Overhead press for mid delts, thoughts

[irrumator praetor]

Clearly the best movement for the mid delts is the lateral raise (hypertrophy stimulus) or so chatgpt says lol

But idk what are your thoughts

 

[thebigdon]

Clearly the best movement for the mid delts is the lateral raise (hypertrophy stimulus) or so chatgpt says lol

But idk what are your thoughts

Let raise heavy shoulder press preferably machine and reverse pec deck is the best movements to hit all heads of the delt

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Raises are okay I suppose but nothing beats the good old overhead press. Though I don't like the barbell version and prefer using dumbbells, seated of course. Reverse pec deck is too specific and I rarely do the exercise.

 

[birthdefect]

Clearly the best movement for the mid delts is the lateral raise (hypertrophy stimulus) or so chatgpt says lol

But idk what are your thoughts

ohp is a good movement for mid delts, especially cus you can overload it way more than basically any other mid delt exercise
upright rows are good as well

 

[combatingNorwooding]

Clearly the best movement for the mid delts is the lateral raise (hypertrophy stimulus) or so chatgpt says lol

But idk what are your thoughts

Just do both

 

[combatingNorwooding]

Raises are okay I suppose but nothing beats the good old overhead press. Though I don't like the barbell version and prefer using dumbbells, seated of course. Reverse pec deck is too specific and I rarely do the exercise.

Wdym lateral raises are “okay”

It’s objectively the best exercise for the side delts.

It literally does the exact joint action (shoulder abduction) of the side delts

 

[irrumator praetor]

Let raise heavy shoulder press preferably machine and reverse pec deck is the best movements to hit all heads of the delt

Raises are okay I suppose but nothing beats the good old overhead press. Though I don't like the barbell version and prefer using dumbbells, seated of course. Reverse pec deck is too specific and I rarely do the exercise.

ohp is a good movement for mid delts, especially cus you can overload it way more than basically any other mid delt exercise
upright rows are good as well

Just do both

So you guys would argue to have OHP in the split even though front delt MAV is kinda but not fully hit by chest pressing, because of the potential for weight loading hence progression, as opposed to just doing isolations for the mid delts

Sort of like mixing bench press with flies or peck deck

I suppose that's sound, thanks guys

for some reason chatgpt loves the bench press when its about the chest, but despises OHP when its about the delts.

 

[birthdefect]

So you guys would argue to have OHP in the split even though front delt MAV is kinda but not fully hit by chest pressing, because of the potential for weight loading hence progression, as opposed to just doing isolations for the mid delts

Sort of like mixing bench press with flies or peck deck

I suppose that's sound, thanks guys

for some reason chatgpt loves the bench press when its about the chest, but despises OHP when its about the delts.

it despises ohp because ohp is extremely shit on
from a shoulder health perspective ohp is literally irreplaceable because of upward scapular rotation, not even high inclines will fully replace that unless you change your tilt mid lift
hell ohp and dips alone are enough for all the pushing muscles except the long head of the tricep but i doubt you're gonna do that
ohp does have fairly strong mid delt activation, just take a wider grip, if you're brave maybe even go behind the neck
upright rows will work as well but afaik they dont get that upward rotation ohp does
if you're gonna do upright rows do it with a wider grip

 

[irrumator praetor]

long head of the tricep but i doubt you're gonna do that

y not

its just a few sets of overhead extensions

long head is most important for the size

upright rows will work as well but afaik they dont get that upward rotation ohp does
if you're gonna do upright rows do it with a wider grip

heard thats bad for shoulder health, can't progress it that much either cuz you'll tip over lol

 

[birthdefect]

y not

its just a few sets of overhead extensions

long head is most important for the size

heard thats bad for shoulder health, can't progress it that much either cuz you'll tip over lol

no i mean i doubt you were gonna do dips and ohp only, overhead extensions are mandatory
upright rows arent bad for shoulder health, do it with a wider grip and it feels great
and the tipping over thing doesnt even make sense, you could argue the same for curls

 

[combatingNorwooding]

do it with a wider grip and it feels great

The grip width doesn’t matter as long as you are flexing the shoulder

 

[combatingNorwooding]

heard thats bad for shoulder health, can't progress it that much either cuz you'll tip over lol

Keep that as simple as possible.
The front delt is a shoulder flexor through this entire range and will get solid work through any resisted motion following this path for the humerus (yes, even when the upper chest is heavily involved). OH press is perfect for that but it won’t be enough for side delta even tho it will hit it pretty hard but not sufficiently.

For side dels just do shoulder abduction so any lateral raises variation.

I didn’t really understand your question btw, like did you ask what would be the best for the side delt? And if shoulder press is enough ?

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Wdym lateral raises are “okay”

It’s objectively the best exercise for the side delts.

It literally does the exact joint action (shoulder abduction) of the side delts

I did not make myself clear enough ; lateral raises do just that, they work the sides. Meanwhile OHP is a comprehensive variation that works all of your delts. It's the best when you don't have too much imbalance between front/mid/back delts but that's just me.

 

[irrumator praetor]

Keep that as simple as possible.
The front delt is a shoulder flexor through this entire range and will get solid work through any resisted motion following this path for the humerus (yes, even when the upper chest is heavily involved). OH press is perfect for that but it won’t be enough for side delta even tho it will hit it pretty hard but not sufficiently.

For side dels just do shoulder abduction so any lateral raises variation.

I didn’t really understand your question btw, like did you ask what would be the best for the side delt? And if shoulder press is enough ?

i asked about opinions on the OHP cuz Im NGL Im trying to deltmaxx and saw david laid workouts and hes heavy on the front delts (although hes on roids obviously) I just wondered, to get popping delts I suppose I'd need an exercise thats easy to overload and involves the mid delt at least a bit, in addition to the isolations

 

[birthdefect]

The grip width doesn’t matter as long as you are flexing the shoulder

for upright rows?
it feels better on your joints when the elbows are in line with the shoulders and traps rather than being right next to each other