Over when you realise

[Mess]

The only thing that exists is in the physical plane. Your mind is really just your myriad of neurones sparking away, influenced by hormones, past experiences and genetics. The whole idea of spirituality and religion is just something to put your mind at ease, that there is something bigger than you. Truth is, there really isn't any Gods or spirits out there.

 

[JasGews69x]

The only thing that exists is in the physical plane. Your mind is really just your myriad of neurones sparking away, influenced by hormones, past experiences and genetics. The whole idea of spirituality and religion is just something to put your mind at ease, that there is something bigger than you

Proof?

Truth is, there really isn't any Gods or spirits out there

So the Universe came from nothing?

 

[Mess]

Proof?

Think about it. Every memory that you retain is stored by new formations of connecting neurones. Every emotion you feel is driven by hormones. Love is powered by oxytocin, hate is driven by adrenaline and fear is controlled in your amygdala. The effect that you feel from religion is nothing more than the placebo effect. Everything is physical.

So the Universe came from nothing?

It could have. Every scenario is as likely as eachother. Say that the universe was created by pure chance, that it came out of nowhere. Would that singularity be God? There are so many things that we don't understand, but one day we will (INB4 God of the gaps). Religion, at the end of the day, is just glorified philosophy and philosophy is logic driven by emotion and past experiences. Emotion is a physical response.

 

[JasGews69x]

hink about it. Every memory that you retain is stored by new formations of connecting neurones. Every emotion you feel is driven by hormones. Love is powered by oxytocin, hate is driven by adrenaline and fear is controlled in your amygdala. The effect that you feel from religion is nothing more than the placebo effect. Everything is physical.

You destroyed yourself and dont even realise it
When someone claims “everything is physical”, they’re making a nonphysical and philosophical statement. A statement about the nature of reality as a whole, not a statement that can itself be measured or be seen physically. The claim can’t be verified by the empirical tools you worship and deluded yourself into believing.

Jfl

It could have.

So the Universe could have come from the absence of everything?
Bruh

Say that the universe was created by pure chance, that it came out of nowhere. Would that singularity be God?

No because its not eternal. It has a beginning therefore a cause

Anyway, 'chance' is not a thing that can do anything.
Its just ignorance of the factors that caused it.
E.g flipping a coin, if you knew all the factors that went into it such as wind resistance,strength of the flip etc you could get the same side every single time.

There are so many things that we don't understand, but one day we will (INB4 God of the gaps).

How do you know that?
Can you prove this claim physically?

Learning how something works doesnt negate a creator jfl
its like saying a phone wasnt made in a factory because you know it has a battery and know how the battery works.

Religion, at the end of the day, is just glorified philosophy and philosophy is logic driven by emotion and past experiences.

Cope
Logic is not driven by emotion
The law of non-contradiction (A cannot be both A and not-A at the same time in the same way) holds true whether you’re triggered , happy, or sad.
Emotions may affect whether id someone cares to reason properly, but they cant change what makes an argument valid or not.
@PrinceLuenLeoncur

Emotion is a physical response.

Ok but we were talking about whether everything is physical or not.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You destroyed yourself and dont even realise it
When someone claims “everything is physical”, they’re making a nonphysical and philosophical statement. A statement about the nature of reality as a whole, not a statement that can itself be measured or be seen physically. The claim can’t be verified by the empirical tools you worship and deluded yourself into believing.

Jfl

So the Universe could have come from the absence of everything?
Bruh

No because its not eternal. It has a beginning therefore a cause

Anyway, 'chance' is not a thing that can do anything.
Its just ignorance of the factors that caused it.
E.g flipping a coin, if you knew all the factors that went into it such as wind resistance,strength of the flip etc you could get the same side every single time.

How do you know that?
Can you prove this claim physically?

Learning how something works doesnt negate a creator jfl
its like saying a phone wasnt made in a factory because you know it has a battery and know how the battery works.

Cope
Logic is not driven by emotion
The law of non-contradiction (A cannot be both A and not-A at the same time in the same way) holds true whether you’re triggered , happy, or sad.
Emotions may affect whether id someone cares to reason properly, but they cant change what makes an argument valid or not.
@PrinceLuenLeoncur


Ok but we were talking about whether everything is physical or not.

I ain’t gonna try convince a cumskin of gods existence

Fuck em let them go hell and burn

 

[kaydd]

The only thing that exists is in the physical plane. Your mind is really just your myriad of neurones sparking away, influenced by hormones, past experiences and genetics. The whole idea of spirituality and religion is just something to put your mind at ease, that there is something bigger than you. Truth is, there really isn't any Gods or spirits out there.

I dont understand how human thinks they have to have a idea of god, do they really think their ego is bigger than the vast size of the universe?

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

The only thing that exists is in the physical plane. Your mind is really just your myriad of neurones sparking away, influenced by hormones, past experiences and genetics. The whole idea of spirituality and religion is just something to put your mind at ease, that there is something bigger than you. Truth is, there really isn't any Gods or spirits out there.

high iq, agreed

 

[Mess]

When someone claims “everything is physical”, they’re making a nonphysical and philosophical statement. A statement about the nature of reality as a whole, not a statement that can itself be measured or be seen physically. The claim can’t be verified by the empirical tools you worship and deluded yourself into believing.

So just because you don't have a conceivable method of measuring something's existence completely disqualifies it? Sounds a lot like an athiest's attack on theologists. That is a philosophical stance. Just because it's unmeasureable, doesn't mean it's unreal (which, I admit, also validates theology).

So the Universe could have come from the absence of everything?

I don't see how the only other option is a divine creator. God must have a beginning (according to logic), but religion counters that by saying that God has always existed, omnipotent and such. According to faith, he exists outside of human logic. But we don't have any actual proof of that, only faith and scripture.

No because its not eternal. It has a beginning therefore a cause. Anyway, 'chance' is not a thing that can do anything.

Its just ignorance of the factors that caused it.
E.g flipping a coin, if you knew all the factors that went into it such as wind resistance,strength of the flip etc you could get the same side every single time.

Good point. Take the big bang theory, for example. There has been evidence for it (CMBR, galatic redshift, etc). The big bang must have had a cause. I can't give you a cause, because we don't understand it yet. We can't envision and explain a time before due to the lack of knowledge regarding quantum physics. It would be better to debate metaphysics when there are more substantial scientific advancements.

I'm not going to debate your other points. Not out of ignorance, they're solid points. It's just getting too late for me.

I ain’t gonna try convince a cumskin of gods existence

Fuck em let them go hell and burn

I've recieved the eucharist, I've been brought up as a catholic. I really want to believe. But at this moment, I just can't. I'm not sure if it's just a teenage phase, where you rebel against your faith. I hope to find it again one day.

 

[kaydd]

So just because you don't have a conceivable method of measuring something's existence completely disqualifies it? Sounds a lot like an athiest's attack on theologists. That is a philosophical stance. Just because it's unmeasureable, doesn't mean it's unreal (which, I admit, also validates theology).

So just because you don't have a conceivable method of measuring something's existence completely disqualifies it? Sounds a lot like an athiest's attack on theologists. That is a philosophical stance. Just because it's unmeasureable, doesn't mean it's unreal (which, I admit, also validates theology).

Claiming its “unmeasurable” means they are not taking any stance on it, why do you take that as a way to deny?

 

[pfl]

Jfl at the religion copers in this thread

 

[Mess]

Claiming its “unmeasurable” means they are not taking any stance on it, why do you take that as a way to deny?

The claim can’t be verified by the empirical tools you worship and deluded yourself into believing.

 

[Eno]

why is it over when u realize this?

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

The only thing that exists is in the physical plane. Your mind is really just your myriad of neurones sparking away, influenced by hormones, past experiences and genetics. The whole idea of spirituality and religion is just something to put your mind at ease, that there is something bigger than you. Truth is, there really isn't any Gods or spirits out there.

 

[kaydd]

i apologize if im too retarded to understand, are you refuting me?

 

[Mess]

why is it over when u realize this?

Some people’s morality is largely shaped by religion, or more so the idea of getting punished in the afterlife. I’m saying that it really all doesn’t matter.

 

[Mess]

i apologize if im too retarded to understand, are you refuting me?

No, I was just providing context to my previous rebuttal.

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

 

[Mess]

Hi

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

Hi

im sad

 

[shessonice]

Truth is, there really isn't any Gods out there.

Perhaps, but I think there is. I find it unlikely for the amount of stuff that has come from the universe to be purely a game of chance. Even through randomness, the spontaneity of it all seems unlikely to it have been purely random. A Boltzmann brain is much more likely to exist purely out of chance rather than the universe.

Whether there's a god that cares about human existence is a different story.

 

[Nodesbitch]

The only thing that exists is in the physical plane. Your mind is really just your myriad of neurones sparking away, influenced by hormones, past experiences and genetics. The whole idea of spirituality and religion is just something to put your mind at ease, that there is something bigger than you. Truth is, there really isn't any Gods or spirits out there.

Yep

 

[Mess]

im sad

What's up, bud?

Perhaps, but I think there is. I find it unlikely for the amount of stuff that has come from the universe to be purely a game of chance. Even through randomness, the spontaneity of it all seems unlikely to it have been purely random. A Boltzmann brain is much more likely to exist purely out of chance rather than the universe.

It's so interesting to read about everything, but so sad to lose your faith. I'd like to view myself as agnostic currently, but even that is seemingly hard right now.

Whether there's a god that cares about human existence is a different story.

Deism is interesting to read into. A creator who doesn't intervene with his universe.

 

[JasGews69x]

So just because you don't have a conceivable method of measuring something's existence completely disqualifies it? Sounds a lot like an athiest's attack on theologists. That is a philosophical stance. Just because it's unmeasureable, doesn't mean it's unreal (which, I admit, also validates theology).

Bruh...you cooked yourself again Did you read your response?
You said 'everything is physical' at the beginning. You are using non physical statements to say everything is physical.
Yeah you now agree with me that everything is not needed to be measurable and 'physical' which was the topic of this thread.

Yeah its a philosophical stance which is not physical.

I don't see how the only other option is a divine creator.

It is. Only something with power,knowledge and Intent is at the end of All.
Other options would include:
-The Universe came from nothing - which is impossible since there is nothing to come out of.
-The Universe created itself - which is a contradiction since there would be no need to create yourself if you already exist
-The Universe is Eternal - but you believe in the big bang which started 13.8 billion years ago
-It was caused by something external to itself

God must have a beginning (according to logic), but religion counters that by saying that God has always existed, omnipotent and such.

Which logic?
Yeah being Eternal is the only option.
Something needs to be Eternal or else nothing would exist.

The big bang must have had a cause. I can't give you a cause, because we don't understand it yet. We can't envision and explain a time before due to the lack of knowledge regarding quantum physics. It would be better to debate metaphysics when there are more substantial scientific advancements.

Since you admit there must have been a cause.
Ill tell which type of cause is required to Create a Universe:
- Extreme power to bring everything into existence(every atom,star,energy etc)
- Extreme knowledge on how to create complex laws, planets etc
- Choice since it chose to make it (it could have chosen not to create)
- Not bound by time like we are/Eternal.

What do people call this?

Learning how it works with more information would still make it fall under the same categories that i mentioned earlier.

I'm not going to debate your other points. Not out of ignorance, they're solid points. It's just getting too late for me.

Ahh...

 

[shessonice]

but so sad to lose your faith.

I'm open to the idea of critiquing religion, as it is good for thought and reasoning.

But I try to live my life through Christ. Regardless if it's true or not, there's thousands of years of wisdom in the book. I myself am not even entirely convinced at times. However, the teachings are still valuable ways to lead your life.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

So just because you don't have a conceivable method of measuring something's existence completely disqualifies it? Sounds a lot like an athiest's attack on theologists. That is a philosophical stance. Just because it's unmeasureable, doesn't mean it's unreal (which, I admit, also validates theology).


I don't see how the only other option is a divine creator. God must have a beginning (according to logic), but religion counters that by saying that God has always existed, omnipotent and such. According to faith, he exists outside of human logic. But we don't have any actual proof of that, only faith and scripture.


Good point. Take the big bang theory, for example. There has been evidence for it (CMBR, galatic redshift, etc). The big bang must have had a cause. I can't give you a cause, because we don't understand it yet. We can't envision and explain a time before due to the lack of knowledge regarding quantum physics. It would be better to debate metaphysics when there are more substantial scientific advancements.

I'm not going to debate your other points. Not out of ignorance, they're solid points. It's just getting too late for me.


I've recieved the eucharist, I've been brought up as a catholic. I really want to believe. But at this moment, I just can't. I'm not sure if it's just a teenage phase, where you rebel against your faith. I hope to find it again one day.

Well he’s a Roman Catholic…..

Yeah he should leave that and become orthodox @Mess lesve that gay European demonic GAY cult or Protestantism and Catholicism

Only holy orthodoxy is the truth. I’ll never defend western Christianity and I’m not obligated to do so tbh. And I won’t yeah I WONT DO IT. That’s on you my nigga. I only defend orthodoxy

 

[Eno]

Some people’s morality is largely shaped by religion, or more so the idea of getting punished in the afterlife. I’m saying that it really all doesn’t matter.

It’s just water nigger