Nobody here understands what "outward gonions" are

[Deleted member 13710]

I've seen multiple threads about this and they are all full of misinformation.

Outward gonions are jaws that are turned out in the back, and the gonions are the widest part of the jaw. You can recognize outward gonions visually by a jawline where the entire length of the jawline, from the chin to the jaw angles on both sides, are visible from the front.

Some examples:



Inward gonions are jaws that are turned inwards at the very back. If you cannot see the full length of the jawline from the front (and the person you are looking at does not have high body fat), that person has inward gonions.

Some examples:

(This guy might have outward gonions hidden by body fat, but I don't think so.)

(This guy appears to have inward gonions on one side and slightly outward on the other.)

You see the phrase "round jaw" a lot here. Anatomically, there is no such thing as a round mandible. The appearance of roundness comes from a jaw that is not large enough/wide enough to project past/support the soft tissues. The round appearance comes from unsupported soft tissues, not bones.

What people got fixated on in previous threads is the appearance of super-angular/pointy gonions. That is not a fundamental aspect of jaw development, it is just one of those 0.5% traits that PSL guys get fixated on and think are essential.

This morph just represents a person with outward gonions being given abnormally pointy gonions. It does not represent the inward/outward gonion distinction.

 

[Orc]

if you have to make an active effort to figure out what you have your jaw isn't striking enough to be worrying about it in the first place.

 

[alriodai]

Thanks, there's a difference between sharp and pointy gonions and inward gonions

 

[Willmogulater]

 

[Deleted member 13710]

if you have to make an active effort to figure out what you have your jaw isn't striking enough to be worrying about it in the first place.

Yes, but if you have inward gonions but otherwise good features, I think it's a feature worth fixing that could make a big difference.

 

[Orc]

Yes, but if you have inward gonions but otherwise good features, I think it's a feature worth fixing that could make a big difference.

I meant that if you're staring at yourself in the mirror trying to figure out what you have chances are your jaw isn't good to begin with.

it's not always an issue, o'pry would look even more autistic if his jaw was wider.

 

[Deleted member 1901]

Basically don’t be giga recessed

 

[Reformed]

Bad examples I don’t understand what ur showing. The king of flared gonions is vinnie hacker and jordan powell

 

[Graham]

When I bite one side looks sharper / outward looking, but the other side is round.

 

[Reformed]

(This guy appears to have inward gonions on one side and slightly outward on the other.)

He doesn’t have outwards on neither side. YOU don’t know what outwards gonions are

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Bad examples I don’t understand what ur showing. The king of flared gonions is vinnie hacker and jordan powell

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Nobody cares about who the "king of flared gonions" is. Flared gonions =/= outward gonions. That's the point of the post. Flared gonions are just an unusual shape. You don't need flared gonions to have outward gonions.

 

[Reformed]

Nobody cares about who the "king of flared gonions" is. Flared gonions =/= outward gonions. That's the point of the post. Flared gonions are just an unusual shape. You don't need flared gonions to have outward gonions.

I meant to say outwards, it’s the same shit.

Most examples u posted have neutral gonions. If they don’t point outwards, they aren’t outwards. Simple

Also outwards gonions are usually wider that bizygo, so that’s an easy way to tell (if zygos aren’t recessed ofc)

 

[Deleted member 13710]

I meant to say outwards, it’s the same shit.

No, the inward/outward gonion distinction is a sign of healthy jaw development. "Flared" gonions are a PSL meme about the faces you think are most attractive. It's not the same thing at all. "Flared gonions" have no relevance to anything outside of the conversations on this forum.

Also outwards gonions are usually wider that bizygo, so that’s an easy way to tell (if zygos aren’t recessed ofc)

This is just a made up rule.

 

[TUSSELEIF]

This pic of Hexum gives a good idea on outward gonions

 

[Reformed]

This is just a made up rule.

Yeah I made it up from observed thousands of faces. It’s just an indicator, to make it easier to spot. Also u thinking flared/outwards gonions is just a psl meme is cope. It’s a masculine feature that gives an illusion of a big jaw

 

[Reformed]

This pic of Hexum gives a good idea on outward gonions
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Yup another good example, OPs pics are shit

 

[Deleted member 13710]

This pic of Hexum gives a good idea on outward gonions
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Do you understand what an "assertion" is?

Yeah I made it up from observed thousands of faces.

Correct, you just made it up. Thank you for conceding my point.

Also u thinking flared/outwards gonions is just a psl meme is cope.

Well obviously that's a strawman--you're equating "flared" and "outwards gonions" despite the fact that I have made multiple comments trying to distinguish the two. I said that flared gonions are a PSL meme, not that outward gonions are.

It's a "cope" to say it's a psl meme? Please, show me any non-PSL-related internet space where people are talking about this shit. Please show me the women who are talking about "flared gonions" or the jaw surgeons who talk about it as if it's a thing. It is 100% a PSL meme.

 

[Reformed]

Please show me the women who are talking about "flared gonions" or the jaw surgeons who talk about it as if it's a thing. It is 100% a PSL meme.

Most low iq comeback ever. That’s like saying people don’t talk about the maxilla all day, so it must be cope too

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Most low iq comeback ever. That’s like saying people don’t talk about the maxilla all day, so it must be cope too

Maxilla can be found in any medical, biology or anatomy text, dictionary or encyclopedia. It is a common word with an accepted definition used in countless places.

"Flared gonions" is none of those things.

 

[Looksmaxerfr13]

Flared gonions is BS IF you not born with.
Some guys got flared design and look shit IRL

Nice jaw is simple = the width of your chin bone should be the same of your gonial bone width.

 

[Looksmaxerfr13]

I've seen multiple threads about this and they are all full of misinformation.

Outward gonions are jaws that are turned out in the back, and the gonions are the widest part of the jaw. You can recognize outward gonions visually by a jawline where the entire length of the jawline, from the chin to the jaw angles on both sides, are visible from the front.

Some examples:

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Inward gonions are jaws that are turned inwards at the very back. If you cannot see the full length of the jawline from the front (and the person you are looking at does not have high body fat), that person has inward gonions.

Some examples:

View attachment 2253762 View attachment 2253770 View attachment 2253773 View attachment 2253783 View attachment 2253764 (This guy might have outward gonions hidden by body fat, but I don't think so.)

View attachment 2253767 (This guy appears to have inward gonions on one side and slightly outward on the other.)

You see the phrase "round jaw" a lot here. Anatomically, there is no such thing as a round mandible. The appearance of roundness comes from a jaw that is not large enough/wide enough to project past/support the soft tissues. The round appearance comes from unsupported soft tissues, not bones.

What people got fixated on in previous threads is the appearance of super-angular/pointy gonions. That is not a fundamental aspect of jaw development, it is just one of those 0.5% traits that PSL guys get fixated on and think are essential.

This morph just represents a person with outward gonions being given abnormally pointy gonions. It does not represent the inward/outward gonion distinction.

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So you say that gonial implant shape doesn't matter as long if it's wide enough ?

 

[Deleted member 19957]

When I bite one side looks sharper / outward looking, but the other side is round.
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Same, because my mandible literally grew sideways.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

So you say that gonial implant shape doesn't matter as long if it's wide enough ?

Implant design is a hard thing to get right. Generally implants that look flared in x-rays look better, but implants that look flared on an actual face (which requires a very extreme flare in the actual implant design) might look unnecessary or excessive on some faces.

 

[redmaxx]

Mf looks like he just killed a man, put a gun against his head, pulled his trigger now he’s dead

 

[Looksmaxerfr13]

Implant design is a hard thing to get right. Generally implants that look flared in x-rays look better, but implants that look flared on an actual face (which requires a very extreme flare in the actual implant design) might look unnecessary or excessive on some faces.

i think flared design is kinda a legend
There is not 1 single exemple here of flared gonions design before/after.
real surgery max keeps telling he's the only one in the world who can make the best design blabla, but never posted a before/after pics.
I saw botched flared angles, and also a guy with incredibly sharp implant, ending with round face after surgery..

IMO we complicate it way too much; Great Jaw = wide bigonial + low bf =that's it, no matter the shape

 

[Looksmaxerfr13]

Even elite models don't have sharp angle, manga style

 

[thecel]

Inward gonions can be turned into outward gonions with implants.

Eppley made a 25mm jaw implant !

Yes 25mm per side, 2,5cm !! a full inch !! How is that possible ?! he said that the patient they found it too big, wanted more like only 20mm How The fuck 25mm is possible ? he didn't had chewing problem only aesthetic issue...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Inward gonions can be turned into outward gonions with implants.

Eppley made a 25mm jaw implant !

Yes 25mm per side, 2,5cm !! a full inch !! How is that possible ?! he said that the patient they found it too big, wanted more like only 20mm How The fuck 25mm is possible ? he didn't had chewing problem only aesthetic issue...

looksmax.org

Yes. In fact, I think the only good jaw implant results are people who start off with inward gonions. (The one you posted is way too massive, though.)

 

[inwardgonionscel]

I meant that if you're staring at yourself in the mirror trying to figure out what you have chances are your jaw isn't good to begin with.

it's not always an issue, o'pry would look even more autistic if his jaw was wider.

I don't think he would, his round ass looking gonions are kinda terrible both from the front and the sides. Adding too much width and eversion however would makes him look autistic and uncanny yes

 

[Deleted member 13710]

I don't think he would, his round ass looking gonions are kinda terrible both from the front and the sides.

This comment is basically saying "his jaw looks terrible for not having 99.9th percentile hyper-angular bones." Classic out of touch PSL comment.

 

[Deleted member 32196]

Fixable with bimax + ramus widening?

 

[inwardgonionscel]

This comment is basically saying "his jaw looks terrible for not having 99.9th percentile hyper-angular bones." Classic out of touch PSL comment.

Nah he has rounder gonions than children

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Fixable with bimax + ramus widening?

Dont' know about that. Bimax + CCW could make your gonions more prominent-looking.

Nah he has rounder gonions than children

 

[inwardgonionscel]

Dont' know about that. Bimax + CCW could make your gonions more prominent-looking.

Cope he needs to inject Igf-1 into masseters and gonions area with chewing marathon to get bone deposit after that a small bimax with ramus widening

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Cope he needs to inject Igf-1 into masseters and gonions area with chewing marathon to get bone deposit after that a small bimax with ramus widening

This is just weird broscience shit. I wish you wouldn't pollute topics about real surgery with this kind of thing.

 

[autistic_tendencies]

Truecel term

 

[inwardgonionscel]

This is just weird broscience shit. I wish you wouldn't pollute topics about real surgery with this kind of thing.

I'm joking fucking pussy soaker

 

[based_pakichad421]

When I bite one side looks sharper / outward looking, but the other side is round.
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i have the same issue do u know the cause of this it would really help

 

[Graham]

i have the same issue do u know the cause of this it would really help

Not sure exactly. Maybe asymmetrical jaw development or uneven masseter insertions.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Not sure exactly. Maybe asymmetrical jaw development or uneven masseter insertions.

"uneven masseter insertions" is fiction, but he could have more muscle mass on one side.

 

[based_pakichad421]

Not sure exactly. Maybe asymmetrical jaw development or uneven masseter insertions.

i meant that are your gonions inward btw thanks for the insight it helped

 

[saggyballsackcel]

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This pic of Hexum gives a good idea on outward gonions
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You guys are confusing wide goinons with inward and outward. Hexum and the other guy both have inward. They point towards his chin. When you have a very wide lower third, inward goinons can look just as good as outerward ones. BELOW are examples of outward, they jutt out and don’t form the similar inner Diamond shape

Henry cavill has a tall ramus with a wide squared jaw. He actually has inward goinons but the width and “square ness” of his face make it look just as good as outward ones.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

You guys are confusing wide goinons with inward and outward. Hexum and the other guy both have inward. They point towards his chin. When you have a very wide lower third, inward goinons can look just as good as outerward ones. BELOW are examples of outward, they jutt out and don’t form the similar inner Diamond shape View attachment 3038735View attachment 3038736View attachment 3038737
Henry cavill has a tall ramus with a wide squared jaw. He actually has inward goinons but the width and “square ness” of his face make it look just as good as outward ones.

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You're just reiterating every stupid PSL idea about "inward gonions" that I've debunked in the OP. Shit post.

 

[F36]

You guys are confusing wide goinons with inward and outward. Hexum and the other guy both have inward. They point towards his chin. When you have a very wide lower third, inward goinons can look just as good as outerward ones. BELOW are examples of outward, they jutt out and don’t form the similar inner Diamond shape View attachment 3038735View attachment 3038736View attachment 3038737
Henry cavill has a tall ramus with a wide squared jaw. He actually has inward goinons but the width and “square ness” of his face make it look just as good as outward ones.

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Inward gonions in question

 

[Deleted member 13710]

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Inward gonions in question

It is legit ridiculous to call these "inward gonions". SMH at some of the people in this thread.

 

[saggyballsackcel]

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Inward gonions in question

They are inward. They are just wide. Look at the sale they go into his chin. They aren’t flared away from his cheekbones

 

[saggyballsackcel]

It is legit ridiculous to call these "inward gonions". SMH at some of the people in this thread.

Because the way it turns in, it’s the direction there pointing. They are turning into the chin, in line with the cheekbones. They aren’t flared. You’re talking about defined wide goinons vs narrow. Offer a good rebuttal.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

Because the way it turns in, it’s the direction there pointing. They are turning into the chin, in line with the cheekbones.

This isn't real. This is nonsense made up by people with no knowledge of anatomy.

They aren’t flared.

There is no anatomically distinct "flared gonions". That is just a made up concept used to describe a tiny minority of people with hyper-angular and wide mandibles. If you looked at x-rays of these people, they would just look like people with wide jaws and nothing else.

You’re talking about defined wide goinons vs narrow.

No I'm not. Reread the OP and try to actually understand it.

Offer a good rebuttal.

Imagine going to a thread that explains something, not understanding (or possibly not even reading) any of it, strawmanning my argument and then demanding that I "Offer a good rebuttal." Why don't you try reading the original post, you mouthbreathing retard?

 

[saggyballsackcel]

This isn't real. This is nonsense made up by people with no knowledge of anatomy.


There is no anatomically distinct "flared gonions". That is just a made up concept used to describe a tiny minority of people with hyper-angular and wide mandibles. If you looked at x-rays of these people, they would just look like people with wide jaws and nothing else.


No I'm not. Reread the OP and try to actually understand it.


Imagine going to a thread that explains something, not understanding (or possibly not even reading) any of it, strawmanning my argument and then demanding that I "Offer a good rebuttal." Why don't you try reading the original post, you mouthbreathing retard?

Bruttha my pig nose helps me nasal breath perfectly my maxillary and chin projection prob mogs this threads ty very much, that being said, yeah didn’t read much of your forum, skimmed it back and fourth a few times and I’ve came to conclusion that I don’t care tbh. Whatever you want to say, that there isn’t a scientific distinction or what not doesn’t matter, there’s a clear visual effect in place and therefore it matters in aesthetics.