Opposite sex HRT is superior to same-sex HRT as a mental health treatment. Opposite sex gender affirming care lowers the risk of suicidality by 73%

[Crusile]

In this prospective cohort of 104 TNB youths aged 13 to 20 years, receipt of gender-affirming care, including puberty blockers and gender-affirming hormones, was associated with 60% lower odds of moderate or severe depression and 73% lower odds of suicidality over a 12-month follow-up.

Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care

This cohort study investigates whether gender-affirming care is associated with decreased depression, anxiety, and suicidality among transgender and nonbinary youths.

jamanetwork.com

and this reduction in suicide/depression theoretically applies to everyone. If mentally ill people are in the wrong state of mind and the most effective and impactful (on your SOM) long term drug is opposite sex hormones, then it should be used on severely mentally ill people. "what if you don't have gender dysphoria". Auto-gynaphilia/auto-androphilia always leads to gender dysphoria, most gender dysphoric were autophilic and then became gender dysphoric. All straight males "can become" autogynphelic, because they are attracted to women. https://looksmax.org/threads/theory-all-men-have-autogynephilia.686523/post-10868584

TRT fails to show mental health benefits in males. A severally mentally ill man is probably mentally ill because of his testosterone, he doesnt need more-

 

[Crusile]

"I think mental illness means distressing about a problem. arent you creating more problems to mentally distress over?" No, severally mentally ill means your mental illness is capped out, there is no risk

 

[Graham]

My dysphoria is caused by balding.

 

[Deleted member 14693]

Cause they had gender dysphoria retard.

For people who don't have that, taking the opposite hrt is bullshit.

Would rope if my dick shrank

 

[thecel]

TRT fails to show mental health benefits in males.

Source?

 

[thecel]

Cause they had gender dysphoria retard.

For people who don't have that, taking the opposite hrt is bullshit.

Would rope if my dick shrank

I wanna see OP’s source for the conclusions at the end of his post:

TRT fails to show mental health benefits in males. A severally mentally ill man is probably mentally ill because of his testosterone, he doesnt need more-

 

[thecel]

, most gender dysphoric were autophilic and then became gender dysphoric.

Hmm? I thot most gender dysphoria is early-onset / childhood-onset.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

you can easily ignore "gender dysphoria"

 

[Deleted member 19957]

If a 3/10 told me not to rope i'd just do it quicker

 

[thecel]

you can easily ignore "gender dysphoria"

pls disambiguate

 

[Deleted member 13787]

pls disambiguate

between what

 

[thecel]

between what

Whether you mean ignoring gender dysphoria as a factor in the study, or you mean trans people ignoring their own gender dysphoria.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Whether you mean ignoring gender dysphoria as a factor in the study, or you mean trans people ignoring their own gender dysphoria.

their own

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Hmm? I thot most gender dysphoria is early-onset / childhood-onset.

AGP can be childhood onset too

 

[thecel]

you can easily ignore "gender dysphoria"

their own

Why do you think so? Sounds a lot like a Chad fallacy. “You can easily ignore inceldom. Just don’t focus on sex bro.”

I’m always in the trans form. Gender dysphoria affects almost every part of every day.

 

[thecel]

AGP can be childhood onset too

Is this a theory that says it’s subconsciously sexual even though they haven’t felt sexual attraction yet?

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Why do you think so? Sounds a lot like a Chad fallacy. “You can easily ignore inceldom. Just don’t focus on sex bro.”

Would be "chad fallacy" if i wasnt way too masc/ogre. It's the opposite. AGP/GD is huge mentalceldom, just dont think about it

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Is this a theory that says it’s subconsciously sexual even though they haven’t felt sexual attraction yet?

Yes and also you can feel sexual attraction in early childhood. Like i did at 3/4 y/o

 

[thecel]

Would be "chad fallacy" if i wasnt way too masc/ogre. It's the opposite. AGP/GD is huge mentalceldom, just dont think about it

You can ignore AGP but you can’t ignore GD (whether caused by AGP or not).

 

[Deleted member 13787]

You can ignore AGP but you can’t ignore GD (whether caused by AGP or not).

yes you can, if you have constant GD youre a retarded coomer who's constantly obsessed with his paraphilia. Or youve developed feelings towards the female version of yourself and you cant "break up"

 

[thecel]

yes you can, if you have constant GD youre a retarded coomer who's constantly obsessed with his paraphilia. Or youve developed feelings towards the female version of yourself and you cant "break up"

massive copes

 

[Deleted member 13787]

massive copes

Keep thinking about how dysphoric you are 24/7, im sure it'll go away that way!

 

[thecel]

Keep thinking about how dysphoric you are 24/7, im sure it'll go away that way!

But dysphoria doesn’t go away regardless! JFL at your IQ. Transition reduces dysohoria.

@Eriot Lodger @andy9432 @femcelthot

 

[Deleted member 13787]

But dysphoria doesn’t go away regardless! JFL at your IQ. Transition reduces dysohoria.

@Eriot Lodger @andy9432 @femcelthot

It can go away if youre not a stubborn retard. You can quite literally wish it away

 

[thecel]

It can go away if youre not a stubborn retard. You cant quite literally wish it away

What about people who struggle with GD for decades and transition later in life (50+)? Stubborn retards? They tried their best to “grow out of” the GD or wait for it to go away, and it didn’t. I suppose they just needed to stop being stubborn retards.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

What about people who struggle with GD for decades and transition later in life (50+)? Stubborn retards? They tried their best to “grow out of” the GD or wait for it to go away, and it didn’t. I suppose they just needed to stop being stubborn retards.

They didnt try hard enough or it didnt affect them constantly or always. They really do need to stop being stubborn retards tho lol

 

[thecel]

They didnt try hard enough or it didnt affect them constantly or always. They really do need to stop being stubborn retards tho lol

Funny that you say “they didn’t try hard enough.” Isn’t “trying harder” more stubbornn?

If you think about it, they stubbornly tried to live as their gender assigned at birth. It’s not that they stubbornly tried to go the trans route.

And no matter what they do you can find a reason to deem their thoughts/actions stubborn.

Gender-dysphoric MtF joins the Marines 10 years before transitioning: stubbornly clinged onto a masculine identity.

Gender-dysphoric MtF desires to become female from a young age, and the urge persists to adulthood: stubbornly clinged onto a feminine identity.

Copes copes copes.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Yeah well if you think about it, they stubbornly tried to live as their gender assigned at birth.

Nope.

It’s not that they stubbornly tried to go the trans route.

Wrong.

Gender-dysphoric MtF joins the Marines 10 years before transitioning: stubbornly clinged onto a masculine identity.

And it either works and his AGP resurfaces later (retard thinks it's now set in stone and he cant ignore it once again), or he is, like i said, a stubborn retard and doesnt cling onto anything in reality.

Gender-dysphoric MtF desires to become female from a young age, and the urge persists to adulthood: stubbornly clinged onto a feminine identity.

Most likely doesn't persist, goes away or was never really present in the first place, resurfaces again

 

[thecel]

Nope.



Wrong.



And it either works and his AGP resurfaces later (retard thinks it's now set in stone and he cant ignore it once again), or he is, like i said, a stubborn retard and doesnt cling onto anything in reality.



Most likely doesn't persist, goes away or was never really present in the first place, resurfaces again

The shit theories you manage to pull out your ass

 

[Deleted member 13787]

holy shit. Presenting as a male in public and jerking off to agp fantasies every night is not "trying to live as gender assigned at birth", its called being a coomer

 

[Deleted member 13787]

The shit theories you manage to pull out your ass

The shit youre saying is way more retarded. These people who you claim had gender dysphoria always are rarely a real thing. Theyre coping with the fact that they felt perfectly fine living as a guy for most of their lives. Its just that something set off their agp at some point and now suddenly "oh totally trans! female brain in a male's body" until they realize that the normie idea of being "trans" includes having been dysphoric always, constantly (not a real thing)

 

[thecel]

holy shit. Presenting as a male in public and jerking off to agp fantasies every night is not "trying to live as gender assigned at birth", its called being a coomer

What about the majority of them who don’t consume copious amounts of porn of any genre let alone AGP porn?

Presenting as male in public and also trying to behave as masculinely as possible seems like a strong effort to me. If it doesn’t work, what’s the alternative? Inb4 “just ignore it” source: just trust me bro.

 

[thecel]

Theyre coping with the fact that they felt perfectly fine living as a guy for most of their lives

yet they haven’t???

 

[Deleted member 13787]

What about the majority of them who don’t consume copious amounts of porn of any genre let alone AGP porn?

Who said anything about porn? Porn is not a requirement to be a coomer, especially if you have great visual intelligence. You can imagine yourself as a woman that way - something not possible in porn.

resenting as male in public and also trying to behave as masculinely as possible seems like a strong effort to me. If it doesn’t work what’s the alternative? Inb4 “just ignore it” source: just trust me bro.

Until you realize that you don't have to try to do that, and most trannies are putting a concentrated effort into not acting/looking like males.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

yet they haven’t???

They have.

 

[thecel]

They have.

source: just trust me bro!!!

 

[Deleted member 13787]

just trust me bro!!!

And i should just trust you that these people who didn't show any signs of GD early on always had it, just cause muh they said so?

 

[thecel]

Who said anything about porn? Porn is not a requirement to be a coomer, especially if you have great visual intelligence. You can imagine yourself as a woman that way - something not possible in porn.

True and good point. I didn’t think of this, for I consume pornography in high volumes.

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Until you realize that you don't have to try to do that, and most trannies are putting a concentrated effort into not acting/looking like males.

Everything takes effort. For trans women, presenting female takes less effort in the long run than presenting male takes. The only time the effort presenting female is higher is at the beginning of the transition.

 

[thecel]

And i should just trust you that these people who didn't show any signs of GD early on always had it, just cause muh they said so?

Yes. If no one has any absolute proof, the side that has experienced more of (or closer to) the thing being debated shall take precedence.

E.g. Bob, a sub-5, claims he got laid on Tinder. Joe calls bullshit because no sub-5 gets laid on Tinder. Bob shows Joe he has a few Tinder matches. Joe has 0 matches. Bob’s claim, as opposed to Joe’s claim, should be deemed the truth. Because he at least has Tinder matches, so what he has is closer to his claim than what Joe has. Though of course there’s no 100% certain proof here.

E.g. Sam, a blind person, says that blind people have better senses of smell. Bill, who can see, disagrees. The “truth designation” should go to Sam’s claim because, although we can’t trust him with 100% confidence, at least he actually is blind, while Bill is not.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Everything takes effort. For trans women, presenting female takes less effort in the long run than presenting male takes. The only time the effort presenting female is higher is at the beginning of the transition.

You said:

Presenting as male in public and also trying to behave as masculinely as possible seems like a strong effort to me. If it doesn’t work, what’s the alternative?

I said:

you don't have to try to do that, and most trannies are putting a concentrated effort into not acting/looking like males.

Which would imply that you dont have years of presenting as female already. We're talking about pre transition people and how they can wish the GD away. My entire point is that they are not trying, but giving into the AGP constantly and wondering why the GD isnt going away. They dont know that AGP is a real thing and media tells them that GD = female brain, meant to transition 100%. They "try" ignoring it, yet it doesnt work because theyre still giving in to the AGP and/or are romantically attracted to their female self.

The brutal truth is that in order to eliminate GD you need to ban yourself from ever having AGP thoughts ever again and you need to go through a brutal "break up" with the idealized female version of yourself which you keep thinking about and how if you transition they can be "her".

 

[ripcordgod1]

no way this nigga not trolling has from Israel on his profile

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Yes. If no one has any absolute proof, the side that has experienced more of (or closer to) the thing being debated shall take precedence.

Oh cool, so i should take precedence here, right? Because everything i've described has happened that exact way, to a T.

E.g. Bob, a sub-5, claims he got laid on Tinder. Joe calls bullshit because no sub-5 gets laid on Tinder. Bob shows Joe he has a few Tinder matches. Joe has 0 matches. Bob’s claim, as opposed to Joe’s claim, should be deemed the truth. Because he at least has Tinder matches, so what he has is closer to his claim than what Joe has. Though of course there’s no 100% certain proof here.

No... getting a few matches can easily be deemed as insufficient proof, thus Joe is still more likely to be correct.

E.g. Sam, a blind person, says that blind people have better senses of smell. Bill, who can see, disagrees. The “truth designation” should go to Sam’s claim because, although we can’t trust him with 100% confidence, at least he actually is blind, while Bill is not.

It's not as simple as youre presenting it to be. Now imagine Sam failing to notice certain odors repeatedly, or showing no signs of being better at it, at all. Bill is definitely more correct here.

 

[thecel]

You said:


I said:


Which would imply that you dont have years of presenting as female already. We're talking about pre transition people and how they can wish the GD away. My entire point is that they are not trying, but giving into the AGP constantly and wondering why the GD isnt going away. They dont know that AGP is a real thing and media tells them that GD = female brain, meant to transition 100%. They "try" ignoring it, yet it doesnt work because theyre still giving in to the AGP and/or are romantically attracted to their female self.

The brutal truth is that in order to eliminate GD you need to ban yourself from ever having AGP thoughts ever again and you need to go through a brutal "break up" with the idealized female version of yourself which you keep thinking about and how if you transition they can be "her".

Can you provide some examples of non-AGP GD thoughts/feelings, or do you think it’s nothing but AGP?

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Can you provide some examples of non-AGP GD thoughts/feelings, or do you think it’s nothing but AGP?

I'd say agp isnt just sexual but also possibly romantic, so GD can feel like someone you love drifting away (when you're not passing, for example). But it's all rooted in AGP and your desire to reach the looks threshold of what you consider to be a prototypical female. And obviously you're going to be adversed to your masculine features, just logically, as you want to look female, after all.

 

[thecel]

Oh cool, so i should take precedence here, right? Because everything i've described has happened that exact way, to a T.

The claim you’re making isn’t about YOUR GD; it’s about many other people’s GDs. Their anecdotes take precedence because they’re the ones who experienced THEIR GDs.

If you say “my gender dysphoria worked [X] way” your claim takes precedence because you experienced your own GD. No one knows how it felt better than you do. If you say “Coomerina’s GD worked [X] way” arguing against Coomerina, her claims take precedence because it’s her GD not yours. She has more experience.

You claimed that millions of people’s GD works in a particular way, contrary to what they say. Your claim doesn’t take precedence because you didn’t experience THEIR GDs, you can only experience your own.

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It's not as simple as youre presenting it to be. Now imagine Sam failing to notice certain odors repeatedly, or showing no signs of being better at it, at all. Bill is definitely more correct here.

Correct. All I was saying is that Sam’s claim takes precedence when there’s no other evidence besides what the 2 people are claiming is the case. If there’s stronger evidence than what the people blabber out their assholes, the stronger evidence (such as observations of Sam’s behavior) should of course be taken into consideration.

 

[Deleted member 13787]

The claim you’re making isn’t about YOUR GD; it’s about many other people’s GDs. Their anecdotes take precedence because they’re the ones who experienced THEIR GDs.

If you say “my gender dysphoria worked [X] way” your claim takes precedence because you experienced your own GD. No one knows how it felt better than you do. If you say “Coomerina’s GD worked [X] way” arguing against Coomerina, her claims take precedence because it’s her GD not yours. She has more experience.

You claimed that millions of people’s GD works in a particular way, contrary to what they say. Your claim doesn’t take precedence because you didn’t experience THEIR GDs, you can only experience your own.

I can make judgements about other people's experiences and what i realistically think they experienced or didn't. I can notice a common denominator between people who claim to have a different experience from me, and that dominator being crucial in whether you come to realize that your experience is actually like mine, and not what you erroneously claimed previously. I can notice that what people claim they experienced might not reflect reality, as i've thought that i experienced the same things, when i really didn't - again common denominator being the missing piece, which when accounted for, made me come to the right conclusions.

The trans movement is a giant herd of people sleepwalking into oblivion.

 

[Deleted member 13710]

 

[Crusile]

Cause they had gender dysphoria retard.

For people who don't have that, taking the opposite hrt is bullshit.

Would rope if my dick shrank

I addressed this. you can become gender dysphoric by becoming autogynephilic.

I can make judgements about other people's experiences and what i realistically think they experienced or didn't. I can notice a common denominator between people who claim to have a different experience from me, and that dominator being crucial in whether you come to realize that your experience is actually like mine, and not what you erroneously claimed previously. I can notice that what people claim they experienced might not reflect reality, as i've thought that i experienced the same things, when i really didn't - again common denominator being the missing piece, which when accounted for, made me come to the right conclusions.

The trans movement is a giant herd of people sleepwalking into oblivion.

Autogynaphilia is a sexual orientation

"Autoheterosexual is straight, turned inside out"


If your current gender expression doesn't align with your sexual identity, it's acceptable and expected to be gender dysphoric. AGPs shouldnt be shouldnt be ashamed of it.

You said:


I said:


Which would imply that you dont have years of presenting as female already. We're talking about pre transition people and how they can wish the GD away. My entire point is that they are not trying, but giving into the AGP constantly and wondering why the GD isnt going away. They dont know that AGP is a real thing and media tells them that GD = female brain, meant to transition 100%. They "try" ignoring it, yet it doesnt work because theyre still giving in to the AGP and/or are romantically attracted to their female self.

The brutal truth is that in order to eliminate GD you need to ban yourself from ever having AGP thoughts ever again and you need to go through a brutal "break up" with the idealized female version of yourself which you keep thinking about and how if you transition they can be "her".

Transitioning cures gender dysphoria in auto heterosexuals, though. They achieve the most significant drug induced state of mind change (opposite sex hormones) and they transform heir gender expression to match their gender and sexual identify

Source?

males already produces testosterone

 

[Deleted member 13787]

Autogynaphilia is a sexual orientation

I've never seen a case where a male is exclusively AGP, they are still like normal heterosexuals when it comes to attraction to other individuals.

If your current gender expression doesn't align with your sexual identity, it's acceptable and expected to be gender dysphoric. AGPs shouldnt be shouldnt be ashamed of it.

Not really. If you take into account what i said above, you can keep on dating other women and not explore that part of your sexuality. It's like a fully bisexual person being depressed because he doesnt have the ability to have sex with men - he can just stick to women, and would have no reason to be depressed.

Transitioning cures gender dysphoria in auto heterosexuals, though. They achieve the most significant drug induced state of mind change (opposite sex hormones) and they transform heir gender expression to match their gender and sexual identify

Probably doesnt always work, especially if the guy is a fucking ogre. An ogre on hrt doesnt quite satisfy his own AGP i think.

 

[thecel]

and not explore that part of your sexuality. It's like a fully bisexual person being depressed because he doesnt have the ability to have sex with men - he can just stick to women, and would have no reason to be depressed.

utterly wrong