I have been leanmaxxing to 8-10% with the help of Rauwolscine. I plan on running RTT game so mogmaxxing and being as jacked as possible with my 6 foot frame is my end goal. However I am also prone to hair loss and am already on the big 3 (Fin, Min, and Nizoral). I started doing a lot of research and based on what I found Testosterone alone is relatively hair safe. When paired with a 5ar inhibitor like dutasteride you can blast your test through the roof (300-500 mg) while crushing your DHT and controlling your estrogen with an AI. Simple solution right? You get all the benefits of test, while inhibiting DHT!

WRONG!!

I was on a hairloss forum the other day bored and was just looking up anecdotal reports of people running Dutasteride or even adding Dut into their Big 3 regimens. And the weird thing I noticed was the a lot of people were noting that they lost more hair or regressed when they started Dutasteride compared to Finasteride. This led me to a MPMD video where he talks about how both Fin and Dut can increase testosterone but while Fin increases test by around 15%, Dut increases test by around 25%! And the thing is that Test can also cause hairloss, it isn't just DHT that can do this. In fact Derek from MPMD did an experiment where he ran Test alongside Dut putting his overall T level in a high normal range, not even a roid user range. And he still lost hair due to testosterone!




So this leads me to the conclusion that in order to run a cycle that is "hair safe" you have two options:

1. Run Test (200-300 mg) with Dutasteride AND a topical anti-androgen like RU-58841 that will provide protection from Testosterone on the scalp. This is the safest you can get on a Test only cylce. You can also add in MK-677/HGH because both of these compounds promote hair growth and have anabolic effects when paired with Test.

2. Run Deca only. Deca 5ar reduces to dhn which is far less androgenic than DHT. In order for this to work you need to stop running 5ar inhibitors like Fin/Dut so I would to get off fin while on the Deca cycle.


The conclusion is that there is NO COMPLETELY HAIR SAFE STEROID CYCLE. But by adding in Dut/RU we can make a test cycle MORE hair safe than it would be alone. Deca can also be hair safe but I would not want to run a Deca only cycle personally.

Just reading this absolutely insane post bhai good stuff.

I’m gonna do this in about a year or year and a half or so :forcedsmile:
 
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the thing with RU is it can get prettt pricey from what I have seen. ESPECIALLY if u find yourself needing to apply it everywhere on your scalp. This is where I think it’s important to experiment and be hyper aware: if u begin ur T cycle, u should closely examine the parts of your head that weren’t thinning for signs of thinning.

So if u were just receding hairline and did RU there only, u might find now that u gotta do it everywhere cuz the fin/dut isn’t enough for those follicles anymore.
 
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