New psychiatrist didn't recommend anti-depressants.

[MoggerGaston]

@AlexAP

Had a long conversation with a new psychiatrist about my life today. Told her about all the drugs I am using, etc.

Luckily, unlike my general practitioner, she wasn't freaked out by my drugs-use. And didn't want to send me to rehab.
She was like: 'mmmh, okay. Sounds fine. Just don't do it too often cuz tolerances will screw you up.' She low-key looked hippie so I am sure she's using herself.

Anyways she told me that she wasn't gonna put me on any anti-depressants since my problems are from deep mental childhood trauma, and not the result of some 'chemical imbalance' in my brain etc. Her diagnosis was that I had a split of personalities in my childhood, where I lost my 'real self' and took on a different personality out of trauma, necessity, adhering to the standards of people around you, etc. Which in my case developed out of control into adulthood. I can agree with her on this diagnosis.
She didn't want to put me on anti-depressants because it would further numb my pain, further hide my 'real self', and it would thus be of no use. I would just be reliant on these anti-depressants to feel good without real progress on the inside. No different than my current situation where I use drugs/alcohol to numb that pain and feel good.

She recommended I should just keep using drugs from time to time for fun, but realize it's not a long-term solution.

For now she was looking for something like a 'life-coach' for me for the long-term. Long psycho-therapy sessions where you dig deep into your life and especially into my past, so that I can find who I really am and what I really like, before everything went to shit due to trauma.

Long time ago since I've had a positive feeling about therapy and could agree with the psychiatrist's opinions.
Mogs my old psychiatrists to oblivion.

 

[Deleted member 33275]

 

[Deleted member 21628]

lmao

nigga have a psych

 

[Deleted member 33275]

but yeah, contrary to the opinion of all-knowing internet schizos, it's not that uncommon for shrinks to have a negative opinion on automatically prescribing ssris and snris

mine also told me there's no point in relying on them since they won't really change or help me, so i m just picking up benzos and hypnotics monthly now (which are no different than drinking, really; even the mechanisms of action are almost identical)

obviously "everyone's different", but i don't know how mentally fragile one should be for ssris to actually reverse their baseline emotional state, they are pissweak

 

[MoggerGaston]

lmao

nigga have a psych

Means I am important.

Real niggas have their own chef, psychiatrist, therapist, yoga-teacher, masseuse, housekeeper, assistant, secretary, personal trainer and much more.

 

[Deleted member 21628]

Means I am important.

Real niggas have their own chef, psychiatrist, therapist, yoga-teacher, masseuse, housekeeper, assistant, secretary, personal trainer and much more.

a gf too

 

[Deleted member 31445]

nigga taking advice by a bluepilled psychiatrist

 

[MoggerGaston]

a gf too

the longer the list, the harder you mog

 

[apocalypse]

Her diagnosis was that I had a split of personalities in my childhood, where I lost my 'real self' and took on a different personality out of trauma, necessity, adhering to the standards of people around you, etc.

This happened to me as well
I used to be such a confident joyful little boy

 

[MoggerGaston]

nigga taking advice by a bluepilled psychiatrist

While the blackpill can be at the root of an issue. Looksmaxxing won't resolve your inner traumas and improve your mental health.

I don't claim to be good-looking, I am somewhat LTN-normie tier. But it's a big improvement from my subhuman truecel state from my childhood.

At this point I will get more benefit from mental ascension and getting over my past, than further looksmaxxing.

 

[MoggerGaston]

but yeah, contrary to the opinion of all-knowing internet schizos, it's not that uncommon for shrinks to have a negative opinion on automatically prescribing ssris and snris

mine also told me there's no point in relying on them since they won't really change or help me, so i m just picking up benzos and hypnotics monthly now (which are no different than drinking, really; even the mechanisms of action are almost identical)

obviously "everyone's different", but i don't know how mentally fragile one should be for ssris to actually reverse their baseline emotional state, they are pissweak

My past 2 shrinks were of that type. 'Try this new med, it doesn't work? stop and try another med. Keep going untill you've tried them all.' So it's common.

She also said that meds are no different than alcohol/drugs, or even other coping mechanisms like videogames, food, etc. They won't improve your situation, the real deeper issue you are having, just make you reliant on them to feel good.

I've tried escitalopram(lexapro) in high dosage before and it did absolutely nothing for me.
MDMA/Mephedrone mogs hard. Does much more for my mental state, just too bad it only works short-term.

 

[MoggerGaston]

This happened to me as well
I used to be such a confident joyful little boy

Exactly the same here. I was happy and adventurous as a kid, until my teenage years. I had no fear, no anxiety, I was my own self.

Then it all went to shit

 

[Deleted member 33275]

what's your official f diagnosis, if that's not too private

 

[MoggerGaston]

what's your official f diagnosis, if that's not too private

official f diagnosis?

I've had the diagnosis 'clinical depression/major depressive disorder'.

I've been tested for autism, which came out 'inconclusive due to the clinical depression possibly masking autism symptoms, but otherwise unlikely.'
Where the final recommendation was that I should get tested for autism again once I am no longer depressed I was like JFL so basically not gonna happen.

Also had a WAIS-IV IQ test done which came out at 128IQ

And I've had the diagnosis cPTSD (Complex/Continuous Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) for which I've had EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy without any effect.

 

[BasedPsychiatrist]

@AlexAP

Had a long conversation with a new psychiatrist about my life today. Told her about all the drugs I am using, etc.

Luckily, unlike my general practitioner, she wasn't freaked out by my drugs-use. And didn't want to send me to rehab.
She was like: 'mmmh, okay. Sounds fine. Just don't do it too often cuz tolerances will screw you up.' She low-key looked hippie so I am sure she's using herself.

Anyways she told me that she wasn't gonna put me on any anti-depressants since my problems are from deep mental childhood trauma, and not the result of some 'chemical imbalance' in my brain etc. Her diagnosis was that I had a split of personalities in my childhood, where I lost my 'real self' and took on a different personality out of trauma, necessity, adhering to the standards of people around you, etc. Which in my case developed out of control into adulthood. I can agree with her on this diagnosis.
She didn't want to put me on anti-depressants because it would further numb my pain, further hide my 'real self', and it would thus be of no use. I would just be reliant on these anti-depressants to feel good without real progress on the inside. No different than my current situation where I use drugs/alcohol to numb that pain and feel good.

She recommended I should just keep using drugs from time to time for fun, but realize it's not a long-term solution.

For now she was looking for something like a 'life-coach' for me for the long-term. Long psycho-therapy sessions where you dig deep into your life and especially into my past, so that I can find who I really am and what I really like, before everything went to shit due to trauma.

Long time ago since I've had a positive feeling about therapy and could agree with the psychiatrist's opinions.
Mogs my old psychiatrists to oblivion.

Based psychiatrist.

 

[AlexAP]

@AlexAP

Had a long conversation with a new psychiatrist about my life today. Told her about all the drugs I am using, etc.

Luckily, unlike my general practitioner, she wasn't freaked out by my drugs-use. And didn't want to send me to rehab.
She was like: 'mmmh, okay. Sounds fine. Just don't do it too often cuz tolerances will screw you up.' She low-key looked hippie so I am sure she's using herself.

Anyways she told me that she wasn't gonna put me on any anti-depressants since my problems are from deep mental childhood trauma, and not the result of some 'chemical imbalance' in my brain etc. Her diagnosis was that I had a split of personalities in my childhood, where I lost my 'real self' and took on a different personality out of trauma, necessity, adhering to the standards of people around you, etc. Which in my case developed out of control into adulthood. I can agree with her on this diagnosis.
She didn't want to put me on anti-depressants because it would further numb my pain, further hide my 'real self', and it would thus be of no use. I would just be reliant on these anti-depressants to feel good without real progress on the inside. No different than my current situation where I use drugs/alcohol to numb that pain and feel good.

She recommended I should just keep using drugs from time to time for fun, but realize it's not a long-term solution.

For now she was looking for something like a 'life-coach' for me for the long-term. Long psycho-therapy sessions where you dig deep into your life and especially into my past, so that I can find who I really am and what I really like, before everything went to shit due to trauma.

Long time ago since I've had a positive feeling about therapy and could agree with the psychiatrist's opinions.
Mogs my old psychiatrists to oblivion.

Holy shit what a mogger psychiatrist. Yeah I think drugs are not bad at all either as long as it's not addictive, and the real solution is finding ways to have self-worth and get over the trauma from your past.

 

[Primalsplit]

I'm really glad you're taking a turn for the better. Also, I think you look really really good in your avi. Very nice bone development.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Holy shit what a mogger psychiatrist. Yeah I think drugs are not bad at all either as long as it's not addictive, and the real solution is finding ways to have self-worth and get over the trauma from your past.

Those are all just coping mechanisms in the end. Your mental health is shit, so you resort to anti-depressants, alcohol, drugs, food, etc. to feel better.

That's fine, we all deserve to feel good. But we need to work on resolving those inner problems aswell.

 

[Primalsplit]

An important word though, therapy is like working out. If you don't have your nutrition on point, you won't go much further.

 

[MoggerGaston]

An important word though, therapy is like working out. If you don't have your nutrition on point, you won't go much further.

Yeah this is true, but most importantly you need to believe in the therapist/therapy you are getting.
Otherwise it's like learning how to sprint faster, when you are thinking about how you are supposed to swim.

In the end though these are just 1 hour talking sessions once per week, the real effort has to be done by yourself in the other 167 hours of the week.

 

[Deleted member 33275]

official f diagnosis?

I've had the diagnosis 'clinical depression/major depressive disorder'.

I've been tested for autism, which came out 'inconclusive due to the clinical depression possibly masking autism symptoms, but otherwise unlikely.'
Where the final recommendation was that I should get tested for autism again once I am no longer depressed I was like JFL so basically not gonna happen.

Also had a WAIS-IV IQ test done which came out at 128IQ

And I've had the diagnosis cPTSD (Complex/Continuous Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) for which I've had EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy without any effect.

mental health disorders are classified under f in those medical codes

seems like we went through the same process since i was also sent to a specialist for administering wais iv when i started going a couple of years ago

yeah, they add some sort of a general diagnosis to nearly everyone (depression, anxiety, GAD) who visits them, it's a requirement to get meds prescribed by bylaws of most countries

as easy as it is to get these lame diagnoses, getting labeled as an autist as an adult is really rare, yeah

 

[TUSSELEIF]

I think a lot of depressed people have trauma that can’t be fully cured. I got diagnosed with moderate depression recently and I’m getting evaluated for it, but I know my depression stems from trauma in teens and relating to experiences with people, not some chemical imbalance.

 

[Artbreeder Is Law]

im drugs free since 3 weeks hope i can keep it.

 

[MoggerGaston]

mental health disorders are classified under f in those medical codes

seems like we went through the same process since i was also sent to a specialist for administering wais iv when i started going a couple of years ago

yeah, they add some sort of a general diagnosis to nearly everyone (depression, anxiety, GAD) who visits them, it's a requirement to get meds prescribed by bylaws of most countries

as easy as it is to get these lame diagnoses, getting labeled as an autist as an adult is really rare, yeah

I've found the autism/IQ testing completely pointless.

'Oh so you have reasonably high IQ and probably don't have autism? okay. Well... I guess we will just keep on doing whatever we were doing before this knowledge.'

I feel like mental healthcare is extremely lackluster in general.

If you have a certain cancer, then the healthcare system in this country is completely fine with spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on your treatment. It's all worth it to give this 80yo cancer-patient another 3 years of life-quality. It costs 200k? That's fine.

But if you have trauma and suffer deeply mentally, then they are all like. 'Well, you can talk to someone about it once a week and hope that helps, and for the rest? We have no clue either.'

Meanwhile I've been stuck in this circus for 8 years now. 8 years ago, before I even found PSL/blackpill, I raised the alarms with the health-care system in this 1st world country about my mental health. And it's been completely worthless so far.

I have a different attitude towards it now. I don't consider healthcare to be of any quality, of much use anymore. It's not going to help you, it's not going to cure you.
I consider it a tool now, a potentially helpful tool in your mental health struggle.

In the end I am completely alone in my struggle, in overcoming my trauma and becoming a happy/content individual.
And therapy/mental health-care is just a tool that can aid in getting there. And I feel like maybe this time it could actually be useful instead of a waste of time/money.

 

[Foreverbrad]

Drugs and therapy might be the solution after you’re fully looksmaxxed.

I am entirely convinced that all my trauma came from looking subhuman until my beard grew in to hide my brutally recessed chin and jaws and I still act as that subhuman despite being MTN now. So I was bullied relentlessly as a kid and a teenager, my prime basically could not begin before 23-24yo so I missed out on so many years.

MTN still isn’t good enough for me though and I want to get bimax and implants to eliminate my facial recession and not feel like a fraud all the time and hopefully reach HTN level or even chadlite.

I worry that a therapist would try to dissuade me from that goal and convince me to accept my life as it is. I’ve tried taking some drugs and it does help me to feel more relaxed and less mogged, but in reality I am still mogged so I am not sure it is actually a good thing.

I wouldn’t mind being more accepting and at peace with my life but I don’t want to lose my drive to improve…

 

[MoggerGaston]

I think a lot of depressed people have trauma that can’t be fully cured.

I don't even know about any 'full curing'. At this point I am hoping for any relief whatsoever.

If I wan't to cope with my depression/trauma, I already know I can do that through drugs/alcohol at least temporarily.

I got diagnosed with moderate depression recently and I’m getting evaluated for it, but I know my depression stems from trauma in teens and relating to experiences with people, not some chemical imbalance.

Yes, there's a clear contrast between clinical/real depression, and that what 'normal' people consider depression. It isn't compareable.

normies can just take some anti-depressants and solve their issues from there, for us we need more.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Drugs and therapy might be the solution after you’re fully looksmaxxed.

I am entirely convinced that all my trauma came from looking subhuman until my beard grew in to hide my brutally recessed chin and jaws and I still act as that subhuman despite being MTN now. So I was bullied relentlessly as a kid and a teenager, my prime basically could not begin before 23-24yo so I missed out on so many years.

Very relatable. Only now that I am no longer subhuman but somewhat normal-looking. Do I feel like people 'accept' me.

And that I have a certain freedom to act how I truly want to act, follow my real feelings/emotions, and still be accepted socially.

But my 'real' personality is now hidden under layers of trauma and it's hard for me to be my real self and feel good at this point.

MTN still isn’t good enough for me though and I want to get bimax and implants to eliminate my facial recession and not feel like a fraud all the time and hopefully reach HTN level or even chadlite.

Self-Improvement is always good. There's nothing wrong with wanting to be better-looking, richer, etc.

But if you are somewhat like me, you are trying to do this to fill this mental health void. I think in that case, even if your surgeries turn out well and your looksmaxxing goes to plan, you will find that your mental health is still the same. You didn't achieve this happiness, this self-worth that you hoped you would get through these surgeries. It's doesn't work like that unfortunately.

I worry that a therapist would try to dissuade me from that goal and convince me to accept my life as it is.

The shrink I was at today even told me that 'many of these anti-depressants have weight-gain as a side-effect. I don't want them to interfere with your goals of becoming leaner and getting the look that you want.'

it depends on the shrink/therapist.

I’ve tried taking some drugs and it does help me to feel more relaxed and less mogged, but in reality I am still mogged so I am not sure it is actually a good thing.

Enjoy it in the short-term, but realize you need to work on yourself in the long-term.

I wouldn’t mind being more accepting and at peace with my life but I don’t want to lose my drive to improve…

Both of those can be combined.

Personally I've always found more energy to improve in positive feelings/ambition than in negativity.

 

[Throb The Builder]

The main problem with things such as ssri's is the fact that a lot of people take them, expecting them to be a cure when they aren't and then complain when their mental health is still not perfect, while neglecting to make lifestyle changes.
Medications are a tool that can help you get the ball rolling with your mental health, but that alone will not cure you.

 

[Deleted member 21716]

official f diagnosis?

I've had the diagnosis 'clinical depression/major depressive disorder'.

I've been tested for autism, which came out 'inconclusive due to the clinical depression possibly masking autism symptoms, but otherwise unlikely.'
Where the final recommendation was that I should get tested for autism again once I am no longer depressed I was like JFL so basically not gonna happen.

Also had a WAIS-IV IQ test done which came out at 128IQ

And I've had the diagnosis cPTSD (Complex/Continuous Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) for which I've had EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy without any effect.

why do you have ptsd?

 

[AlexAP]

Those are all just coping mechanisms in the end. Your mental health is shit, so you resort to anti-depressants, alcohol, drugs, food, etc. to feel better.

That's fine, we all deserve to feel good. But we need to work on resolving those inner problems aswell.

Yeah, I think your psychiatrist was right, a life coach would help more. I feel like I also have a problem with how I see my personality, like I hate my father's personality but deep inside I sometimes think he was right (being cold, never showing emotions to anyone, etc.) because he had success in life, and I should be like him. But I don't want to.

 

[MoggerGaston]

why do you have ptsd?

Abusive+controlling parents mostly, +bullying.

 

[MoggerGaston]

Yeah, I think your psychiatrist was right, a life coach would help more. I feel like I also have a problem with how I see my personality, like I hate my father's personality but deep inside I sometimes think he was right (being cold, never showing emotions to anyone, etc.) because he had success in life, and I should be like him. But I don't want to.

I guess you could also benefit from psychotherapy. But I am not too familiar with your entire history. Best to discuss it with a shrink honestly.

 

[AlexAP]

I guess you could also benefit from psychotherapy. But I am not too familiar with your entire history. Best to discuss it with a shrink honestly.

I'm going to a normal therapist now, I think it's different from psychotherapy though. I was recommended a psychotherapist, but last time he said to me he has a waiting list of 6 months.

 

[OCDisneyChad]

Wasting your money in this shit I can't imagine paying women just to talk to me. OVER

 

[norwegianfreak]

No therapy for blackpilled subhumans. Therapy might work on failed normies though

 

[MoggerGaston]

I'm going to a normal therapist now, I think it's different from psychotherapy though. I was recommended a psychotherapist, but last time he said to me he has a waiting list of 6 months.

There's usually a lot of psychotherapists, all with different waiting lists. I would advice to get on a waiting list ngl.

 

[AlexAP]

There's usually a lot of psychotherapists, all with different waiting lists. I would advice to get on a waiting list ngl.

Did you have good experiences with psychotherapy?

 

[MoggerGaston]

Did you have good experiences with psychotherapy?

So far no, but it depends a lot on the relationship you have with you therapist, how you vibe.

If you are not vibing that well with you current therapist, it's always good to try something new

 

[Deleted member 21716]

Abusive+controlling parents mostly, +bullying.

unfortunately I can relate to the first part especially regarding my mom. in my childhood she would often control most of the things I did and degrade me whenever she had the chance. the only thing that keeps me from cutting her off completely is the fact she make 800k a year and gives me 10k allowance every month.

 

[infini]

Was she more private/ expensive then the others you met? Also was she hot? What's this mogger avi everyone is on about?

 

[MoggerGaston]

Was she more private/ expensive then the others you met? Also was she hot? What's this mogger avi everyone is on about?

Idk, i only find out how much she costs later
She was much older