Need some nutritionmaxxing advice (reply if you know what you're talking about)

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I've been trying to protein max lately and apparently soy chunks have high levels of protein, but i do know that soy lowers T, is it really a significant amount of loss or is it so small or how does it work? considering for my plan I might be taking 600g of it on the span of every 10 days for my dieting plan.
 
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Soy doesn't decrease testosterone significantly, it's kind of a mixed bag, vegans claim it has "zero effect on testosterone!!!" and uneducated people claim it's the antichrist of testosterone and that it will turn you into a woman, neither of these perspectives are right that's how you know they have zero idea what they're talking about and have not read any of the available research on the topic.

Phyestrogens DO lower testosterone, but the effect is so tiny that it is often considered statistically insignificant in the studies analyzing it, basically the science says it doesn't matter, and it is very obvious to see why. Phytoestrogens are massively different from mammalian estrogens, they have very low affinity for the estrogens receptors in our cells and if even when they do bind, they're so fundamentally different that they're incapable of triggering any estrogenic pathways.

A glass of milk for example DOES have mammalian estrogens are on top it is biologically active too, and in a higher quantity than anything you can find in soy. It is a massive double standard and just vegan bias to claim that "soy kills testosterone" and then yap about "muh raw milk" as if milk isn't x10 more estrogenic than soy :lul:

Eat your soy if you want to, it's not going to significantly alter your testosterone levels, I personally choose to avoid it though... because it tastes like ass.
 
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Soy doesn't decrease testosterone significantly, it's kind of a mixed bag, vegans neither of these perspectives are right that's how you know
What's better to drink?
Raw milk or boiled milk
 
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Soy doesn't decrease testosterone significantly, it's kind of a mixed bag, vegans claim it has "zero effect on testosterone!!!" and uneducated people claim it's the antichrist of testosterone and that it will turn you into a woman, neither of these perspectives are right that's how you know they have zero idea what they're talking about and have not read any of the available research on the topic.

Phyestrogens DO lower testosterone, but the effect is so tiny that it is often considered statistically insignificant in the studies analyzing it, basically the science says it doesn't matter, and it is very obvious to see why. Phytoestrogens are massively different from mammalian estrogens, they have very low affinity for the estrogens receptors in our cells and if even when they do bind, they're so fundamentally different that they're incapable of triggering any estrogenic pathways.

A glass of milk for example DOES have mammalian estrogens are on top it is biologically active too, and in a higher quantity than anything you can find in soy. It is a massive double standard and just vegan bias to claim that "soy kills testosterone" and then yap about "muh raw milk" as if milk isn't x10 more estrogenic than soy :lul:

Eat your soy if you want to, it's not going to significantly alter your testosterone levels, I personally choose to avoid it though... because it tastes like ass.
also, for the sake of correctness I wanna note a couple things:
  • Phytoestrogens can technically affect your hormonal levels significantly, but the dosage needed for that is simply absurd, so again, nothing to worry about.
  • The fact that milk is more estrogenic than soy, or estrogenic at all, means absolutely nothing. The estrogens may be mammalian and biologically active, but they're present in very tiny quantities, and just like with soy, there's no positive correlation between milk consumption and lower testosterone levels, so this doesn't really matter either.
  • Also note that yeah, soy chunks are high in protein, but if you look at their nutrition, it's basically nothing. Soy is not a very nutritionally dense food, so I don't recommend it provides most of your protein intake. Eggs, beef or other animal (or even plant) products provide protein as well, with the added bonus of micronutrients. Use soy as a tool, not foundation.
 
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What's better to drink?
Raw milk or boiled milk
Whichever you want, raw milk technically has better water-soluble nutrients that get destroyed during the cooking process (note that this destruction is partial and not total, pasteurized milk still has a lot of B vitamins, just reduced). But it is also absolutely true that raw milk can have bad pathogens that could give you a nasty case of diarrhea if you're unlucky enough, there's a reason why humans sinsce the medieval ages have been boiling their milk, it's not like pasteurization is a recent thing, it arose as a practice because of a reason.

IN MY OPINION, it doesn't matter. Choose whichever you prefer, if you want extra nutrition (which you can get from other places either way) then go for raw milk, but be very careful of sourcing and be prepared to accept whichever toilet fate you may be subjected to. I don't drink raw milk, I can get my B vitamins and vitamin C from 50 different sources other than raw milk, so the small but existing risk of food-related illness doesn't seem like a worthy trade to me.

But again, for the sake of correctness and being unbiased, very few people actually get any bad side effects from raw milk, cases exist, but it's often because of bad sourcing and very bad luck, but again, I'd rather not try my luck.
 
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Getting protein is easy bro just don't eat goyslop and buy good meat that you can afford
 
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