Needed supplement?

[addalinnerlight]

This is my current stack of supplements which should I add or Remove?

D3+k2 5000 UI d3 + unknown k2
MG 400
zinc 15
creatine 1,5g 2x a day
vitamin C
gelatine 40g
boron 3mg

and im planning on getting:
gluthaione
MSM
l arginie
l orthine
and ALA to support blood sugar

Thoughts ?

 

[Zeekie]

D3+K2, Magnesium and Creatine are a yes.

Zinc, vitamin C and boron are a no for me. You can get plenty of these micronutrients from a good diet, this should be your foundation. If your diet isn't getting you something as easy to get as vitamin C or zinc, then you have an issue to fix. Getting over the RDA (daily recommended allowance) will NOT yield better results, so if you're already getting enough of this from diet alone, then supplementing is pointless.

Gelatin is fine, though it depends on what for, gut support and inflammation reduction? It's fine.

About the ones you're considering...
Glutathione - Only useful if it's liposomal, and you use it for skin lightening effects, if you're just considering taking it for health benefits then save your money because if you're young your body is already making plenty of glutathione. Leave that to the longevity oldcels or people trying to be less dark.
MSM - Situational, functional, if you want to use it, go for it.
L-arginine - Situational, what you're using it for?
L-ornithine - Situational, what you're using it for?
ALA - Similar case to glutathione. But it's slightly more functional if you're younger, again absolutely not necessary.

If you have extra money to spend, you can add ALA and Glutathione, fix your diet and remove the unnecessary micronutrient supplements. The amino acids and glutathione depend on what you want to use them for.

 

[addalinnerlight]

D3+K2, Magnesium and Creatine are a yes.

Zinc, vitamin C and boron are a no for me. You can get plenty of these micronutrients from a good diet, this should be your foundation. If your diet isn't getting you something as easy to get as vitamin C or zinc, then you have an issue to fix. Getting over the RDA (daily recommended allowance) will NOT yield better results, so if you're already getting enough of this from diet alone, then supplementing is pointless.

Gelatin is fine, though it depends on what for, gut support and inflammation reduction? It's fine.

About the ones you're considering...
Glutathione - Only useful if it's liposomal, and you use it for skin lightening effects, if you're just considering taking it for health benefits then save your money because if you're young your body is already making plenty of glutathione. Leave that to the longevity oldcels or people trying to be less dark.
MSM - Situational, functional, if you want to use it, go for it.
L-arginine - Situational, what you're using it for.
L-ornithine - Situational, what you're using it for.
ALA - Similar case to glutathione. But it's slightly more functional if you're younger, again absolutely not necessary.

If you have extra money to spend, you can add ALA and Glutathione, fix your diet and remove the unnecessary micronutrient supplements. The amino acids and glutathione depend on what you want to use them for.

Why not boron? Essential supplement and I dont eat alot of boron Rich foods same with zinc. Vitamin c I understand but its pure collagen

 

[Zeekie]

Why not boron? Essential supplement and I dont eat alot of boron Rich foods same with zinc. Vitamin c I understand but its pure collagen

Why not boron? Well, let's be clear on something first, there's not an established RDA from boron, the research is inconclusive and contradicting, some studies say you need more, others say you need less per day. But typically the recommended intake of boron is 1mg a day, probably as much as 13 or 20mg. But if we're going on the assumption that the probable RDA for boron is 1mg, then half an avocado is already getting you 50% of your boron RDA. If you drink milk, eat broccoli, potatoes or leafy greens, then you're not deficient in boron.

I don't think anyone is allowed to have a zinc deficiency really, the RDA is 11mg/day for men. You can twice that amount with beef, eggs and other foods, basically just by eating a serving of beef (which is 3 oz, you probably eat twice that amount, hopefully) and you're already getting your 50% RDA for zinc.

I typically average 20 to 23mg of zinc daily without even thinking about.

Regarding vitamin C, it does boost collagen production, but as long as you're under 25 collagen should probably be the least of your priorities, your daily intake of vitamin C from other foods (like literally any fruit ever, one kiwi or half an orange are enough to get you way over that amount). Regardless, vitamin C is very important for collagen production, but if you want a more direct effect for whatever reason I'd stick to gelatin or collagen peptides and save my money on vitamin C.

 

[addalinnerlight]

Why not boron? Well, let's be clear on something first, there's not an established RDA from boron, the research is inconclusive and contradicting, some studies say you need more, others say you need less per day. But typically the recommended intake of boron is 1mg a day, probably as much as 13 or 20mg. But if we're going on the assumption that the probable RDA for boron is 1mg, then half an avocado is already getting you 50% of your boron RDA. If you drink milk, eat broccoli, potatoes or leafy greens, then you're not deficient in boron.

I don't think anyone is allowed to have a zinc deficiency really, the RDA is 11mg/day for men. You can twice that amount with beef, eggs and other foods, basically just by eating a serving of beef (which is 3 oz, you probably eat twice that amount, hopefully) and you're already getting your 50% RDA for zinc.
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I typically average 20 to 23mg of zinc daily without even thinking about.

Regarding vitamin C, it does boost collagen production, but as long as you're under 25 collagen should probably be the least of your priorities, your daily intake of vitamin C from other foods (like literally any fruit ever, one kiwi or half an orange are enough to get you way over that amount). Regardless, vitamin C is very important for collagen production, but if you want a more direct effect for whatever reason I'd stick to gelatin or collagen peptides and save my money on vitamin C.

Hmm alright Which supplements should I take then

 

[addalinnerlight]

D3+K2, Magnesium and Creatine are a yes.

Zinc, vitamin C and boron are a no for me. You can get plenty of these micronutrients from a good diet, this should be your foundation. If your diet isn't getting you something as easy to get as vitamin C or zinc, then you have an issue to fix. Getting over the RDA (daily recommended allowance) will NOT yield better results, so if you're already getting enough of this from diet alone, then supplementing is pointless.

Gelatin is fine, though it depends on what for, gut support and inflammation reduction? It's fine.

About the ones you're considering...
Glutathione - Only useful if it's liposomal, and you use it for skin lightening effects, if you're just considering taking it for health benefits then save your money because if you're young your body is already making plenty of glutathione. Leave that to the longevity oldcels or people trying to be less dark.
MSM - Situational, functional, if you want to use it, go for it.
L-arginine - Situational, what you're using it for?
L-ornithine - Situational, what you're using it for?
ALA - Similar case to glutathione. But it's slightly more functional if you're younger, again absolutely not necessary.

If you have extra money to spend, you can add ALA and Glutathione, fix your diet and remove the unnecessary micronutrient supplements. The amino acids and glutathione depend on what you want to use them for.

L argine and ornithine is for GH

 

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[Zeekie]

Hmm alright Which supplements should I take then

Start with the fundamentals: D3 with K2, magnesium, and creatine, which you're already taking. As for growth hormone, I was not aware that arginine had any effect. Maybe it does, but I have not heard of it. What I have seen mentioned more often are ornithine, Alpha GPC, GABA, and glutamine.

Still, we need to be honest. These supplements might increase growth hormone a little, but the effect is very small. They are not even close to something like MK-677 or actual HGH injections. If people are already debating whether MK-677 actually causes growth, then these natural supplements will do even less. The impact is tiny, almost negligible. It might not even be worth it.

Personally, I also take ashwagandha and potassium chloride. I understand the need to supplement everything trying to optimize everything, but that idea is an illusion, it's cope, you simply can't. Most supplements do not work at all according to the scientific literature, and the ones that do usually have very small effects. Supplements can help, but they will never be the key to major changes.

It is better to take a bare minimum approach to supplementation, especially to save your or your parents’ money. Focus on what actually makes a difference. Chances are you are not eating properly, not sleeping properly, and not having good habits. And I do not mean doing it right most of the time. I mean treating it like your life depends on it, almost religiously. Take it seriously enough that you feel like shit when you mess up. An obsessive approach to the basics of health and looks will take you further than any supplement ever could.

 

[addalinnerlight]

Start with the fundamentals: D3 with K2, magnesium, and creatine, which you're already taking. As for growth hormone, I was not aware that arginine had any effect. Maybe it does, but I have not heard of it. What I have seen mentioned more often are ornithine, Alpha GPC, GABA, and glutamine.

Still, we need to be honest. These supplements might increase growth hormone a little, but the effect is very small. They are not even close to something like MK-677 or actual HGH injections. If people are already debating whether MK-677 actually causes growth, then these natural supplements will do even less. The impact is tiny, almost negligible. It might not even be worth it.

Personally, I also take ashwagandha and potassium chloride. I understand the need to supplement everything trying to optimize everything, but that idea is an illusion, it's cope, you simply can't. Most supplements do not work at all according to the scientific literature, and the ones that do usually have very small effects. Supplements can help, but they will never be the key to major changes.

It is better to take a bare minimum approach to supplementation, especially to save your or your parents’ money. Focus on what actually makes a difference. Chances are you are not eating properly, not sleeping properly, and not having good habits. And I do not mean doing it right most of the time. I mean treating it like your life depends on it, almost religiously. Take it seriously enough that you feel like shit when you mess up. An obsessive approach to the basics of health and looks will take you further than any supplement ever could.

Obviously but HGH Will raise my prolactin like crazy if I were to do anything it would be cynomel and low dose dhea and progesterone. Supplements Will work very good for harder to get vitamin like d3