no one likes to discuss philosophy but me

[Deleted member 43881]

philosophy is hilarious in person but i’m the only person that understands what’s funny

like a few days ago i asked a foid to define good:

“everything that’s like me”
“so you dislike everything that’s not like you”
“yes”
“what about people that don’t look like you?”
“… no everything is good”
“then everything is neutral since it’s relative”
“yes”
“what about serial killers”
eventually she called me psychotic and insane

@Bomber517 @cromagnon

 

[Klasik616]

Most people who like philosophy are men obviously because women cannot be entertained by anything that's not world-related - superficial things that every normie cares about.

 

[abuserr007]

Woman just does not have the capacity to hold a good conversation

 

[grungymallard97]

philosophy is hilarious in person but i’m the only person that understands what’s funny

like a few days ago i asked a foid to define good:

“everything that’s like me”
“so you dislike everything that’s not like you”
“yes”
“what about people that don’t look like you?”
“… no everything is good”
“then everything is neutral since it’s relative”
“yes”
“what about serial killers”
eventually she called me psychotic and insane

@Bomber517 @cromagnon

I’m very philosophical

 

[Deleted member 43881]

I’m very philosophical

define good

 

[grungymallard97]

define good

how can you define something that doesn’t exist without the substance of something else eg evil. “Good ”is a concept

 

[Deleted member 43881]

how can you define something that doesn’t exist without the substance of something else eg evil. “Good ”is a concept

i want a definition nigger, what makes good things good

if you say good and bad doesn’t exist then why don’t you kill yourself? if your in a fight to the death is there good and bad things to do? is it not good to kill?

 

[ey88]

define good

Something that causes an increase in wellbeing

 

[grungymallard97]

i want a definition nigger, what makes good things good

if you say good and bad doesn’t exist then why don’t you kill yourself? if your in a fight to the death is there good and bad things to do? is it not good to kill?

What makes good things good is the outcome. a good thing leads to emotions like happiness etc. It’s not the act of doing something good that make it good it’s the outcome which is kinda paradoxical

 

[Deleted member 98180]

define good

boobs

 

[segmt]

philosophy is hilarious in person but i’m the only person that understands what’s funny

like a few days ago i asked a foid to define good:

“everything that’s like me”
“so you dislike everything that’s not like you”
“yes”
“what about people that don’t look like you?”
“… no everything is good”
“then everything is neutral since it’s relative”
“yes”
“what about serial killers”
eventually she called me psychotic and insane

@Bomber517 @cromagnon

yea if below htn/cl, this would mark u as nd (but depends on context)

if not then u would still somehow be considered nt

 

[Deleted member 43881]

Something that causes an increase in wellbeing

enjoyment is relative bc heroin users aren’t the happiest people on earth so this is impossible so isn’t good

What makes good things good is the outcome. a good thing leads to emotions like happiness etc.

what makes a good thing

 

[ey88]

enjoyment is relative bc heroin users aren’t the happiest people on earth

They are when they’re on heroin

 

[Deleted member 75987]

philosophy is hilarious in person but i’m the only person that understands what’s funny

like a few days ago i asked a foid to define good:

“everything that’s like me”
“so you dislike everything that’s not like you”
“yes”
“what about people that don’t look like you?”
“… no everything is good”
“then everything is neutral since it’s relative”
“yes”
“what about serial killers”
eventually she called me psychotic and insane

@Bomber517 @cromagnon

Normies refuse to think outside the capitalist society

 

[Klasik616]

What makes good things good is the outcome. a good thing leads to emotions like happiness etc. It’s not the act of doing something good that make it good it’s the outcome which is kinda paradoxical

Good is an order where all things function for their desired purpose / essence. When this order is corrupted we have bad things happening. Good/Bad are not objects, rather a possible instance of these objects like a rotten food = bad / withered flower = bad, the good has to be the exact opposite state of affairs.

 

[grungymallard97]

enjoyment is relative bc heroin users aren’t the happiest people on earth so this is impossible so isn’t good

what makes a good thing

U can keep saying the same question but what makes a good thing is the meaning the beholder has of the word good. That’s what makes it good.

 

[grungymallard97]

Good is an order where all things function for their desired purpose / essence. When this order is corrupted we have bad things happening. Good/Bad are not objects, rather a possible instance of these objects like a rotten food = bad / withered flower = bad, the good has to be the exact opposite state of affairs.

Rotten food isn’t strictly “bad” tho, compost? What makes it a good or bad is fit for purpose and outcome of action imo

 

[segmt]

enjoyment is relative bc heroin users aren’t the happiest people on earth so this is impossible so isn’t good

what makes a good thing

good in the conventional sense to most people would most likely mean something that results in mutual benefit, but its largely subjective

Something objectively good or bad (from what I think) does not exist, something being "good" itself carries a subjective connotation

 

[Deleted member 43881]

They are when they’re on heroin

so should i do heroin to increase my wellbeing since it’s good?

U can keep saying the same question but what makes a good thing is the meaning the beholder has of the word good. That’s what makes it good.

good in the conventional sense to most people would most likely mean something that results in mutual benefit, but its largely subjective

Something objectively good or bad (from what I think) does not exist, something being "good" itself carries a subjective connotation

so if two people fight to the death, is the person who says that death is good righteous even though the other objectively survives? Good is objective, because people that don’t follow truth are lose and are thus bad

 

[Klasik616]

Rotten food isn’t strictly “bad” tho, compost? What makes it a good or bad is fit for purpose and outcome of action imo

You think this way because you put yourself on the center of the definition of good and bad therefore anything that's good or bad is defined according to your needs, funny thing anyone who wants the opposite of your desires would qualify the exact same things in the reverse of what you said (relativism).

Ex: if you get this job it's good for you but bad for the previous person who applied to the job but if he gets it then it's bad for you.

In the case of the food, a rotten food (an apple) is getting destroyed by the climate and fungus. Then the apple is in a bad state because it's decomposing.

 

[n9wiff]

I don't read philosophy but I am top IQ and reasoning skill percentile

 

[grungymallard97]

so should i do heroin to increase my wellbeing since it’s good?


so if two people fight to the death, is the person who says that death is good righteous even though the other objectively survives? Good is objective, because people that don’t follow truth are lose and are thus bad

Saying good is objective is like saying good has no meaning tho. It’s a cop out. if it’s objective the beholder can manipulate “good” into anything

 

[Deleted member 43881]

You think this way because you put yourself on the center of the definition of good and bad therefore anything that's good or bad is defined according to your needs, funny thing anyone who wants the opposite of your desires would qualify the exact same things in the reverse of what you said (relativism). In the case of the food, a rotten food (an apple) is getting destroyed by the climate and fungus. Then the apple is in a bad state because it's decomposing.

relativism is good

for the people who fight to the death, there is no global morality, only relative

 

[grungymallard97]

You think this way because you put yourself on the center of the definition of good and bad therefore anything that's good or bad is defined according to your needs, funny thing anyone who wants the opposite of your desires would qualify the exact same things in the reverse of what you said (relativism).

Ex: if you get this job it's good for you but bad for the previous person who applied to the job and if he gets it then it's bad for you.

In the case of the food, a rotten food (an apple) is getting destroyed by the climate and fungus. Then the apple is in a bad state because it's decomposing.

yeah so nothing can be strictly good. if nothing can be strictly good. Good has no definitive meaning

 

[segmt]

so should i do heroin to increase my wellbeing since it’s good?


so if two people fight to the death, is the person who says that death is good righteous even though the other objectively survives? Good is objective, because people that don’t follow truth are lose and are thus bad

Righteousness wasn't even in the discussion

Again righteousness would be a subjective concept, whenever people are considered bad it is from another group of people
and whatever those people think subjectively have led them to believe that the bad person is in fact "bad"

Same for righteousness, someone surviving/dying is a fact, you can observe it with your eyes
Being good/bad is abstract, it's not something concrete and it isn't knowledge that can be found concretely through experience
Sure you can observe good/bad with your eyes but ultimately what makes the decision of good/bad comes subjectively from you

 

[Klasik616]

relativism is good

for the people who fight to the death, there is no global morality, only relative

Then why you fight lol

yeah so nothing can be strictly good. if nothing can be strictly good. Good has no definitive meaning

Because facts are not good or bad they are just facts. If we take the example of a good or bad driver, good or bad is defined by the ability to drive (is not morality). So "good" it's considered to be near perfection and "bad" to disorder or lack of something necessary.

 

[grungymallard97]

Then why you fight lol

Because facts are not good or bad they are just facts. If we take the example of a good or bad driver, good or bad is defined by the ability to drive (is not morality).

but we just discussed how good has no true meaning, like I said it’s a paradox, like how most philosophical questions turn out

 

[ey88]

enjoyment is relative bc heroin users aren’t the happiest people on earth so this is impossible so isn’t good

Because heroin decreased wellbeing when your off of it, sure it would feel good in the moment, but averaged out it decreases wellbeing, meaning it’s not good

 

[Deleted member 43881]

Saying good is objective is like saying good has no meaning tho. It’s a cop out. if it’s objective the beholder can manipulate “good” into anything

objective good comes from the truth, you find objective good through knowing the truth

if i don’t know that i can easily kill the other person in a fight to the death then i am bad for that. everyone acts in their own best interest.

Righteousness wasn't even in the discussion

Again righteousness would be a subjective concept, whenever people are considered bad it is from another group of people
and whatever those people think subjectively have led them to believe that the bad person is in fact "bad"

Same for righteousness, someone surviving/dying is a fact, you can observe it with your eyes
Being good/bad is abstract, it's not something concrete and it isn't knowledge that can be found concretely through experience
Sure you can observe good/bad with your eyes but ultimately what makes the decision of good/bad comes subjectively from you

Then why you fight lol

Because facts are not good or bad they are just facts. If we take the example of a good or bad driver, good or bad is defined by the ability to drive (is not morality). So "good" it's considered to be near perfection and "bad" to disorder or lack of something necessary.

righteousness is a synonym of good for me

everyone absolutely acts in their best interest. what is the point of good comes from what should good be used for. what would be the best function of morality?

morality is a tool to survive. good is what works. if an ant colony is in an ant war the colony that wins is good because it survives.

In nature, if you believe that something is good isn’t from the truth then you lose. If you believe something is good that isn’t then you die out.

 

[Klasik616]

but we just discussed how good has no true meaning, like I said it’s a paradox, like how most philosophical questions turn out

It happens when the sense of a concept always depend on other (like good/bad) turns out to be like a circle that's just turning around and coming back to the same question. In some sense good and bad are the same thing, they are a negativity (when I say something is good I reject everything else that is also a fact) both things exist at the same time. So we should rather discuss concepts that are not dualities.

 

[Alucard69]

I don't read philosophy but I am top IQ and reasoning skill percentile

Pretty much useless irl sadly

 

[grungymallard97]

It happens when the sense of a concept always depend on other (like good/bad) turns out to be like a circle that's just turning around and coming back to the same question. In some sense good and bad are the same thing, they are a negativity (when I say something is good I reject everything else that is also a fact) both things exist at the same time. So we should rather discuss concepts that are not dualities.

yeah I agree there is no answer to what is good or bad only what we believe in a situation, it’s never set in stond

 

[n9wiff]

Pretty much useless irl sadly

Allows me to live a NEET like lifestyle, jfl at this cope

 

[Deleted member 43881]

yeah I agree there is no answer to what is good or bad only what we believe in a situation, it’s never set in stond

good is objective

everyone absolutely acts in their best interest. what is the point of good comes from what should good be used for. what would be the best function of morality?

morality is a tool to survive. good is what works. if an ant colony is in an ant war the colony that wins is good because it survives.

In nature, if you believe that something is good isn’t from the truth then you lose. If you believe something is good that isn’t then you die out.

 

[Klasik616]

objective good comes from the truth, you find objective good through knowing the truth

if i don’t know that i can easily kill the other person in a fight to the death then i am bad for that. everyone acts in their own best interest.


righteousness is a synonym of good for me

everyone absolutely acts in their best interest. what is the point of good comes from what should good be used for. what would be the best function of morality?

morality is a tool to survive. good is what works. if an ant colony is in an ant war the colony that wins is good because it survives.

In nature, if you believe that something is good isn’t from the truth then you lose. If you believe something is good that isn’t then you die out.

Morality is a man made concept,
We haven't born with a system of beliefs.

We indeed live in an era full of laws and norms that might be unnecesary (like not saying someone's pronouns).

Back then killing would be accepted in some cases, even now people kill babies in the womb and it has become normal.

Our morality is primarily based on christianity and the roman law.

Also there's always a way for our brains to come out with an argument for something related to others (ethics) the differences are the principles people have.

Nowadays animals are considered to have rights. Without language the only ethics we would have are "animal ethics".

 

[Alucard69]

Allows me to live a NEET like lifestyle, jfl at this cope

It's still useless, even if you mean the financial aspect of it

 

[Occultcel]

I was going to respond to the thread you tagged me in with an elaborate occult/mystical/philisophical theory, but I got too lazy.

 

[grungymallard97]

good is objective

the answer to ur original question is good means nothing and everything. It’s a paradoxical question is the true philosophical answer

 

[n9wiff]

It's still useless, even if you mean the financial aspect of it

Define "useless", if my intelligence has gotten me much more opportunities than most people my age, how is it useless?

I don't need to worry about "finances" either my dad earns top percentile salary too and owns multiples properties that are being rented out.

 

[n9wiff]

I don't believe in "good" or "bad" but still use these words in language in its socially acceptable way. It's all relatives and our so called "moral values" were stamped into us at a young age.

Even as you grow older, no matter how "enlightened" and "self aware" you are, you will still have mental blocks to certain ingrained societal taboos etc.

 

[Deleted member 43881]

Morality is a man made concept,
We haven't born with a system of beliefs.
We indeed live in an era full of laws and norms that might be unnecesary (like not saying someone's pronouns).
Back then killing would be accepted in some cases (even now people kill babies in the womb) and it has become normal.
Our morality is primarily based on christianity and the roman law.
Also there's always a way for our brains to come out with an argument for something related to others (ethics) the differences are the principles people have.
Nowadays animals are considered to have rights.

law =/ morality
morality are the principles of good and bad

what is good is dictated by what works, not necessarily if it follows or doesn’t follow the law

my morality comes from what works relatively

the answer to ur original question is good means nothing and everything. It’s a paradoxical question is the true philosophical answer

what should you believe?

should you believe technical truth or what works?
technical truth would say to believe in nothing, your using the same arguments as redditors
to believe in what get you stuff works

if you believe in what works, good is objective

 

[grungymallard97]

law =/ morality
morality are the principles of good and bad

what is good is dictated by what works, not necessarily if it follows or doesn’t follow the law

my morality comes from what works relatively

what should you believe?

should you believe technical truth or what works?
technical truth would say to believe in nothing, your using the same arguments as redditors
to believe in what get you stuff works

if you believe in what works, good is objective

Philosophy relies on there not being a paradox so u cannot fully debate this point correctly

 

[Deleted member 43881]

Philosophy relies on there not being a paradox so u cannot fully debate this point correctly

my point is i don’t care about what doesn’t concern me, neither should you

if u didnt weigh this in then you wouldn’t succeed at all

so good is objective because what gives most benefit is objective

 

[Alucard69]

Define "useless", if my intelligence has gotten me much more opportunities than most people my age, how is it useless?

I don't need to worry about "finances" either my dad earns top percentile salary too and owns multiples properties that are being rented out.

You need to have the right experiences/environment in life to be able to direct intelligence towards something actually productive, otherwise it's useless. Most (even smart people) upbringing doesn't allow for it. And lots of the things you need to gain financial success or whatever have nothing to do with intelligence.

Also most relatively 'high IQ' people aren't even so smart from my experience.

 

[n9wiff]

You need to have the right experiences/environment in life to be able to direct intelligence towards something actually productive, otherwise it's useless. Most (even smart people) upbringing doesn't allow for it. And lots of the things you need to gain financial success or whatever have nothing to do with intelligence.

Also most relatively 'high IQ' people aren't even so smart from my experience.

I've probably had such an upbringing. It's probably genetics too since my Dad is extremely intelligent, even more so than me though I hate to admit it.

Also most relatively 'high IQ' people aren't even so smart from my experience.

The reason I say this with such confidence is because all of my life experiences have assured me that I am for the most part more intelligent than most people.

 

[Klasik616]

law =/ morality
morality are the principles of good and bad

what is good is dictated by what works, not necessarily if it follows or doesn’t follow the law

my morality comes from what works relatively

what should you believe?

should you believe technical truth or what works?
technical truth would say to believe in nothing, your using the same arguments as redditors
to believe in what get you stuff works

if you believe in what works, good is objective

Don't be naive, you weren't born with a way of thinking. Your parents teached you how to behave correctly and you decided on the march what's good or not based on your own reasoning and life experience.

Saying truth = good might sound convincing. I don't think it entirely depends on it tho. Saying the truth is a moral duty (to keep the world in order and maintain people trusting each other), when you lie you are actively commiting a bad action since you deciced to lie (is not the same as not knowing something).

For example If I told you it's 12:00 AM and my clock says otherwise it's bad. If my clock says 12:00 but my clock wasn't functioning well it's not. So for the second case it was false but not morally wrong.

 

[Deleted member 43881]

Don't be naive, you weren't born with a way of thinking. Your parents teached you how to behave correctly and you decided on the march what's good or not based on your own reasoning and life experience.

Saying truth = good might sound convincing. I don't think it entirely depends on it tho. Saying the truth is a moral duty (to keep the world in order and maintain people trusting each other), when you lie you are actively commiting a bad action since you deciced to lie (is not the same as not knowing something).

For example If I told you it's 12:00 AM and my clock says otherwise it's bad. If my clock says 12:00 but my clock wasn't functioning well it's not. So for the second case it was false but not morally wrong.

morality should be aligned with what works best to live best, no one has perfect morality since no person is god. people are born bad.

there is no good in maintaining peace, the reason good comes from truth is only because the truth tells you what’s the best option for you to profit

knowledge is the difference between people being good and bad because everyone only acts because they think it’s in their best interest. So the only reason they could make a bad choice is because they don’t know. a better alarm clock have a wrong time if not intended.

 

[AspiringMogger]

philosophy is hilarious in person but i’m the only person that understands what’s funny

like a few days ago i asked a foid to define good:

“everything that’s like me”
“so you dislike everything that’s not like you”
“yes”
“what about people that don’t look like you?”
“… no everything is good”
“then everything is neutral since it’s relative”
“yes”
“what about serial killers”
eventually she called me psychotic and insane

@Bomber517 @cromagnon

You sound so pretentious you non NT sperg

 

[Klasik616]

morality should be aligned with what works best to live best, no one has perfect morality since no person is god. people are born bad.

Doesn't make any sense, every single person has a different life. "What works best" becomes a personal decision, morality is based on the relationship between 2 or more people not just yourself. There isn't a "what works best" statement for everyone.

Also people aren't born bad or good lol, people aren't born with beliefs about morality, they get them from others.

there is no good in maintaining peace, the reason good comes from truth is only because the truth tells you what’s the best option for you to profit

Ok, I agree.

knowledge is the difference between people being good and bad because everyone only acts because they think it’s in their best interest. So the only reason they could make a bad choice is because they don’t know. a better alarm clock have a wrong time if not intended.

This is the Plato argument,
If everyone knew the truth they wouldn't do what's not guided by the "divine truth".
But people can lie in any given time or act irrationally guided by emotions. -Aristotle

I mean we all ignore things, so commiting bad choices is pretty normal and not bad for the human nature. Animals cannot commit bad choices because they cannot distinguish between what's truth or not.

 

[Alucard69]

I've probably had such an upbringing. It's probably genetics too since my Dad is extremely intelligent, even more so than me though I hate to admit it.


The reason I say this with such confidence is because all of my life experiences have assured me that I am for the most part more intelligent than most people.

Intelligence is really complex and multifactorial. Most people, even smart people to a point lack any critical thinking/awaraness.

I don't think it's heavily correlated with financial success, atleast not IQ or whatever definitions of intelligence exist